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4 hours ago, Kevin Wilson said:
I didn't mind it in theory, the only thing I didn't like is they really didn't make it clear that Killswitch could give it away to anyone he wanted to. On one hand, if they mentioned that it would have tipped us off as to what would happen, but on the other hand it just felt like something they made up at the moment to fit into the storyline. I liked the match a lot, and the end result of Christian keeping the belt I have no problem with, the execution on how we got there just felt a little made-up on the spot.
See this is a fair and constructive criticism.
Internally I just chalk it up to wrestling logic. No different than when Shawn Michaels superkicked Benoit & Triple H then signed Benoit's Wrestmania Rumble win contract making it a 3 Way. It's just how wrestling works. You have a signed and sealed contract by one party. If that contract isn't signed by you ti can be signed by anyone. So don't be a dummy, get a rubber stamp of your signature and stamp that bitch asap lol.-
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3 hours ago, TheVileOne said:
It was an ultra-exaggerated, even more contrived version of the Dusty finish. It teases a babyface beating the heel champion and winning the title but ultimately ends with the title back on the heel champion. Made even dumber and worse by the fact they set up a title shot battle royal on the same night to have Killswitch win only to promptly hand over the shot back to Christian after he lost. Dumb garbage.
The Dusty finish is a finish reversal. They basically did a reversal last night.
Why do you watch AEW? You clearly don't like anything they do. Maybe for your own sanity you should stop forcing yourself to hate watch?
It made 100% sense. As much sense as any MITB cash in can. A bit more actually because the contract was unsigned and Christian signed it on the spot. They put the extra thought into it to give it a touch of real world details. I basically called this entire finish (except the Christian sub in) this week. It's good booking on multiple levels and keeps things interesting. The match was really solid. The audience got a nice cathartic moment because Edge finally beat the shithead heel and everyone got to celebrate. The heel left with more heat because he found a shitty loophole to get the belt back. The underling has more sympathy on him for being abused yet again. It's literally wrestling 101. An up and down story telling roller coaster with feel good moments and bum out moments.
All you do is complain and point out how everything sucks. At least accompany your negative takes with an alternate way to do things that wouldn't suck in your opinion. Because otherwise every post you make is the same. This sucks. That sucks. This is the worst. It's fine if those are your real feels. But for the love of god add some constructive content to your criticisms.-
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Yeah, see. This officiating crew is just a pile of issues. I dislike The Cowboys, but this goes to show this gripe isn't biased. The video above shows them fucking up even worse against The Cowboys. How do you penalize the wrong team? How does NO ONE step in and say wrong team dawg. This crew is just the absolute worst and there needs to be accountability.
It's 2024. Why can't we increase the amount off officials on the field? Increase the amount of eyes in the NY command center watching each game. Give them real time assistance. Constant communication. Go from 7 refs to 9 or 11 on field. Why do we have to stick to the structure that isn't working? Fix it.-
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3 hours ago, Mister TV said:
The Lions shouldn’t have tried to be cute by sending three tackles over to the ref, there’s no need for 58 to even be over there, 70 runs to the ref and not the huddle, there’s no confusion on the refs part if 68 is the only one who approaches him.
I call BS on this. Dan Campbell specifically explained how they were going to run this play to the refs before the game just to be safe. Brad Allen fucked up. And he needs to be held accountable. Especially since it's his crew repeatedly that comes under fire for dicey calls. Blaming The Lions for the play design in a trick play when the ref clearly fucks up is pretty disingenuous. All 3 of them being over there is the whole point of the play design.
There's video evidence that he never speaks to 70. Stop making excuses.-
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How do NFL refs keep fucking up so bad? Yes, The Lions tried to be cute with gamensmenship. All of the tackles went to the ref at the same time. So visually they could catch a few defenders sleeping. But the ref goes over and tells them who reported once that happens, so it's not like it's actual cheating. Brad Allen clearly did not do his job correctly. He ignores the two men in front of him for some reason. He then tells The Cowboys D line that 70 (he never spoke to him) was eligible. It appears he just assumed 68 & 58 were walking over to tell him 70 was eligible?
