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  1. So clearly Hobbs got a gnarly concussion on that dive, yeah? His head bounced badly on the floor. Took forever to get back in the ring. Was out of place and falling about. Ref & Dante talking to him to call what was left. He forgot to cover on the spinebuster because he was so loopy. Trust me dude, I've been there a bunch. All things considered they kept it from going off the rails. That's a big plus for two guys as inexperienced as they are.

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  2. 1 hour ago, Bryan said:

    But why did the purse strings get closed? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that former WWF guys were signed to exorbitant deals would it?

    The bad creative didn’t have anything to do with giving a former WWF guy creative control or another ship jumper booking power?

    You’re trying to separate the signings and the ratings rise from the consequences of what some of these signings did or ultimately caused.

    Just hiring a bunch of big names has not  actually been a sustainable long term business model, as far as I’m aware.

    My understanding of the 80’s was that the WWF’s business model relied more on running lots of house shows (hence the we were on the road 350 days a year), so cycling in guys seems like it would make more sense.

    And while Vince was able to crush most of his competition, the reason WCW could sign so many people was because the WWF couldn’t compete financially despite having accumulated so much talent.

    I don’t have a problem with how AEW is booking I just suggested they not bring in more WWE guys for about a year to focus on having the younger guys work with all the newcomers.

    They haven’t actually done anything yet, and for all we know Kevin Owens was just pulling a Randy Orton to finesse a bigger deal from WWE.

    On paper, cycling guys in and out like you say makes some sense. But I’m not sure you appreciate the potential psychological effects on people being left out that don’t want to be and the acrimony that could result from that.

     

    This is a much more rational post. I don't think our opinions are as far off from each other as I first thought. I do concede that there could be a Jericho effect. (In that the top of WCW had a rock solid glass ceiling he knew he had to leave to be a star). But I think it's a stretch because WCW didn't do rotational booking. They ran their top guys on every show and younger guys couldn't get any shine. AEW in that respect is already much different. Punk didn't come in and work Jericho or Moxley, as Hogan did when he worked Flair right away. He came in and worked a young AEW original. So while it could happen, I see less potential for that Jericho effect. AEW's most flattering booking quality is everyone gets some shine and they truly try to present all of their acts as important, not just filler.

    And Owens really could be pulling an Orton. I wouldn't blame him for it either. I think he would have more fun in AEW. But at a certain point WWE is going to decide they need to open the bank to pay big for some of their top guys to stay. He seems like a guy they would pay big to keep.

  3. 1 hour ago, Bryan said:

    Did it occur to you the reason WCW and TNA went down the path it did was because they had such a large roster with only a limited amount of spots inevitably led to politicking and then bad creative?

    Once again, I’m not opposed to any of the former WWE guys they have already signed right now. I just think they have enough for awhile. Look at all of the talented guys that were not on the ppv or preshow. And that was before two more big names were added.

    But at the end of the day, you cited two companies that failed utilizing the strategy of signing as much WWE talent as possible. It’s not a strategy that has actually worked long term.

    Also, what matters most in this situation is perception—and there is a perception that “AEW is just a bunch of guys Vince fired (that’s a literal quote I saw online recently)” among some casual WWE fans.

    If the goal is to expand the audience to casuals and even convert WWE fans, (which it obviously is) you have to avoid that perception. In my view, the best way to avoid that perception is to start elevating the homegrown talent. Something TNA didn’t really do since WWE guys tended to immediately go to the top.

    Finally, let’s be real: Kevin Owens is not Hulk Hogan. No regular wrestler in the WWE right now is going to move the ratings needle like that. CM Punk was probably the last person not named The Rock or Austin that could even really move the ratings needle.

    I'll grant you TNA failed. But in what world did WCW becoming super successful and over taking the number one spot for about two years (and going from losing money to mega profitable) a failure to you? Yes WCW went out of business. But your narrative isn't the reason why. The purse strings got closed. The handcuffs went onto the creative team. WCW was still kicking ass in 1998, even if WWE had pulled ahead. The corporate mergers / standards & practices handcuffs stopped them from continuing to sign big names and book more reality based gritty realism. They had to tone it down and go more PG on screen and it was not good. Then all the really bad management and booking changes accelerated things. They didn't fail because they signed too many big names. They went out of business because Turner stopped letting Bischoff do his thing without restrictions. And a neutered WCW vs the full on attitude era was a massacre.

