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I understand your thoughts here. But if you've heard any of the podcasts the DSotR guys have been on or watched any of those wrap around shows you can see they are huge wrestling fans. They definitely don't give off the vibe of explorative scumbags. They just seem like well meaning nerdy wrestling super fans. But that they also feel the need to tell the stories as factually as they can. So I don't agree with you. Don't think they are leaning into the trashiest elements of things. Think they are just using the answers they get and the narrative follows as close as they can construct to the truth from people's accounts. But maybe I'm naive. I'll just say I hope they are well meaning, and not like your assessment of them.

It's possible. I wonder tho if even knowing Bret and Martha don't get along, if he's just happy Owen is finally going to be part of the wrestling community again. It's just me guessing here. But I think with Bret's love for the wrestling business, and Owen's memory finally being allowed to be a part of it, he's probably very happy about it. A lot of their grudge is over her not letting Owen's memory be associated with wrestling anymore. So maybe this helps their relationship a bit.

First place bayybeee... In the 2022 NFL draft... For now... Yeah can't spin anything good out of this one. Uhm Jones didn't turn the ball over? The Giant's offense was pretty fine. But Slayton dropping the most wide open route I've ever seen and the really bad holding call on Jone's called back TD run were the difference. Even still if Dexter Lawrence just fell asleep instead of trying on that kick The Giants still would have won. It's a 17 game season and the winner of The NFC East had 7 wins last year. It isn't season over yet. But man are they in a hole.

That early roughing the passer call (while I understand the landing with weight rule) was still pretty ticky tacky. But I feel no remorse as they immediately gave them a make up no call when Jones took a suplex city german on the last drive and... nothing.

Grease paint comes of with a wipe, as seen on TV last night. The acrylic paint needs to be peeled off. So it's probably just for ease of use. 10 seconds in the showers the grease paint is off. Takes 5-10 minutes while looking in a mirror to peel off acrylic. And even still, you're bound to miss a few spots. Acrylic looks way better, but when your main goal is to get the hell out of an arena you can't beat the quickness of the grease paint.

You are a real life Vacation Jason lol. I do hope you enjoy the show tonight tho. But I also hope you dial back your talking down to people like the post above. Condescension will get you nowhere.

My guess, Rechsteiner sounds too much like Rex Steiner. They decided to change it so if he leaves he can't sow up somewhere as Rechsteiner (one word) that sounds exactly like Rex Steiner. Of coarse now if he leaves he can be Bron Steiner since Bron is his legal first name. Bron Steiner isn't similar enough to sound like Bron Breakker. But this is them over thinking themselves into a shoot.

Don't think they are ready or willing to go head to head with Smackdown at this point. So would scale back that hope a bit lol.

These are all criticisms I agree with. I have been annoyed in previous threads about how rigid they have been with the structure. They have done either 5 or 6 matches on every Dynamite for the whole year. Of those 5 matches a week one is a women's match. And 80% of the time that women's segment happens at the 9:30 "cool down before the main event" slot. That's something they can do better on. Especial when a bunch of the women are so over. Britt, Statlander, Ruby, Jade may be green but she's way over, Rosa, Anna & Tay. The strict no more than 6 match structure is also a hindrance. Switch it up sometimes. Go light on pre tapes and throw in an extra match or two. Would help to get more women on. Also agree on the lack of diversity. They have some good Latino representation hoovering around the top (Lucha Bros & Andrade). But they need to get some more people of color into the mix. Hobbs is a good start, a program with Punk will raise his stock. But again they can do better.

Is it weird that we essentially see each other as the same thing? From my perspective you're the comic book guy from the Simpsons ragging on us all because we're reading something obscure thing that doesn't fit the literary structure you get from the mainstream big name comics. I'm going to scale back my engagement in this because I think we can all agree that the argument has been warped into weird new stuff on all sides. I will leave my final thoughts as this : I don't think it's preposterous to show a 30 second promo or video to show who a new guy is. There is a happy medium between showing nothing and over explaining. But it does strike a note with me when someone says it would have been better if they had done "this" on a show where they literally did "this". And then to turn it from a constructive disagreement about the show we watched to toxic fandom and stuff because people disagree with you. I can understand if you don't want to go into specifics. But I'm curious to hear the things that they stink at from your perspective. Our tastes don't always line up but you're a poster I enjoy seeing the opinion of. Even if we don't agree I generally understand your points. So it would be nice to see what you think they can improve on. But again I get it if you don't wanna get into specifics.

