NoFistsJustFlips

I didn't ignore it. I disregarded it. That's not meant to disregard you. But my experience doesn't reflect that. I have seen a lot of AEW moments pop up in my You Tube feed very quickly. I'm talking Dynamite segments and recaps less than an hour after the show ends. The Mike Tyson stuff was up quick as hell. But maybe you're right and it's only like the 10% of stuff I am seeing in my feed vs the 90% that doesn't make it up in a timely manor? I AM ALSO ONLY REPLYING TO SOMEONE AND NOT COMMENTING ON A SHOW WHICH IS AIRING CURRENTLY

Unless you are an e commerce site, who the fuck uses actual webpages anymore? All online social engagement is through Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, & You Tube. What could possibly be on an AEW website that isn't covered by one of the socials? Does anyone actually visit the WWE webpage for... anything? AEW's merch is run through a subsidiary of PWTs. Their video content goes onto You Tube. They have a separate ticket website for events. What is even the purpose of an AEW website? Either I am the old man yelling at clouds, or you are. I can't tell yet, lol.

They branded TBS as the comedy network for a long time. They tried a bunch of scripted comedy shows that all failed. They were mainly showing Big Bang Theory reruns until prime time. TNT has always had basketball and was marketed as the drama network. So more prestige than just being a comedy channel. But to me, even with the branding, they're essentially the same. It's really just the difference between drama movies, NBA, & Snowpiercer vs comedy movies, Big Bang Theory, & The Misery Index.

TK did a You Tube podcast with Bischoff and Conrad awhile back to hype up an AEW PPV. He said it was all his idea. He could be spinning it, but he seemed genuine. Said it was an homage to tv titles but with a spin to really push the TNT partnership. Then he kinda seemed like he was begging for validation from Bischoff by asking his opinion of it. So I'm thinking 100% a TK idea. Good in theory, but not practical in execution.

Lots of weirdness here. Their first renewal was already 8 figures. $43 million. So is that saying they got 8 figures MORE for this, or just using clever wording to rehash what we already know? I made the TBS title joke but I think this move demonstrates, while an okay idea in theory, no wrestling promotions should be naming titles after tv networks. Not a single wrestling show around has stayed on a the same channel. Best to change the TNT title to a proper TV title, or some similarly minded name. So if I'm reading correctly... Dynamite & Rampage are both on TNT this year. Once 2022 hits BOTH move to TBS, correct? And the only wrestling on TNT as of 2022 will be the 4 quarterly specials. Which to me isn't a big deal. Like it's literally moving one channel away on my remote. I don't think (with 6 months of lead time to promote) that this switch really hurts them in any real way.

Well there's the second mid card title everyone is clamoring for... The TBS Title... ?

This seems like a specific move designed to fire up Evan Engram in training camp. He's had the ole butterfingers too many times when it's mattered. So let's bring in a guy whose only upside is how good his hands are. He got too big to effectively run WR routes, but Kelvin Benjamin's hands were always money. So you line him up next to Engram in drills and Engram starts getting mad that Benjamin is catching everything. Gets him to focus and push himself and maybe his buttery soft fingers start working properly. Then you can cut Benjamin before the season starts. Orrrrrrr I'm just trying to a positive spin on a really fucking stupid roster move ?

They had the WWE scratch logo from 2002 - 2014. Twelve years total (Sixteen years if you count the WWF scratch version being the same thing). The current Network era logo has already been around 7 years now. Which sounds just crazy to me. Feels like that's still relatively new, but it's really not. Considering they changed logos like 4 or 5 times between 1984 -1998, a new design every 10 years seems pretty reasonable.

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That's him. That match was for Battle Arts which was Santino's promotion. Ran out of the same building as Destiny Wrestling in Toronto. That whole facility was the closest thing to the performance center I've ever seen on the indys. A gym, MMA training center, wrestling training center, event hall, & tv studio all in one. Hell of venue.