     

    34 minutes ago, Bryan said:

    All Out did not feature the following non-jobber wrestlers doing any wrestling: Adam Page, Andrade, Brian Cage, Cody Rhodes, FTR, Ethan Page, Lance Archer Malakai Black, Pac, Ricky Starks, Sammy G, Santana and Ortiz, Scorpio Sky, Wardlow, Will Hobbs.

    And that’s before they added Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson.

    Obviously, Adam Page and Cody are on paternity or reality tv leave, and Pac had travel issues but they won’t be gone forever, so it’s going to be impossible to prominently feature everyone regardless of how good they are.

    Push the best people is a fine sentiment but there only so many spots to push guys into.

    It’s not a video game and so the reaction to not being featured on two consecutive ppvs and learning they’re bringing in even more guys who are friends with the evp’s is generally not, “you’re better than me, come take my spot.” 

    Another historically inaccurate take. The ultra successful WWE 80s expansion did this exact thing to great success. They rotated all of the big stars so none of them got over exposed. Hogan had less than 10 TV matches per year from 1984-1993. Is that a cause for alarm? No. Because 15 of those remaining TV weeks had a Savage match. 10 of the remaining TV weeks had a Bobby Heenan guy match building up a Hogan challenger. 10 of the remaining TV weeks was anchored by the tag title story. The last 7 weeks would feature some of the biggest stars they took from other territories.

    You're showing your recency bias by saying these doom and gloom things about a strategy that's worked incredibly well historically. Just because Hangman didn't work this PPV, doesn't mean the viewing audience has totally forgotten who he was. He still retains all of his value. Same with Cody / et all. Now I'm not saying AEW has things balanced perfectly by any means. There is room to improve for sure. But to assert that people like Ricky Starks that didn't make the PPV is now so far down the pecking order fans can't / won't care about them is so off the mark it's not even funny. Did fans of the 80s expansion forget about Savage or Steamboat (comparable to Stark's current position) if they didn't have a PPV match? Of course not.

    The truth is they are booking in a way you are not familiar with. You can certainly have an opinion on if you like it or not. But to state arguments framed about how they are doing it "wrong" or making "mistakes" or that they are going to "fail like TNA & WCW did" is just being historically ignorant. They may still fail. But it's not going to be because some of their good talent miss PPVs sometimes. Or because they signed too many great attractions.

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  4. 18 minutes ago, Bryan said:

    Literally no one compared what happened at All Out to TNA. 

    What I and others have said is that they have a lot of WWE guys and if you keep adding a bunch more it’ll be embracing the TNA meme: “Look Taz it’s [insert modified WWE wrestler name] in the Impact Zone. And the released guys appearing lose their luster because almost everyone shows up.

    Right now, everyone speculates about people going to AEW but I think they’ve actually been very selective and done a good job so far. So you don’t assume everyone is showing up so aren’t sure who will show up.

    They didn’t need to sign Zach Ryder because he was friends with Cody, and I don’t think they need to sign Kevin Owens because he’s friends with the Young Bucks either.

    In my opinion, they already have a loaded roster (especially for only having 3 hours of tv a week) and so should now focus on elevating their homegrown talent over the next year with the newcomers instead of bringing in more WWE guys.

    The TNA meme is inaccurate tho. Especially since the original instance of this was WCW. They signed a shiiittttttt ton of WWE guys between 1994-1996. Hogan wasn't alone. It was Hogan, Bossman, Earthquake, Duggan, Nasty Boys, Brutus, Honkytonk Man, & Savage. Then Nitro starts with Luger. Then the hits keep on coming. Hall & Nash. Plus random undercard guys showing up out of nowhere like Martel & Janetty on a consistent basis.