Total strawman argument here. His "small minority criticism" morphed into shit talking about insufferable fans when his view point was disagreed with. He likes a bunch of exposition and narrative. That's fine. He can like what he likes. But calling people insufferable because we don't agree with him is not the same as just stating his opinion and wanting more exposition.

They LITERALLY started the show ith an All Out recap wherein, Suzuki literally choked out then Piledrove Moxley. That's a you thing, not an anyone else in here thing. Even the staunchest of AEW supporters on the forum will admit when they mess things up. And at the very least have constructive criticisms of what they think could be done better. So you might want to get off that high horse and mingle with us peons. You might find out that we're pretty rational and it's you that has the insufferable outlook. For fuck's sake dude. Pro wrestling is about telling stories. Not only telling the stories the exact way you think they should do it. You're in here telling us this R rated movie a bunch of us are enjoying are doing it wrong because the narrative needs to be more like Blue's Clues. I've never once seen a Suzuki match myself. But I've heard his name. I saw him choke out Moxley and Piledrive him. I don't need 40 paragraphs of exposition to be invested. It's pretty simple. oh this shit kicker dude from Japan just punked out Moxley then they're gonna fight. Pretty simple. And going a step further, doing 40 paragraphs of exposition is what's ruining WWE's story telling ability. They treat the viewers like idiots. That's not the assumption I'm angling for. All I'm saying is that you don't have to dumb down the storytelling to the dumbest degree. You can assume people are smart enough to understand the very simple story of this angry old man showed up and punked out Jon Moxley. Now Moxley wants to kick his ass. It's a one off match on one episode of Dynamite. Not the world title match at the PPV. Why in the world do they need to dumb it down and hold everyone's hand for a one off?

100% speculation on coming... The way it's played out, him getting fired then rehired, not being cleared to wrestle but still wrestling, then having to vacate the title due to not being cleared... it reads to me like he never got cleared for the Kross match in the first place. Triple H just had the power to make the call to let him wrestle anyways. Because everything NXT was under his authority (contracts, creative, liabilities, ect). So this is just one more example of how Triple H may still run the day to day at NXT but he isn't in charge anymore. The corporate team (Vince, Prichard, Kahn, Laurinitus, & Dunn) are in complete control. And the NXT team (Triple H, Road Dogg, Shawn Michaels, Matt Bloom, ect) are just a creative team that have to listen to the rules set forth from above. Corporate team finds out Joe was never cleared and they put the kibosh on that. Too much of a liability if he does get hurt. That's why they didn't do a short angle / match around whatever the issue is. They don't do that with talent that isn't cleared on the main roster. Medical calls are medical calls. But again, this is just me speculating after seeing how it played out.

Like I said in the NXT thread... can't have the developmental title on a guy with previous experience ?

I'm bummed The Giants lost. But credit where credit is due, Teddy Bridgewater looked like an elite top tier quarterback today. It's just one game so I'm not full on joining his fan club or anything. But New York played solid defense. Teddy just out played them on pretty much every snap. There were some real questionable calls in the game tho. Teddy's helmet fell of about 30 times so because it falls off when he was sliding a roughing call? Ugh. Same exact thing happened to Jones but his helmet stayed on so no penalty. (Although nothing was worse than that Jamis Winston roughing call on a Packers interception tho. All time bad call there). The Giants weren't terrible today. Jones did fumble once, ugh. But even he played better than last year. They just couldn't keep up with ole Teddy two Gloves. Now they play Washington on Thursday and the loser will be all alone in the race for the number one draft pick for a few days. Fun. I hate football.

Can't have the developmental title on someone with previous experience ?

Fair enough then I can see why people are guessing this time next year then. I would have thought it would taken longer than that. Either way updated No Mercy or GTFO lol.

