Zakk_Sabbath
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3 minutes ago, Log said:
Yeah, but (I think you’ll agree with me on this) it’s not a big reach to assume that other people did know about it even if we don’t know who specifically.
I'm not meaning to step on Gregg's toes or speak for him here at all, but I would say the idea is less whether anyone knew or didn't, but more the idea that speculating on who they are would be fruitless at best, and harmful at worst. If I have that wrong @Greggulatorl please correct me immediately
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1 minute ago, Greggulator said:
Look — We all know it’s a gross company. But keep in mind that what came out is a complaint. There is a lot of really damning stuff in there about Vince and Laurinaitis. But assuming you know the identity of anyone else who may have known is a really big reach.
Well said, and this is the kind of thing I was also trying to caution against yesterday. It's not happening here, but I've seen some "Employee #4 is X and here's why"-type posts elsewhere, and it's just the absolute weirdest discourse possible to me. Again, I don't wanna sound like a high horse guy, but holy shit man, I did NOT expect folks to be, in essence, "fantasy booking" what happened in that office. Things like that, and the absolutely insane (no other word for it) "Let's wait for the facts" crowd, have been making me wildly uncomfortable the last ~48 hours.
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Yikes. Anecdotally, I've been getting a lot of memes and that kinda thing sent to me from non/lapsed fan friends who are in the mode we all talked about on the earlier pages of the thread with regard to the general public ("Ah, there goes those scuzzy-ass wrestlers doing scuzzy-ass things again"). Most of it's just been tasteless shock humor about the exact aspects you'd think they'd be about, but some of it has had a little bit of that sort of Epstein or Trump-like "comeuppance" tonality to it, so I felt a little higher on my high horse chuckling at those in particular. But yeah, overall, most of the attempted "humor" out there on this has only made me feel even worse for the victim(s) which I didn't think was even possible. Glass half-fulling it, I guess this is a sign I've grown up at least a slight bit since lurking the sleaze thread as a teenager, as I'm sure a couple of us have.
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2 hours ago, AxB said:
They said "WWE Superstar who is also a UFC Champion" and she really wanted to make sure everyone knew it was Brock and not her.
Nm went entirely over my head
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7 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
IIRC, Hudson was a lot like Riccaboni, where the shoot job commitments eventually outweigh the wrestling gigs, at least as a full time thing.
Yeah, totally understandable and I don't fault either guy for it. Like Riccaboni, its just a bummer cause I like hearing them call shows on a 'selfish' level- but I completely get it.
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1 hour ago, zendragon said:
Scott Hudson was an under rated announcer, too bad TNA didn’t pick him up. Him being the lead in a three man booth with Tenay and west could have worked
I'll second this, I always really, really enjoyed Hudson in the booth (particularly on the weekend shows) and in many ways, I think he suffered from being put in a series of impossible situations from '99-'01:
1) having to follow Schiavone - obviously there's plenty to be critical of Tony about when it comes to late era WCW, but he was (and is again!) the guy we all grew up with. So with that, Hudson started on Nitro behind the 8 ball to a degree from just a "who's the new guy?" perspective alone
2) Being put in a similar position as the aforementioned Schiavone in having to sell a lot of awful bullshit with a straight face. This was also made 1000x worse by his having to sit next to dickhead Mark Madden doing his "How do you do, fellow kids?" routine, making Jay & Silent Bob references in a fucking Hawaiian shirt and sunglasses.
3) His WWF 'Invasion'-era tryout with Arn on color was the Buff/Booker match from Tacoma in July, and we all know what happened there. Shit match, apathetic crowd, and while Arn's obviously an all-time promo, color wasn't his strong suit; he just really didn't give Hudson a lot to work with at all, so Hudson defaulted to a 'play by play' mode which, while I obviously think it's rad, its also historically the polar opposite of what WWF/E has wanted out of its lead announcers ('We tell stories!') So I think that was that.
FWIW I saw an interview with him years and years ago and he said he's pretty happy and making good money doing some kind of forensic crime lab shit (Possibly for the FBI? I may be misremembering that last detail).
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47 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
Was that already in the plans or did they pull him?
Honestly can't tell. From what I gather, there was a Wrestling Inc. article posted around noon that people ran with on socials saying that Brock was scheduled for it, and the PWInsider article was refuting that by stating he isn't there currently, and doesn't appear to be traveling there at the moment.