    So the TNA talking point is clearly just for those not well versed in the history of wrestling. This is the strategy that wins. You get as many guys with TV hours under their belt as possible to mix in with top tier original guys. That's what creates the spark. Known dudes in a new environment vs the brand new hotness. nWo Hogan vs Sting. TNA was following the right plan, they just had terrible writing and kept shooting themselves in the foot with shitty management. That first Hogan show got 1.4 million viewers. It's just they couldn't sustain it with Russo's shit writing and Dixie's shit management.

    The method was fine, it was their unique brand of awful management that ruined it. Not the method of signing known quantities. And the quicker people stop with this uneducated hot take, the better off we will all be.

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  5. Guys. The steps have pegs that slide into place. It's not a weight issue. He was trying to lift the steps before the pegs were slid out. They are 25 pounds max. They are aluminum and a total work. Think of something you hang on the wall. It has the large opening for the screw, then you slide it down to the smaller area to lock it into place. That's how the steps connect.

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  6. 18 hours ago, Technico Support said:

    Maybe it differs from arena to arena, but why would WWE need to drop 20k on catering per show?  It's not like modern arenas only have warmed over hot dogs, stale popcorn from garbage bags, and lukewarm Coors Light.  I attended a corporate luxury box thing at the DC arena a while back and the food, ostensibly made at the building, was pretty damn good. 

    I mean holy fuck, you don't need to be Wolfgang Puck to roll up some sirloin in a tortilla with a side of ketchup, pretty much Vince's litmus test for quality.

    Keep in mind it's not the buildings proving this stuff. It's a separate catering company that travels around with them using their own product and cooking equipment. You have to be at the building by 1PM on TV days and you're not supposed to leave. So you spend legitimately almost 12 hours on TV days at the buildings. And these are big beefy athletes in most cases along with the crews and production and office works. Getting 2-3 wrestler sized meals a day. With huge variety of things offered. Because you gotta have the clean food for the body guys, but the camera guys and stage builders don't want grilled chicken. They want real food. 20k per TV day is not at all shocking to me.

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  7. Disagree. After years of struggle Rey climbed the mountain and became the world champion. And in doing so was booked as if he was at the bottom of the mountain, not the top. He was always a flashy underdog that didn't win every match. But he was never a jobber that lost every single match he wrestled. He went from flashy underdog to enhancement talent with a shiny accessory. That doesn't create intrigue. It makes Rey less valuable. It makes your title less valuable. And it makes the next champion less valuable when you win the title off of a guy on a 50 match losing streak. Who does that help?

    Now Rey was over before the title win, during the title win, and after. But that is irrelevant. It was poor booking with no positives for anyone involved. You're supposed to be creating stories that people want to see. No one wants to see likable flashy underdog who finally won the world champion, treated as unworthy of the big accomplishment he finally achieved.

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  8. 1 hour ago, eikerir said:


    Looks much better with the NXT logo than with the WWE one it originally had.

    Also looks better because the traditional black strap is much better than a purple strap. But I do agree, the NXT logo center plate is more visually appealing than the WWE logo one.

    Wonder if all the titles are gonna get rainbow paint splatter straps and new plates with the updated logos for the transition.

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  9. I think all it takes is seeing the post Mania booking to see that wasn't the plan. In theory I could go with your premise. But the fact that the second he won the title he started losing all the time, doesn't really line up with the him being protected / lined up for a big push. It comes off as it was. Vince was begrudgingly pushed into the feel good story and in retaliation he booked Mysterio as way too much of an afterthought as a champion.

    I get that characters are different and Mysterio worked because he was always the underdog. Like just because Rey won they shouldn't have started booking him like Super Cena. But they went all the way the other way with it. He lost every single non title match he was in just about. That's not how you book someone you had meaningful plans for. It was the right call to put the title on Rey, he was ready. But the way it happened probably hurt his career more than it helped him. At least he got that second reign that lasted almost a whole episode of Raw during The Summer of Punk.