This is quite the shit opinion. This forum has such a weird dichotomy with AEW. We have people thrilled with the shows singing the praises of Miro and Darby and Hangman. We have people with hate boners for like Omega and Cody and Jericho. It's almost like there's not a rational middle ground. And I'm not going to knock that. I certainly hateddddd Cody's promo last night and agree with every bit of criticism it got. Everyone has opinions and it's not wrong to feel how you feel about characters. But Jericho is 100% a team player. Cody as well. I know you're super critical of like every single aspect of AEW but you're way off base here. More than usual. Jericho is a millionaire top of the card main eventer. He just took a 10 foot backwards bump off a cage as a means to help get a younger guy and his faction over. How is that not a team player? He definitely didn't have to take that bump. He could have pulled a Hogan 'That doesn't work for me brother' but he didn't. And it was probably even his own idea. He's a dude that legitimately cares about the next generation getting over and takes a lot of pride in accomplishing that with them. Cody's dumb promo aside, what about him is not a team player? Dude let Brodie smoke him in 3 minutes to win the TNT title. Didn't even hook the leg. Cody did that to help put over a dude that deserved the shine he was getting. How is that not a team player? Straight up delusional shit opinion.

Did anyone have a clear picture of if / when AEW could start on the road back at the beginning of March? That's when they did the MJF turn / Pinnacle formation angle. March 10th. I'd say the rough outline of what they were doing for the feud had been formulated at least a week or two before that. So if you feel like A) they could wait until the end of May to have the first match (Stadium Stamped at DoN) and B) they knew they'd be back on the road by July and just didn't care... well okay I won't fight you on that. But I disagree. I personally don't think they had any idea when they could get back on the road back at the beginning of March when the backbone for the story was created. So from my point of view I'm not going to hold it against them trying to do the best they could with what they knew at the time. If you don't want to give them the benefit of the doubt, that's okay. But I do wish people would factor in the realities of their limitations.

That is true, and a fair point. Keep in mind that was a big arena that they could hang the cage from, so they wouldn't have the only one match restriction they had at Daily's Place. But I was speaking more to the complaining how Blood & Guts was step one in the story leading to Stadium Stampede. It's one of those things man. When you have to wear the promoter hat sometimes you have to weigh pros and cons. This feud makes sense for Blood & Guts. But the only way it fits in the feud due to the current setup restrictions, was to do it in the beginning. Blood & Guts as step one of the story, in theory, sucks. But it was either that or not at all. And I don't think enough people understand that. It wasn't created this way by choice. It was by necessity.

I think people need to cut AEW a little slack for Blood & Guts being on TV and not PPV. While yes that is pretty dumb, it was done out of necessity. The same reason the first hour of last week was taped is the reason for why Blood & Guts could not happen on PPV. They are stuck in Daily's Place for now. That is an amphitheater with a partial roof. A roof not rated strong enough to hang the cage from. So you have to have it already set up when people come in. It has to open a show, or have no other matches happening before / after. It just is what it is. And the Blood & Guts cage is not something that can just be put together in 20 minutes while they vamp, like WWE used to do with the big bar blue cage. It takes hours & hours to setup / tear down when they can't hang it from the roof. So they had to do it like this while being in Daily's Place. Just some food for thought. (Apologies if this actually came up. I haven't caught up past page 3 yet. Just felt the need to get this point out there.)

I don't have an opinion on the ref doing a leapfrog but shiiiiittttt... Hornet *is* the best worker in the ring there. Had a really solid career doing mostly lucha style on Canadian indies before signing with WWE as a ref.

Pretty standard booking device to set up a title match. Think of it like this. Owen Hart beat Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 10. Who was the first in line to get a title shot when Bret won the title later that night? Owen. Rosa "won" the feud. So now when Britt goes on to win the title, Rosa has a reason for a title shot. She got a huge definitive win in what appeared to be the feud blow off. Because of that heel Britt can dodge her and string her along, but eventually Rosa will get a shot due to the previous win. Then Britt gets the win in the final match and it means 10x more than if she just won the lights out match.

I don't actually even think this was possible in this case. It's a legitimate stage built into the venue, not a stage built for the AEW shows. I know the Kahns own the building but it's not really possible to structurally destroy a part of their venue and rebuild it for one bump on one wrestling show. Well I guess it's possible. Just not practical. Moving away from the big bump argument, I really liked how the match played out. The Dax & Sammy opening 5 has got to be up there with the best opening segments ever right? Wish the commercials were timed better with regard to the match plot points. Missing Wardlow's entrance, Tully getting the key, making Jericho stall while climbing the cage... all that did mess with the natural flow. Still loved the match and the amount of violence they brought. Just one man's opinion, but this smoked all the NXT wargames matches.