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PW Insider reporting no Brock at the Rumble, for anyone interested in that
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2 hours ago, Infinit said:
Always had a soft spot for this FoF vs Sting & Luger match. Flair was hilarious on commentary too lol
I can't see the link either but I'm 99% certain I remember this match for some insane verbal Luger selling in the corner at one point, even by his standards - GAH AH GOD OUGHHH
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13 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said:
Danielson vs the unblemished AEW record of Shaq
Save this for a few months to get some sweet March Madness cross-promotion. First Daily's show of spring, an ambulance pulls up to ringside, the doors burst open...
16 hours ago, Octopus said:Friends, what are your 5 favorite potential Danielson random as heck Dream Matches?
1) Angelico
2) Double J
3) Kommander
4) Matt Sydal (I don't think I got to post about this in time the other week before the TV thread closed but I really, really enjoyed that Jericho match on Rampage)
5) An oddball pick: depending on what he's looking like over at TNA (I've only seen a promo so far) it might be interesting to see a match with Nic Nemeth where "the governor is off" so to speak.
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24 minutes ago, piranesi said:
These are the same people stamping a signature on denied insurance claims and putting them on the pile.
You may notice I've been SMASHING the trophy emote a lot on your (and others') more 'corporation-unfriendly' posts over the course of this thread the last day or so; ill give you three guesses what my day job is.
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48 minutes ago, JLowe said:
Wonder if it’s just a case of Rosa still shaking off ring rust and testing what she feels comfortable with.
Had that thought as well. Without a house show circuit, I think it would behoove AEW to start using ROH for those de-facto, pre-TV, "shake the rust" matches. Not to be a jerk, but so few people probably watch anyway, that I don't think it would diminish any eventual return to AEW TV. Plus, if they're still taping ROH before the main shows, you have the added benefit of being able to advertise Rosa or whoever else to the local audience to bolster attendance
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41 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
Sonny Onno is available
I completely unironically now want a 2023 Sonny run where he's angry at not getting credit for inventing the selfie, and his new charge takes it out on the world.
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Just now, Technico Support said:
Morrissey has entered the chat
Haha first of all I love you for this, and secondly, I kinda realized how dumb it was once I typed it but it was the best example I could think of that wasn't some weird, parasocial-adjacent thing that essentially boiled down to "I think this person I've never met has decent morals because they seem like a nice guy in interviews."
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1 minute ago, Log said:
This made me realize that I was confused about some of this. Is this most recent news (the horrible details that came out yesterday) the same incident that he was ousted for last year (or whenever that was)?
If so, while it already looked bad that they let him back in before, now it REALLY looks bad.
Yup. I thought this was new at first too, but it's the same victim going after him because the NDA is essentially unenforceable - they touch on this in the suit itself, but what she signed is so broad she wouldn't even be able to ever say she worked there
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Just now, Godfrey said:
Don't get me wrong, I know this and have no expectations of TKO or Endeavour rising to the occasion unless it's the fiscally responsible thing for them to do. I mean more that with HHH taking over and the clearing out of top WWE officials that the culture actually will change. But I'm not holding my breath and if we get a whiff of Brock on TV again I'll be gone again
I had this thought too, but if what we have read about H/Steph leading the investigation on this is true, then again, my hopes are not super high. I'm probably not even giving em my $80 for the game this year.
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15 minutes ago, jaedmc said:
I'd give anything for someone to just stand up and walk out.
I get what you're saying, but my conflict with this is that this wasn't really a surprise. I don't think he was good at hiding any of it. I'm not interested in hunting people down and saying "what did you know?", but in this specific case, it's clear people knew. And I'm more hurt that it took this long for some it all to come around.
This wasn't one abuser, this was a team effort. People supported him in doing it. So I don't fault people for wondering how bad the systemic rot is.
You actually caught me while I was in the middle of making an edit so I'm gonna just cancel it and reply it here: I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask of anyone in the office, given the content of the suit, and a perfectly reasonable question to ask of anyone in the 'former UFC star's' circle, but I'm hesitant to go down that road with anyone else until more comes out for the reason mentioned - ill use an example from a prior page: Bryan Danielson praises Vince at a presser, thanks him for teaching him so much about the business, has proximity to the situation via marriage; I find it hard to believe that a guy too nice to eat animals would be complicit in this type of behavior. But again, what's complicit? @piranesihad some excellent points on this yesterday. Hearing a whisper and not following up, is not the same as hearing a detailed description, is not the same as witnessing with your own eyes, or outright participating in the crime. Idk, it's complicated - my point is, it's just very difficult with so many varying degrees of complicitness possible to say "X guy had to know."