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  10. I do think he can last 45mins. Maybe if he had a super fast paced cruiser style to begin with I could see that as an issue. Or if he hadn't been working on any cardio since he left. But MMA training is grueling on cardio. So his normal style, being able to spend a few minutes here and there soaking in the most likely crazy loud crowd reactions, a couple breaks for each overtime... I think he'd be fine. A lot of what I expect the match to be is the old Michaels vs Diesel strategy of a pinball bumping around a stationary object. I don't mean that as a slight. I mean that as in Darby will be doing all kinds of craziness and most of Punk's stuff will be counters to the craziness / trying to slow him down. Take a full minute or two to setup his top rope elbow, he misses, big sell, Darby pinballs a series of offense. Ends with him missing. More selling / holy shit chants for the crash & burns. I think Darby is the perfect guy for his return match to be against in that sense.

    I'd be less confident if it wasn't in Chicago. But that crowd is gonna be giving Punk everything they got and that adrenaline can carry a dude.

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  11. If it's me, Darby vs Punk main events. You have a 30 minute time limit. They go to a draw. 5 more minutes. It's still a draw. Second over time and one of them wins clean. Take your pick. This protects them both as virtual equals. I'd go with Punk over. Darby gets made to look equal and can survive the loss. Punk gets the story beat of "wow do I still have it? Sure I won, but just fucking barely." Then the handshake. Post match 2.0 & Garcia beat down. PPV ends on Bryan Danielson making the save and beating the shit out of Daniel Garcia for our enjoyment.

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  12. 10 hours ago, just drew said:

    The Bucks aren’t intimidating. I don’t know why that’s a controversial opinion. They look like fucking dweebs who only stand out because of their opponents complete cooperation. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if they didn’t try to carry themselves as though they were the Steiner brothers. Yet so many folks seem to be willing to throw any reasonable standard of suspension of disbelief out the window when it comes to the Bucks because they do cool flippydoo shit in between not selling and shitty strikes. 
     

    Also, it feels like anyone who says “are we still having the size argument in 2021” is just saying what all tiny people say. At the end of the day, it doesn’t feel possible to accept the young bucks as the characters they’re so desperately attempting to play without throwing every convention regarding what makes someone successful at athletics right out the window.

    I've skipped over like 5 posts of your that I had the initial reaction to reply to, but this one is just a bridge too far. We get it, you don't like The Young Bucks. You don't have to like them. Like who you like. But you're just making up fucking lies at this point. Like who you like or whatever but I'm just kindly asking you to also do that while living in actual reality. In no way shape or form have The Young Bucks ever been presented as Steiner like. In no way are The Young Bucks reminiscence of The Mulkies. The Young Bucks are not body guys, but they don't have bad bodies by any means. And your stupid raging on their bodies is some weird body dis-morphia in your head shit. They are bigger than Punk, Darby, Bryan, Starks, and a bunch of other people.

    (Also TNT didn't cancel Nitro because of nWo beat downs. From January 1999 - March of 2001 there were exactly 2 months of nWo existing. Jan 1999 Finger poke version, Jan 2000 Bret version. And both were short lived and had nothing to do with the actual reasons WCW got sold / canceled.)

    Take a step back and chill out with your rants man. You make a lot of good posts here and everyone enjoys interacting with you. Except on this Bucks shit. Let. it. Go.

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  13. 1 hour ago, RIPPA said:

    Sean Payton said today that the Saints are planning on being out of New Orleans for a month

    They are currently practicing in Dallas and the current thought is the Packers/Saints Week 1 game will be moved to Dallas (since the Cowboys open at Tampa)

    New Orleans is on the road Week 2 and 3. They hope to play in the Superdome in Week 4 against the Giants.

    The Superdome didn't sustain any structural damage but the city itself needs to have the infrastructure in place for a NFL Game to be hosted there

    As someone who has tickets for that Giants vs Saints game a flight & hotel already booked... yeah I'm uhh... very hopeful they play that game there. Otherwise I'm going to be a very grumpy man.

  14. I'm going to go ahead and step away from the conversation. I'm just not going to be able to express my point in a mature rational way conductive to continuing the conversation. I'll just leave it at this, hope no one on the other side of this conversation spends 18 years of their life working towards a life goal that just disappears over night.

