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  1. I'm going to go ahead and step away from the conversation. I'm just not going to be able to express my point in a mature rational way conductive to continuing the conversation. I'll just leave it at this, hope no one on the other side of this conversation spends 18 years of their life working towards a life goal that just disappears over night.
  2. Direct quote taken from your first reply: The training camps they have run since the performance center has been in operation had been diverse camps that had some athletes with no experience, rookies that have been fully trained with a solid look, and veteran talent from all over. Even the one they did in Vegas last week had some actual professional wrestlers in it. Going by their own wording, that's not how they are going to do it anymore. Again the exact phrase is find people with the look and train them from the ground up. That's exactly what they were doing 13-16 years ago all the way up until Triple H took lead and created the performance center. That hasn't been what they've been doing since 2013ish. While they have signed some people with no experience since then, that wasn't their *only focus* like it will be now. I disagree. It's not baseless speculation. It's going by exactly what they are saying and applying that to other time periods. If they had this same practice in place in the late 90s they wouldn't have hired Foley or Austin or Triple H or Kane. They would have hired a shit ton more of Brakkus. If you want to take a wait and see approach to it you're more than welcome to. But I'm sure as hell not interested in the timeline where they just hire 100 more Brakkus dudes and reject anyone that had previous experience from that era. And just as it's a crazy proposition for the 1990s, it's also a crazy proposition for the 2020s. And to your second point, The Ringmaster sure found a way to break through the 1995 / 1996 bad booking and writing issues. I get that now and then isn't an apples to apples comparison. But you don't seem to get you're disqualifying a shit ton of really talented men & women with the potential to break through all of that due to experience and knowledge. They are point blank saying yes we know this is professional wrestling, but if you have even done professional wrestling you can not be a competent professional wrestler. It's asinine.
  3. I'll start out by addressing my last comment. You are allowed to like what you like. It's a bit baffling to me personally that you are carrying water for this new policy. But even still I shouldn't have taken the Stockholm Syndrome shot. I apologize. In my head that wasn't me taking a shot at what you like (on screen) and was me taking a shot at you being okay with this (crazy) new hiring policy. But taking shots at all is unnecessary. "They aren't finding randoms with no interest." They are actually. You don't remember the stories of Johnny Ace going through modeling catalogs looking for attractive people to hire in the late 00s? Sure there are athletes that aspire to be wrestlers that can apply and get a shot in a tryout. But this new policy is also very similar to the old policy. Find people with the look and train them from the ground up. My actual point is, they aren't good at doing that. And if you disagree I'm gonna need some examples from you. Big E & Bianca are about the only ones I can come up with who are good and have no real previous experience. But Big E & Bianca are two names out of probably 200 attempts at this point. My point about previous experience still stands. Are you okay with losing out on potential Stone Colds, Undertakers, Mick Foleys, ect? Those diamonds in the rough that could be mega stars with a few character tweaks or given the right gimmick. You're not gonna get any of those anymore. You're gonna get 1,000 Ricky Ortiz dudes. 1,000 Omos dudes. 1,000 Candace Michelles. Bland people with no knowledge of what to do in certain situations when they have to deviate from the plan. They have no knowledge or experience to listen to a crowd and change up what is happening to get that reaction. You can take a shot at "small time indys" or whatever (which I find offensive), but the point remains getting real reps where you're own you own to figure out what works or doesn't work is far more valuable than having a script to follow and when that doesn't work panicking and having them call the match for you from the back, through communicating with the ref's IFB. If this policy was live in the 80s you wouldn't have gotten Hogan or Savage or Piper. In the 90s no Bret Hart, or Shawn Michaels or Steve Austin. In the 2000s no Cena, no CM Punk, no Daniel Bryan. We'll never know what awesome dudes we lose out on in the 2020s & 2030s because they won't exist.
  4. The bad habits talking point is real. But 95% of bad habits aren't things that are wrong or dangerous. They are edicts from an eccentric erratic billionaire. Like we gotta teach them to say championship opportunity. Title match is too rasslin pal. A belt is what holds your pants up, it's called a championship title. Shit like that. And to do your rest holds / submission attempts / final pinfall facing the hardcam. Majority of those habits are already taught at legitimate schools or you pickup working with vets. It's an over rated talking point. This is so true. And it's not only a good match issue. The best characters are the ones that go against the grain. Stone Cold is certainly better than The Ringmaster as an example. When everything is smashed through that same mold, you aren't going to get a lot of variety. I think Orton is one of the best at the house style out there. But just because I enjoy him doing it well doesn't mean I want to sit through 10 more matches of dudes way worse than him just doing the same shit. The same reason people pull for a sports team for years and years, even when mismanaged. There's a love for the idea of what they are supposed to represent even if that's not what they represent in the present. A want to see them reclaim their former glory. I wasn't a big Hogan fan as a kid, but I'll be damned if The Mega Powers rise and explosion wasn't well crafted story telling that kept me gripped. I'd assume most people watching that don't enjoy it, yearn for it to be good again. It's just the dumbest fucking idea ever. Compare it to any other learned craft / skill / profession and see if it sounds any less ridiculous. Hey pal you're a very pretty man, want to be a plumber? No experience? Perfect! Hey mam, you have one hell of an athletic background. Want to be an emergency room surgeon? No experience? Perfect! There's a reason the best -at anything- are the best. They love it and they dedicate their life to leaning about it. Hard work. Dedication. Experience. All moot in WWE going forward. What a bland company they will have 3-5 years down the road. I mean if you want your emergency surgeon to have zero experience before signing onto a hospital and "learning their craft" more power to you. Sounds like you have a bit of the Stockholm Syndrome to me. Especially when the system WWE has setup to teach is currently batting about .100 with the success of the the prospects they send up .