Regardless just an all time terrible reffing job. A man is speaking right to you and you're ignoring him and looking at someone else running onto the field. Made 3000x worse when the possibility of that was described to you before the game by the coach. The NFL needs to stop trying to do spin work in the name of "protecting the shiield" and start punishing these officials that are so royally messing up.-
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Weirdest shit ever hearing Kevin Owens theme during an NFL game. Until you realize it's in Cleveland. And I'm fairly sure someone on staff there works for AIW. Deep cut for an NFL game lol.
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Strong suspicion Joe wins the title Saturday. I think taking the ROH titles tonight was part of getting everything off of him so he can get surgery. It also makes Joe look like a goof if he relinquishes a belt to focus on another one and doesn't succeed. I would say we pause all the devil stuff until MJF & Cole come back. But now two of them have the ROH tag belts and that's a long time to run with masked dudes without unmasking them.
Also see Edge winning the TNT title but getting 'Edge money in the banked' by whoever wins the pre show battle royal. Gets the belt off of Christian in a satisfying manor. Gets Edge on your title lineage. Gets the belt off of Edge in a way that protects him and shifts the focus off of him being a midcard champion.-
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15 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
IMO that probably falls on the wrestler more than the person representing that particular person. If you're in a certain financial situation as most people working check to check are, that quick payout seems much more tempting. Foresight of potential earnings be damned.
I hear ya and agree to an extent. But from what I understand Huffmanly was pretty hands off with the case and just let SPN do his thing. And I contend that forcing the blurring was an unnesicary step that served only to spite WWE. Huffmanly didn't request that to happen. That was a SPN call.
Any agreement was going to be reached with or without the blurring. That's the part I think they will hold resentment about. There was no legally nesicary reason to do that. SPN just did it to get Cornette to pop and have something to mark out about.
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23 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
Didn’t SPN just represent the Indy guy who copyrighted Yeet for wrestling vs the Fed?
Yes. And in my opinion he hurt that kid more than he helped him. I'm sure he got a good payout. But the way it was handled, an injunction / cease & desist that made them blur all of the Yeet shirts in footage and photos until an agreement was reached, definitely fucked that kid's chances of ever making it to WWE. So 100k or whatever he got, he also has the largest pro wrestling company annoyed and holding a grudge against him for life now.
I know through second hand knowledge the digital team had to work extra long hours that week blurring. WWE is gonna remember that. He could have represented him in a way that let WWE continue displaying it until the agreement was reached. But instead he purposely made it hard on WWE to have a story to run back to Cornette and mark out about sticking it to WWE. That kid was a pawn in his need for affection from Jim.-
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9 hours ago, Casey said:
I hate Jim Cornette’s podcast schtick as much as the next guy, but it’s not like the lawyer guy is just some nobody trying to make a name for himself.
Disagree. Inside of the wrestling world, even before he started representing wrestling related law disputes, he was jizzing money all over the place to get on shows. Ultimate definition of a money mark.
The Cornette connection only came after Cornette learned he was dropping five figures advertising on MLW & WV wrestling companies. He paid his way into the business. I'm not a fan if that.
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7 hours ago, TheVileOne said:
Everything that's happening today with Chris Jericho is very much a reflection of Tony Khan's poor leadership in handling what took place before and after AEW All Out 2022.
Time for Bryan Danielson to send out some fines.
Your mileage may vary with your Jericho opinions. But why is what he did there worthy of a fine? The money mark lawyer is doing podcast rounds marking out about something he's supposedly under an NDA for. I 1,000% get why that would annoy Jericho.
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Made it interesting. But boy is Darren Waller not that guy. What was he doing on that last drive? I get that he was roughed up. But you're right on your own boundary. You could have got over there and tossed the ball to someone. He had zero effort or awareness. The Eagles did not shake their slump in the way this one ended. They just barely scraped by a 5 win team with QB issues.