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    45 minutes ago, Eivion said:

    Also I don't think I ever took a shot at indys so I'm not sure where that came.

    Direct quote taken from your first reply:

    16 hours ago, Eivion said:

    Just because they went to WWE first instead of going to a small time indy to work their way up doesn't really mean their dedication and hard work is any less per say.

     

    47 minutes ago, Eivion said:

    Why are you going back 13-16 years ago to Ace looking for models? I'm talking about all the training camps they have been doing since the PC was established. Pretty sure most if not all of the non-wrestlers from these have been athletes. I think Angle, Corbin, Ford, Dawkins, Braun, etc. were/are pretty talented though mileage may very depending on what you are looking for.

    The training camps they have run since the performance center has been in operation had been diverse camps that had some athletes with no experience, rookies that have been fully trained with a solid look, and veteran talent from all over. Even the one they did in Vegas last week had some actual professional wrestlers in it. Going by their own wording, that's not how they are going to do it anymore. Again the exact phrase is find people with the look and train them from the ground up. That's exactly what they were doing 13-16 years ago all the way up until Triple H took lead and created the performance center. That hasn't been what they've been doing since 2013ish. While they have signed some people with no experience since then, that wasn't their *only focus* like it will be now.

     

    52 minutes ago, Eivion said:

    The problem is everything you are saying roots in baseless speculation from the idea that no one of that level will turn up purely because they are limiting what they are looking for, to the idea that we would get people of that level for sure w/o limits even with WWE's current general booking/writing issues, to idea that knowledge and experience won't be picked up working in WWE.

    I disagree. It's not baseless speculation. It's going by exactly what they are saying and applying that to other time periods. If they had this same practice in place in the late 90s they wouldn't have hired Foley or Austin or Triple H or Kane. They would have hired a shit ton more of Brakkus. If you want to take a wait and see approach to it you're more than welcome to. But I'm sure as hell not interested in the timeline where they just hire 100 more Brakkus dudes and reject anyone that had previous experience from that era. And just as it's a crazy proposition for the 1990s, it's also a crazy proposition for the 2020s.

    And to your second point, The Ringmaster sure found a way to break through the 1995 / 1996 bad booking and writing issues. I get that now and then isn't an apples to apples comparison. But you don't seem to get you're disqualifying a shit ton of really talented men & women with the potential to break through all of that due to experience and knowledge. They are point blank saying yes we know this is professional wrestling, but if you have even done professional wrestling you can not be a competent professional wrestler. It's asinine.

  16. 15 hours ago, Eivion said:

    Except people have been bemoaning them signing and treatment of indy talent for a while and with AEW and others around I'm not sure why they want any of their favorites in WWE at this point anyways.

    This is probably the best explanation I have seen for this though many here kind of give the impression they have always hated WWE half the time save for this one person/period here.

    Except this is a pretty shitty comparison. They aren't finding randoms with no interest. They are going after people with athletic backgrounds who do have an interest. Just because they went to WWE first instead of going to a small time indy to work their way up doesn't really mean their dedication and hard work is any less per say.

    That last comment is a pretty good example of what has been talked about people who aren't anti-WWE getting insulted for it. Can you honestly say there was a real point to that other than to try and piss me off?

    I'll start out by addressing my last comment. You are allowed to like what you like. It's a bit baffling to me personally that you are carrying water for this new policy. But even still I shouldn't have taken the Stockholm Syndrome shot. I apologize. In my head that wasn't me taking a shot at what you like (on screen) and was me taking a shot at you being okay with this (crazy) new hiring policy. But taking shots at all is unnecessary.


    "They aren't finding randoms with no interest." They are actually. You don't remember the stories of Johnny Ace going through modeling catalogs looking for attractive people to hire in the late 00s? Sure there are athletes that aspire to be wrestlers that can apply and get a shot in a tryout. But this new policy is also very similar to the old policy. Find people with the look and train them from the ground up. My actual point is, they aren't good at doing that. And if you disagree I'm gonna need some examples from you. Big E & Bianca are about the only ones I can come up with who are good and have no real previous experience. But Big E & Bianca are two names out of probably 200 attempts at this point.