If that's your side of it, I can understand that and will let you specifically off the hook. But other people in this thread have straight up said if you're not gonna Foley it, then don't do it. That's not saying they want it shot better. That's them saying they want him to land unprotected on a table and maybe dislocate his shoulder like Foley did. That's them saying they want him to land unprotected on the ring below and maybe have his teeth knocked out and his jaw dislocated like Foley did. That's not them wanting to balance safety and looking dangerous. That's them wanting a performer to give of his body on a scale that's totally selfish of them to ask for.

This is a little more rational of a reply. But it's not a false dichotomy because the prevailing opinion seems to be it was a bad idea because it didn't look like it hurt enough. I'm not off base with that summation right? I'm fairly sure that bump hurt more in real life than any single bump in the ring tonight. That's what annoys me from that side of the argument. Yes it was padded. But gravity is still a thing. It wasn't a full on blown up stunt man crash pad they use in movies that's inflated with 30 feet of air. The stage below the crash pad is solid and made of concrete and steel. It didn't give an inch. So the rigid foam or whatever, surely hurt less than steel and concrete... but still probably hurt a fair amount. And every here is acting like it was 50 feet of pillows and feathers.

No more crash pads? If Jericho isn't going full Foley (aka his body was destroyed he had to retire at 34 years old) maybe not book a Foley finish? The fuck is wrong with you guys? You know a wrestling ring is softer than the crash pad setup he landed on right? So maybe we should take the ring away and only bump on concrete floors now? People got pissed when Matt Hardy got hurt on his big bump because it was too reckless. Now the same people are mad because Jericho didn't get hurt and they wanted it to be more reckless? The stunt could have been made a little more visually appealing but you guys are out of your minds if you're thinking a man that's 50 years old should be bumping on anything but the safest of crash pads. There's a fair middle ground for people who didn't like that finish. But complaining that the stunt man bump looked too safe is a bridge too far for me.

Noticed something about the photo. Don't look here until after the show ends...

Got that old timey feeling. Almost didn't know what it was. But I reached deep back in memory and... it's genuine excitement for a weekly wrestling show. Love it. Can't wait to see how it plays out. Would love if this did a monster number. I know we shouldn't be consumed with ratings and the nuts and bolts like that. But it's an instant gratification of other people enjoying what you enjoy. No idea how they will go with the finish. But my $.02 American says let Wardlow murder everyone to the point Jericho is scared Sammy is going to die and he gives up to save Sammy's life. Of coarse after it's over Wardlow still murder deaths Sammy. No matter how it plays out, just happy to be legitimately excited about a wrestling show again.

This bums me out. Yes that's the term, but X-Pac was the man. The whole X-Factor debacle only lasted 8 months. And for half of that they were only featured on Heat. It sucks that a bad 8 months out of a generally awesome career got him labeled as a go away heat vacuum. GWF Lightning Kid was awesome. Babyface 123 Kid was great. Heel 123 Kid was solid. Syxx was awesome. X-Pac (DX version) was awesome. X-Pac (X-Factor version) was god awful. X-Pac (2002 nWo version) was pretty awesome again. Post WWE Waltman was really good too. Who can we nominate to get this wrong righted? Who is the 2021 heat vacuum?

I disagree. Everyone else mentioned it's the title for TNT. But beyond that Dark & Elevation are just enhancement shows. The original concept for Dark was, we're doing dark matches before the live events... let's tape them. I don't think it's meant to be WCW Saturday Night's successor or something they want to drive viewers to. Wrestling monetization on You Tube is pretty lousy. It's meant for rusty & green members of the roster to get some work in and practice in front of the cameras. And for them to test out new potential signings. I know they sold Elevation as being something a bit more. But I truly feel like it's just meant to be a second Dark in the long run. They've been saying a second TNT / Warner show is coming. So when that happens they can tape Dark before Dynamite on Wednesdays and tape Elevation before Untitled Second Show on like Fridays or whatever on the road. It's Velocity & Heat. It's Metal & Jacked. It's not meant to have a title that drives the product. It's an accessory not a priority. Once they get back on the road there's no way they can keep loading these shows up with 13 matches each. But that's just my assessment of it. Maybe I'm way off.

Now this idea is more my speed. A US Title that is the clear number 2 title. You use it as the real springboard for the Miros / MJFs / Hangmans on the roster to solidify them taking that next step. Then the TNT Title becomes clear number 3 title and used primarily on open challenges that don't need a lot of setup. I like it.