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On 12/23/2023 at 11:09 PM, NoFistsJustFlips said:
Having both Gabe Davis & George Pickens on my bench in my fantasy football playoffs, not ideal.
My opponent having Amari Cooper who scored 51.5, not ideal. Also not ideal, having The Browns kicker who left the game on my active roster. Also also not ideal, having Calvin Riddley & Jordan Love on my bench.
Purdy / Deebo / Barkley / Darren Waller (yeah right) need to go off for me to stand any sort of chance. The fantasy football gods have bestowed a week of great shame upon me. At least Miami beat those damn dirty Cowboys. -
Having both Gabe Davis & George Pickens on my bench in my fantasy football playoffs, not ideal.
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17 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
For the third time…maybe we should stop looking so fondly at what a gross pile of shit this business used to be.
This is a business based on pretending you hate someone and fake fighting them. Guess what, there's gonna be dudes you really hate mixed in there too. Your job is still to fake fight them. It's not mature and conducive to success to say I will only fake fight the people I like. Jericho got into a fist fight with Lesnar in 2014. They still worked a match after. It's not the end of the world or some pile of gross shit that they we mature enough to say we don't like each other but let's not let that interfere with what our job is supposed to be.
You can chalk it up to people romanticizing what the business used to be, but that's disingenuous. You can like the positive progression the business has made and still think The Bucks not being willing to do their job with a co-worker is them being immature. That doesn't mean you're advocating for bar fights and workers beating the shit out of fans because they're heels. Or fans stabbing the bad guys. It's not as black & white as you're making it out to be. -
1 hour ago, StretchMediatedHypertrophy said:
And now we're talking about internet fans from the early 2000s as somehow representative of the casual fan.
Anddd I'm out. The goal posts keep moving. My overarching point has been the same from the beginning. There's too many titles & they (AEW, since when I use a they you seem to think it's a nebulous group and not a defined subject I'm referencing) haven't defined what one is more important than any others. I haven't wavered from that. Even adding supporting arguments from another instance in history when fans complained about too many belts. But you'll hand waive away anything that doesn't fit your side with a witty and eloquent variation of nuhh uhh.
1 hour ago, StretchMediatedHypertrophy said:This is a ludicrous argument. The truth is that there is no strict hierarchy, you have a subjective opinion about it. That's it.
Ludicrous argument? WWE absolutely has a strict hierarchy. They use it in their story telling allllll the time. Reigns title is 1A. WCH is 1B. IC is 2A. US is 2B. They (WWE, since again you will point this as a nebulous they instead of the obvious subject) have used the IC Title's importance in so many stories over the years this isn't up for subjective think pieces. It's what they (WWE) have presented on screen, in canon. Hence why multiple times Honky's reign length has been used in stories (Gunther & Santino specifically) and whoever has the US Title reign length hasn't been used.
So with that I'm resting my case in this conversation. Feel free to hand waive the whole post away. You've done so well doing that up until this point lol. -
6 minutes ago, StretchMediatedHypertrophy said:
It is to some extent, but I don't really have to prove a negative. You haven't really evidenced your position in any way. And I wasn't talking about the Euro Title, I was talking about the considerable period where both IC and US Titles existed without a brand-split.
'One of the biggest complaints' is a slightly vague claim, but it certainly isn't the biggest complaint about the Invasion and tbh I don't think it's even top 3.This is seemingly becoming a very circular discussion because I list out reasons and supporting thoughts and you just go nuu uhhh.
The bolded above again is apples to oranges. The IC Title has always clearly been the most important non world title in WWE. They have always given that heightened importance over any other non-world title. So there was a time that existed (ten years after the US title debuted) that both were secondary titles under the same unified brand that you're referencing... it was never in doubt the IC Title was always more important than the US Title. Again this doesn't even fit what the original argument was about. Because they explained the purpose of The US Title and where it lied in the hierarchy when it debuted, ten years before the time frame you're asking about.