    My point about previous experience still stands. Are you okay with losing out on potential Stone Colds, Undertakers, Mick Foleys, ect? Those diamonds in the rough that could be mega stars with a few character tweaks or given the right gimmick. You're not gonna get any of those anymore. You're gonna get 1,000 Ricky Ortiz dudes. 1,000 Omos dudes. 1,000 Candace Michelles. Bland people with no knowledge of what to do in certain situations when they have to deviate from the plan. They have no knowledge or experience to listen to a crowd and change up what is happening to get that reaction. You can take a shot at "small time indys" or whatever (which I find offensive), but the point remains getting real reps where you're own you own to figure out what works or doesn't work is far more valuable than having a script to follow and when that doesn't work panicking and having them call the match for you from the back, through communicating with the ref's IFB.

    If this policy was live in the 80s you wouldn't have gotten Hogan or Savage or Piper. In the 90s no Bret Hart, or Shawn Michaels or Steve Austin. In the 2000s no Cena, no CM Punk, no Daniel Bryan. We'll never know what awesome dudes we lose out on in the 2020s & 2030s because they won't exist.

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  17. 2 hours ago, Eivion said:

    I don't really get why people get annoyed at WWE preferring to produce in house. What is wrong with wanting to train people from the ground up instead of breaking what might be deemed bad habits and then teaching to wrestle WWE's style?

    The bad habits talking point is real. But 95% of bad habits aren't things that are wrong or dangerous. They are edicts from an eccentric erratic billionaire. Like we gotta teach them to say championship opportunity. Title match is too rasslin pal. A belt is what holds your pants up, it's called a championship title. Shit like that. And to do your rest holds / submission attempts / final pinfall facing the hardcam. Majority of those habits are already taught at legitimate schools or you pickup working with vets. It's an over rated talking point.

     

    2 hours ago, AxB said:

    The thing about WWE is, it's monotonous and formulaic. And a lot of the best matches in recent WWE history have been good because they broke the formula. Which is going to be harder to do, with people who have never worked outside of it.

    This is so true. And it's not only a good match issue. The best characters are the ones that go against the grain. Stone Cold is certainly better than The Ringmaster as an example. When everything is smashed through that same mold, you aren't going to get a lot of variety. I think Orton is one of the best at the house style out there. But just because I enjoy him doing it well doesn't mean I want to sit through 10 more matches of dudes way worse than him just doing the same shit.

     

    2 hours ago, Eivion said:

    I mean if you don't like WWE's style I'm not sure why you are watching then in the first place. Its not going change to something else entirely.

    The same reason people pull for a sports team for years and years, even when mismanaged. There's a love for the idea of what they are supposed to represent even if that's not what they represent in the present. A want to see them reclaim their former glory. I wasn't a big Hogan fan as a kid, but I'll be damned if The Mega Powers rise and explosion wasn't well crafted story telling that kept me gripped. I'd assume most people watching that don't enjoy it, yearn for it to be good again.

    It's just the dumbest fucking idea ever. Compare it to any other learned craft / skill / profession and see if it sounds any less ridiculous. Hey pal you're a very pretty man, want to be a plumber? No experience? Perfect! Hey mam, you have one hell of an athletic background. Want to be an emergency room surgeon? No experience? Perfect! There's a reason the best -at anything- are the best. They love it and they dedicate their life to leaning about it. Hard work. Dedication. Experience. All moot in WWE going forward. What a bland company they will have 3-5 years down the road.

    I mean if you want your emergency surgeon to have zero experience before signing onto a hospital and "learning their craft" more power to you. Sounds like you have a bit of the Stockholm Syndrome to me. Especially when the system WWE has setup to teach is currently batting about .100 with the success of the the prospects they send up .

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  18. If that is the new logo it sure as hell fits the new paint by numbers approach to wrestling they have.

    Death metal skull logo to nickelodeon logo is quite the change of pace too.