  5. If that is the new logo it sure as hell fits the new paint by numbers approach to wrestling they have. Death metal skull logo to nickelodeon logo is quite the change of pace too.
  6. Hulk Hogan had prior experience. Ric Flair had prior experience. The Undertaker had prior experience. Steve Austin had prior experience. John Cena had prior experience. Mick Foley had prior experience. Triple H had prior experience. Big Show had prior experience. Kane had prior experience. Batista had prior experience. Edge had prior experience. Becky Lynch had prior experience. Sasha Banks had prior experience. Bayley had prior experience. Gonna miss out on a lot of potential great additions to their roster with this stupid new plan. I get that they have had some hits on training people from the ground up. I'm sure they count The Rock but that isn't fair because he's 2nd generation and learned a ton before they trained him. Same with Randy Orton. Kurt Angle & Brock Lesnar count but had a solid amateur wrestling base before WWE, so they already had half the physical part down. Even if you count all 4 of these guys, that was about 2 decades ago. OVW isn't a thing anymore. The only two big stars that come to mind from the NXT system that had no prior experience are... Charlotte & Reigns. Both of which... are second generation stars who absorbed a shit ton growing up. Can anyone point to a legitimate instance of someone "moving the needle" having only been trained by NXT? Specifically someone that isn't a second or third generation athlete? Like seriously. Who are they trying to create? If it's Brocks & Angles... uhh okay you'll two or three shots with freak amateur athletes. if it's Charlotte & Reigns... uhh okay you'll have 5-10 chances on pro wrestler's offspring. But who the fuck did they ever make that didn't have any wrestling experience? Who is the biggest ground up name they produced through NXT? Big E? How many random athletes off the street have that personality and charisma? Of all the others like him, how many can be on Big E's level? 1 in 10? 1 in 100? 1 in 1,000? This is stupid fucking policy and I will love watching it fail. -Signed a wrestler with previous experience.
  7. Hate to be the Debbie Downer, but won't it just be in a studio ala TNA? I don't think it will be outdoors as an attraction like the Nitros they did. Will probably be like Worldwide inside with the rotating ring.
  8. I have no idea what the capabilities are as far as AEW's production truck / having a recording room available. But it's also possible they can record the commentary on Dynamite & Rampage days in their down time. Call time is like 1PM and Taz & Excalibur have plenty of time to voice the next week's Dark episode / Tony & Show for Elevation before Dynamite goes live. Would save them a travel day / off day doing it that way. Not quite as good as doing it live and being able to feel the emotion. But it's Dark & Elevation, these are mostly enhancement matches. So that's probably not a big concern.
  9. Love Sopp is about the worst possible shoot name in the history of humanity, so maybe that's why lol.
  10. Harsh. I didn't intend it to come out snarky or condescending so if it came across that way my bad. Can I at least get some ranch to dip the dicks in? WWE doesn't pay for any trans or any hotels, even for Mania week. They just designate the hotel the guys have to stay at that week so there isn't as much commingling with fans. Like a team hotel for an away team in the NFL. They don't foot the bill for it. Independent contractors and all. They only pay for the plane tickets. A hotel is like $250 a day. You do that x 14 (two weeks) $3,500 per talent. So it's way less expensive to fly them in & out, even if they are there the next two weeks, than it is to foot the bill and put them up in a "team hotel". Plus these people have families. They don't wanna have to be on the road for two weeks away from loved ones and not even working. Just based on location. But regardless sorry that first post came across condescending. Didn't intend it, and tried to make sure this one wasn't as roughly worded.
  11. You know that's not how it works right? Talent don't stay in a city for weeks with nothing to do. They fly in for the event. Then they fly home the next day. Everyone that worked Rampage flew out on Saturday. And generally they fly in just about everyone to Dynamite, even if they aren't booked. That way they have them there to film promotional stuff in their downtime / in case something comes up and they need to use people that weren't originally written into the show. Do you know how much money the boys would lose paying for their own hotel rooms for two weeks straight waiting for All Out weekend?? lol
  12. Yeah I think you're right. My brain blocked everything with potential and only remembered Wingmen / Factory guys lol. That match should be solid.