As for the second part, maybe it's an age thing. I was online during the Invasion. It was absolutely the number two complaint behind WWE not securing the biggest WCW stars for the Invasion. It got railed against all the time at the time. If you're younger and didn't live through that period online I could see how that could be in doubt for you. But if you visited any message boards in 2001 it was a consistent source of complaint and frustration. -
2 hours ago, Technico Support said:
I despise the gross, cynical view that they should have all "put their differences aside to make money." It's so fucking carny. The Bucks are human beings and if they decide they don't want to work with a guy who tried to assault them, that's their right. Stop romanticizing the way things used to be done.
But actually it's not their right. They are employees of a company. I don't get to go into work and be like I can't stand this person I'm not gonna work with them today. I get fired if I do that. It's not gross or cynical at all to say if you're going to stay employed here you have to listen to your boss and do the job he asks you to do. We can all litigate Brawl Out to we're all blue in the face. But they didn't have to storm into Punk's locker room that night. Even if Punk was outrageously out of line with his comments at the scrum (he was), and even if he threw the first punch (all accounts say he did), they're guilty here too. If I storm up to someone who said something negative about me at work and an altercation breaks out, we're all getting fired. Because I was in the wrong too.
This idealistic thought that they shouldn't be made to work with someone they don't like is unrealistic. They should be made to work with whoever the boss thinks will make the most money with them. And if they don't like it they don't have to stay. They get paid seven figures a year. Maybe eight now after their renewal. They don't also get to cherry pick every aspect of their work day.-
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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:
She had like two and a half years in a locker room with experts in work, promos, psychology, etc. Either she never asked for help or she did but couldn't put it together. Both are a problem. But after two and a half years, if your matches are still glorified squashes and your promos are just variations on your catchphrase, something's not going right. You may have something there about wanting to be a star and not necessarily a wrestler. When you come from a non-wrestling background, making money and getting famous can definitely feel more important then, you know, being good at this.
There's a long standing history of some of the most money making stars in the business not being good in the ring at all. We're a generation or two past that now. But to say it can't be done again I think is a little naive. You either have the It Factor or you don't. Ultimate Warrior had it. Goldberg had it. Jade has it. You don't HAVE TO BE the most technically sound worker to get over and make yourself & the company a bunch of money. Everyone agrees Jade has that aura. And AEW knew it too. They debuted her in a celebrity match with Shaq. They gave her a win streak. But they just never pulled the trigger on her having a run on top of the division. WWE is going to make a ton of money for her and off of her. But no one knows if she's gonna be Goldberg or if she's gonna be Ryback. Gotta give her that sink or swim moment. And AEW just never did.
Hey maybe with hindsight we'll all be able to say AEW were right. But I think the easy money is on WWE being able to get that top of the division run out of her when the time is right.-
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2 hours ago, StretchMediatedHypertrophy said:
3) Again, I understand why some people might benefit from this kind of clarity but I honestly don't think the average viewer particularly craves it. I don't think viewers had a tremendous issue when there was no brand-split in WWE and two midcard titles - often one or more of those titles wasn't especially well booked, but the existence of two midcard titles wasn't really a problem.
It's apples and oranges because wehn WWE debuted the European Title the IC Title had a 15 year history of being the number 2 title. It had always been portrayed as the springboard to stardom. Savage, Warrior, Bret Hart, & HBK had all had reigns that defined that title's importance and was important steps in their journey upward. AEW didn't have that established history. Zero TNT champions went on to be AEW World Champion. When WWE debuted the US Title it's purpose was clear, it was Smackdown's version of the IC title. A number two for the number two brand.
WWE is very good about giving purpose and meaning to titles that debuted. Even ones you knew weren't important. Like The Hardcore Title & 24/7 Title. You knew why they were there and if they were important (they werent). Even now. We all know Reigns' title is the top title. But when the new WHC was created everyone instantly knew it was there to be the top title for Raw. IC & US both have more history and prestige than a new title, but they explained what the purpose of this new title was.