What are you basing that on? There are guys who have freedom to take any bookings. Like Andrade & Mox & Jericho. But your Evil Unos or Orange Cassidy or whoever can't just show up wherever they want without getting it approved. And that's not a Covid thing. I mean why would the contracts even exist if that were the case? AEW would just pay per appearance. They have contracts to lock dudes in place. TK is cool with pretty much everyone doing outside events tho and making extra money. But like Uno or OC showing up at PWG without getting it okayed isn't a thing. The standard contract guys need approvals for outside bookings. I speak as someone with first hand knowledge of trying to book an AEW contracted talent by the way, no just throwing shit at the wall here lol.

This doesn't erase your point here, but you can't just show up at an indy on a standard AEW contract. It has to be approved. AEW generally has approved all requests so far I think. And there are special circumstances like Andrade & Moxley where they are free to take any date that doesn't conflict with AEW by the nature of the deals they signed. But the standard contracts, you need permission. So it's not like Brian Cage could show up at GCW because he's mad at his spot on the card right now in AEW as a FU to Tony Kahn. Your point still stands, but there's just the extra step. And in the case of dudes no being used, I can't see why they would turn down a request. From what I gather TK is very pro workers and wants to do as much as he can to make as many of them happy. And if working indy shots makes a dude happy, he seems cool with that.

No Mercy game play or bust for me lol. At this point they haven't said anything about even a target release date right? So people in here speculating or being doom & gloom on certain aspects because they think it will be out by All Out next year is a bitttttttt premature. I'm going in to this not expecting it to be released before 2024. To me 5 years to build an engine from the ground up seems about right if you're not rushing it. If it ends up coming out before that (and is actually ready and not rushed) I will be pleasantly surprised. But I'd reserve judgement on pretty much all of it at this point. It's far from a finished or polished product yet. I agree with the jerky motion on the rope bounce arm drag by the way. I just don't think all of the ring and rope physics / weighting of the character models have been implemented yet. They're just like hey guys look how dope these models look. Remember this move? Cool right? And not actually showing in game footage of the engine running yet.

Why would AEW want a mascot named W.C.W. ? Alfred E. Willy is right there.

I think the difference in quality between Raw and Smackdown is easily explained it two steps. One, 2 hour shows are always better than 3 hour shows. Two, Roman & The Bloodline take up a majority of the run time each week, and Roman & Heyman get a big say in how they are used. Beyond that I just want to take a second to mention how weird it is to see people denying there is legitimate competition by talking about shareholders' happiness. I don't watch any TV show or movie caring about the happiness of the shareholders of the content. To me that's a weird way to defend something. Not based on the merit of what you're seeing, but based on the financial stability of those pulling the strings. Just odd man. But you do you.

So basically she is more up to date with wrestling than a good chunk of the board lol

Respectfully I'm just asking what would have been good enough for you? How much of this show should have been dedicated to the history of him? He was shown in the opening recap. Every time the graphic was shown he was verbally put over. Punk took time out of his promo to put him over. His name plate had a written explanation of his history. Would a 30 second promo of Suzuki talking to the camera been a good enough introduction of him? I'm asking these questions because I don't understand the point of view and want to understand it. Suzuki is the simplest of all characters. A legitimate old man shooter badass. I don't know how much more of that could have even been conveyed. Like are you looking for a 3-4 minute mini documentary on his career or clips of previous matches? For instance thinking back to any new additions that have debuted during battle royals / casino ladder matches none of them got any extra explanation. Brian Cage just showed up and they verbally conveyed his character. Ethan Page just showed up and they verbally conveyed his character. Lio Rush just showed up and they just verbally conveyed his character. Ruby Soho just showed up and they just verbally conveyed her character. Suzuki just showed up and they verbally conveyed his character. I just fail to see what's different about him versus everyone else. Because I don't remember anyone saying they needed more explanation on Lio Rush or Brian Cage. On this point I agree. The match was a miss for me. Didn't think it was either guy's best work. But I don't think doing more of an explanation on Suzuki's past or motivations would have changed that. Which is kind of my whole point on this talking point. Gregg insinuated he would have been better vested if he knew more about Suzuki. And I don't think any of what was given to us would have been elevated by more dialogue or backstory.

He has openly joked that he could never pass a wellness test and his piss would melt through a styrofoam cup... so I don't see WWE being an option lol. He's also on record as hating his time in WWE developmental. He's also older than 30 and has previous wrestling experience (which is now frowned upon ?).