Edit: and I should add, maybe it's wishful thinking! I don't watch WWE anymore, but I get the idea of tainted memories and things like that - I keep hearing "B__ BL___ C___" in the WHATAMANEUVER voice in my head, too - if it turns out every single WWE employee/contractor knows, I'll gladly, gladly eat every word of this post, I just want to give a slight bit of grace to people who needed the job, or weighed working for this guy against their lifelong dream, or whatever the case may be
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Just now, Godfrey said:
I think a lot of people, myself included, are hoping the regime change at WWE is more than just symbolic
I know it's been discussed ad nauseum now (I'm late to all this) but with some of Dana White's public behavior, and some of the things WME has allegedly been complicit with in Hollywood, I very seriously doubt it. That statement yesterday really gave off the vibe of "We weren't here, not our problem."
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10 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
...and yet Punk is back (and Jade is there too probably -- at least for now). I don't get it.
I had similar thoughts, especially on Mr. Adult In The Room. I wonder what Target's policies on gang rape are?
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"Who knew what" is kind of a shitty game to play here because the thing about these kinds of abusers is that they're really good at hiding things and endearing themselves to non-would-be-victims specifically so it seems like a crazy idea that they would be capable of such crimes.
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52 minutes ago, Just Dave said:
I've always thought a good alternative to having an off-season would be a rotating 9 month on, three month off schedule. It's staggered, so you aren't missing all your main eventers at once. Idk how realistic it would be, but I think it would be worth a shot.
24 minutes ago, Godfrey said:I've thought about this too. You can't do injury angles every time someone has booked time off though, maybe just be up front about wrestlers having a "season" and then a mandatory break to heal up
(But then what do you do when you want someone there year-round? 3 months of commentary? idk)
Exactly - it's not a terrible idea in theory, but I also think it would lead to a lot of repititiousness and folks' characters treading water, maybe even moreso than if they had to write people off with an angle every time.
If anything, handle it like the "brand split" era of Collision: no hard/fast rules, just a sort of internal guideline/suggestion
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45 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
I appreciate Deonna to no end for using the words "title shot" and "belt." Motherfucking Samoa Joe said "opportunity" at least three times and that sucked.
Ha I caught that too, as well as two mentions of "AEW Superstars" - my man is in desperate need of deprogramming
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27 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:
So there's two ways to look at it:
1) It's a sports-based presentation, in which case you're discussing whether it's okay for a sport to discuss an injury to one of the competitors, and if you're that worried about Twitter geeks calling in the government on you, do what the NHL does and go with "upper body injury"/"lower body injury" or whatever.
2) It's a TV show, and I can't imagine the Reddit for Chicago Med wonders about HIPAA violations for the patients on that show. I mean, they could, but Reddit is a sewer so who takes any of that seriously.
I also, quite frankly, don't need to think about HIPAA with pro wrestling because when has anyone ever cared about that with a sport.
No argument from me on any of that, especially the last point - I really *only* brought it up to say that I bet it's something boring no one gives a shit about, as opposed to some juicy cover-up or whatever that the overzealous/highly imaginative may run with
12 minutes ago, Godfrey said:To Tecnico's point about rankings and titles, they could have wrestlers with good standings declare themselves as a challenger for a specific title and only then enter the top 5 ranking for that title. That gives some looseness to most of the card but wins and losses would be concrete for title contenders
This is another great idea, and is more or less in line with my thoughts on it being a "best of both worlds" situation - the rankings should only add possibilities to the booking, instead of stifling them. The looseness you mention is exactly the kind of thing I think is most necessary here - spitting out random names here, but you never wanna be in a situation where the crowd is clamoring for say Fenix vs Kingston for the ROH/CC title, but you either miss it or it takes too long to get to because Fenix is only #7 of the top 10 or something
Edit: Also want to shout @Go2SleepI could get down on all of that.
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11 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:
HIPAA rights just means a diagnosis is protected health information. If you decide you want to disclose your own diagnosis, and then your employer does so - like most sports teams do - that's your choice, but it cannot be disclosed without your permission.
Also, AEW is a TV show. If they want to say someone's injured, I doubt the federal government's gonna bust in the door and say "nuh uh!"
Right exactly, that's more or less what I was getting at - questioning whether there's any red tape with the PHI being released by the 'employer' as opposed to the 'provider' (or further, if there's any kind of blurred line there with using an AEW doctor for the initial encounter, or something)
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