  19. Hulk Hogan had prior experience. Ric Flair had prior experience. The Undertaker had prior experience. Steve Austin had prior experience. John Cena had prior experience. Mick Foley had prior experience. Triple H had prior experience. Big Show had prior experience. Kane had prior experience. Batista had prior experience. Edge had prior experience. Becky Lynch had prior experience. Sasha Banks had prior experience. Bayley had prior experience. Gonna miss out on a lot of potential great additions to their roster with this stupid new plan.

    I get that they have had some hits on training people from the ground up. I'm sure they count The Rock but that isn't fair because he's 2nd generation and learned a ton before they trained him. Same with Randy Orton. Kurt Angle & Brock Lesnar count but had a solid amateur wrestling base before WWE, so they already had half the physical part down. Even if you count all 4 of these guys, that was about 2 decades ago. OVW isn't a thing anymore. The only two big stars that come to mind from the NXT system that had no prior experience are... Charlotte & Reigns. Both of which... are second generation stars who absorbed a shit ton growing up.

    Can anyone point to a legitimate instance of someone "moving the needle" having only been trained by NXT? Specifically someone that isn't a second or third generation athlete? Like seriously. Who are they trying to create? If it's Brocks & Angles... uhh okay you'll two or three shots with freak amateur athletes. if it's Charlotte & Reigns... uhh okay you'll have 5-10 chances on pro wrestler's offspring. But who the fuck did they ever make that didn't have any wrestling experience? Who is the biggest ground up name they produced through NXT? Big E? How many random athletes off the street have that personality and charisma? Of all the others like him, how many can be on Big E's level? 1 in 10? 1 in 100? 1 in 1,000?

    This is stupid fucking policy and I will love watching it fail.
    -Signed a wrestler with previous experience.

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  20. 37 minutes ago, Infinit said:

    Shiiiiit....I remember those outdoor Worldwides at MGM looking mad cool. Looking forward to see their interpretation of studio/Universal Studios wrestling. 

    Hate to be the Debbie Downer, but won't it just be in a studio ala TNA? I don't think it will be outdoors as an attraction like the Nitros they did. Will probably be like Worldwide inside with the rotating ring.

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  21. 2 hours ago, AxB said:

    So Excalibur and Taz have to fly out to TV on Wednesdays and Fridays, and then go to Orlando to do Dark tapings on what used to be their days off as well? Or are they going to do the WCW Worldwide thing and tape months' worth of Dark at a time?

    I have no idea what the capabilities are as far as AEW's production truck / having a recording room available. But it's also possible they can record the commentary on Dynamite & Rampage days in their down time. Call time is like 1PM and Taz & Excalibur have plenty of time to voice the next week's Dark episode / Tony & Show for Elevation before Dynamite goes live. Would save them a travel day / off day doing it that way. Not quite as good as doing it live and being able to feel the emotion. But it's Dark & Elevation, these are mostly enhancement matches. So that's probably not a big concern.

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  22. 45 minutes ago, Shartnado said:

    Why didn't Billy want to name one of his boys "Love", if he wanted clever names? That is an actual Swedish name, I think? Or maybe "Schott"?

    Love Sopp is about the worst possible shoot name in the history of humanity, so maybe that's why lol.

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  23. 1 hour ago, just drew said:

    Also, I’m not sure what I did to deserve that level of condescension, but kindly eat a bag of dicks.

    Harsh. I didn't intend it to come out snarky or condescending so if it came across that way my bad. Can I at least get some ranch to dip the dicks in?

    WWE doesn't pay for any trans or any hotels, even for Mania week. They just designate the hotel the guys have to stay at that week so there isn't as much commingling with fans. Like a team hotel for an away team in the NFL. They don't foot the bill for it. Independent contractors and all. They only pay for the plane tickets.

    A hotel is like $250 a day. You do that x 14 (two weeks) $3,500 per talent. So it's way less expensive to fly them in & out, even if they are there the next two weeks, than it is to foot the bill and put them up in a "team hotel". Plus these people have families. They don't wanna have to be on the road for two weeks away from loved ones and not even working. Just based on location.

    But regardless sorry that first post came across condescending. Didn't intend it, and tried to make sure this one wasn't as roughly worded.

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