I thunk ultimately this is an agree to disagree discussion. Because your viewpoint is that most viewers don't care about that kind of thing. And my viewpoint is that they do. Everyone pretty much universally pans the Invasion angle and one of the biggest complaints is that there were too many belts. There's actually more titles in AEW & ROH right now than there was in 2001 for WWE & WCW. That's crazy. But again no disrespect meant if you don't agree. We just have two different starting points for what we think the audience cares about.-
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7 hours ago, StretchMediatedHypertrophy said:
1) The lol makes the point that Christian walking around with the belt added an extra wrinkle to his character.
2) Samoa Joe couldn't have: he was the King of Television remember. And no OC couldn't have told the same story with the TNT Title because he took what was the obvious No. 3 belt and made it the No. 2 belt.
1) Christian could have been carrying around any title. There's nothing about the story that dictated Luchasaurus needed to win the TNT belt for Christian to walk around with. You're missing the point that literally any belt could have been put into that story and nothing changes.
2) I don't understand your Samoa Joe mention here. But since your brought him up, his reign ended by voluntary forfeit. Couldn't he have done the voluntary forfeit sooner and ROH TV Title be the belt chosen to do the Christian story?
3) How is The International Title being number 3 at the start obvious? How is it being the number 2 title now obvious? None of that is obvious. It's a matter of opinion because AEW has never defined what title is where in a hierarchy. Well Mox & OC main evented All Out with it you might say. Ok. Christian & Darby main evented Wrestle Dream with the TNT Title. It's not at all clear or obvious what belt is considered number 2 by AEW themselves. -
My plans fell through and I couldn't go to the Giants v Saints game today. Thank god. That was ugly. A kicker FG & a punter FG are your only points? So very frustrating.
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5 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:
The snark and pushback on any attempt to have a discussion about some of AEW's issues are only proving what I said to be true. It's the "this is fine" meme come to life.
I'm currently having a discussion about the belts in this thread and neither side of the issue is doing snark or push back. So that disputes that any criticism of issues is automatically returned with snark. I don't even think the most diehard AEW fans would deny a lot of what you're saying about ticket sales and pure facts like that. I think the vibe your posts have given off in the recent past in just this thread (not everywhere, not always, just this conversation) isn't so much a conversation as it is a confrontation.
You have a lot of valid points. 3k people in 10k seat buildings looks bad no matter what company does it as an example. But the way you present it is more that it's an undisputed fact that your side of the argument is the only rational side. I think we all feel like that sometimes but that's not entirely true for any of us.
Like I agree AEW looks bad losing Jade & Cody. They were day 1 homegrown kind of AEW projects. Cody was the whole identity of the company in a lot of ways. And he went from a meh presentation in AEW to a star in WWE. Jade has a huge upside and bright future. They were patient and treated her like a big deal ad she lefgt without really giving anything back. Punk tho I think that's debatable. I have already stated my way to handle it in TK's shoes is get them in a room and fix it. TK rode the fence too long and tried to keep everyone happy. But I don't think AEW looks bad here, I think Punk does. Gigantic hypocrite. But the way you receive that shouldn't be that I'm challenging you with push back or snark.
That's all. The old JR saying about McMahon. Remember go in and converse with the old man, not confront.-
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7 minutes ago, Casey said:
can’t wait until noted technical purist HOOK wins the title and unifies it with the FTW title.
Is that the story they're going with? I've missed a few TVs. I know Yuta & Hook have a thing going. But it didn't seem like either belt was involved yet. Couldn't the story also be Yuta takes the FTW Title and trashes it because it's not what a Purist would want? That's still in the neighborhood of something fitting what I'm talking about. A thematic story based on the identity & purpose of the title.
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2024 NFL Draft
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Willing a trade to The Bears into existence. I'm off the Daniel Jones train. Gotta keep him next year the way the contract is structured. But get the best QB and let him sit while Jones crashes and burns one last time.
But the number 6 pick probably just isn't high enough to get a new franchise QB.