  13. Don't get why they're mailing in this episode. This is Punk's first advertised appearance and they're swinging for the fences with... The Factory, The Wingmen, The Gunn Club, and Brock Anderson all having matches? If they wanted to dial it back and not use a lot of the big names for whatever reason, they could have at least showcased the young dudes Punk has put over. Have a Hobbs match, have a Varsity Blonds match, have a Ricky Starks match. At least thematically that would make sense. It'll also be interesting to see how Rampage does this week. I believe it's being taped tonight after Dynamite (they don't have a Friday live event listed anywhere). Let's see if the audience tunes in when spoilers are out there for it. Maybe they stack Rampage with the big names hoping that's how you counter the spoilers? I don't know, after how awesome Punk's debut was last week, this week seems like a big step back.
  14. The person throwing in this spot is responsible for grabbing behind the person's head and tucking it for them on the throw. Goldberg just put his hand on Lashley's throat and never tucked his head for him. That's why he didn't get that tight flip like Flair always got and instead lawn darts on to his shoulder. Has nothing to do with size of the guy taking nor giving, it's all about the proper technique. Goldberg didn't do his end properly. And I doubt that's a spot Lashley takes often, so he may not have known the correct way it's done either. The blame is probably on the agent that suggested they use that spot and then didn't get across the proper way to do it.
  15. I like seeing @Burgundy LaRueposts. They don't always line up with my opinions. But that's good to see. Sometimes a group think thing happens and we're all worse off for it. Plus putting more positivity out into the world is never a bad thing. I'm one voice in a sea of many. But I want to throw my support to the like what you like movement as well. Just don't expect others to have to like what you like too. That's where the disconnect is (at least from what I'm gleaning). Pro WWE people are allowed to like whatever they like. Anti WWE people are allowed to dislike whatever they dislike. Beating up on a pro WWE opinion is just as bad as beating up on an anti WWE opinion. I'm honestly jealous of the pro WWE fans and wish I still enjoyed most of what's on my screen like they do. But bashing people for their opinions (being anti WWE) is literally the same thing you are rallying against. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. I don't wanna feel like I have to bite my tongue if my opinion isn't over the top sugary sweet praise. So I empathize with how you feel on the other end of the spectrum (feeling the need to bite your tongue for praising the stuff you like). I think we'd all be better off if we just accept that no one here has more power in their opinion than anyone else. They're all equal. And everyone should feel free to post what they want to post and stop complaining about the opinions of their opinions. My only request is for us all is to move past this meta opinions of opions talking point. I love seeing Burgundy posts. So please keep posting your true opinions. Let's all just agree to stop dissecting our opinions of other poster's opinions and all that. Thank you for coming to me TED talk.
  16. I know this is a typo, but time traveling Edge going back in time 200 years is a hell of a story pitch. I'm in lol.
  17. Reading through this sparked a few hot takes to formulate in my mind. -Something Gregg said stuck with me. Charlotte is great. She almost always has killer matches. But the majority of us don't care and are sick of her. I mean he's right. She's an awesome worker. But WWE just over expose even the best of the best and grind down our desire to see them because they're always fucking around. Makes me realize if any of our favorites from bygone eras were in this era, we'd probably get annoyed by them too. It's a real problem hindering my enjoyment of these shows. -WCW 1999 & 2000. Once the general opinion becomes your show is shitty to watch and we don't care, it's very hard to work that stink off. Sure WWE sold 46,000 tickets last night. But how many of them actually enjoyed what they saw? Using drew's example, they just lost someone that was hardcore into the product to the point of flying out to see a Sasha vs Bianca rematch. With a real true alternative giving the crowd exactly what they want, the wheels of momentum are already turning. And it's going to take A LOT of work to re-write the (mostly accurate) narrative of how bad WWE has gotten. -History repeating it's self. Moxley / Jericho in the Hogan & Savage roles. Jumped in 1994 and made them a legitimate national promotion that can make toy deals and what not. No longer a regional thing (or a just startup). Now Hogan & Savage jumping didn't win the war. But they were the first steps on the momentum train. 1995 Nitro / Dynamite starts. 1996 Hall & Nash (Punk & Bryan) jump. Two legitimately over current era dudes. If they get a spark like the Hogan turn & nWo formation, WWE is in trouble. Cringe drip stick segments = Hog Pen Matches. Just running the most cartoonish uncool shit possible vs the real living breathing pulse the other guys have. -Sasha. I get the jump to Rona takes. It's where my head went too. But her out dining in public kind of puts a nail in that. So the last few female performers that had weird medical flags come up, what were they? We Charlotte had a false positive pregnancy medically disqualify her for a bit. Becky legit found out she was pregnant. So that's where my mind is at. She also posted a tweet about it being a great day the other day. Baseless speculation? Yup. But makes more sense than the Rona stuff to me. -Bianca burial. No excuse for that shit man. I get that Becky was a last minute replacement and she probably didn't have the confidence to work a full match coming back with a month or two less prep time than she planned for. But do better than that. Let Bianca work a short match with Carmela. Let Becky come out and face off and all that as your make good surprise. Just such a tone def decision. -Edge. Loved The Brood entrance. But wish he would have kept the persona and not shed it half way through his entrance. This return for Edge has been a total miss for me. He was never super a intense monster man before. So why is he that now? I don't want Edge doing Benoit cosplay. I want Edge working like Edge. Dial back the crazy eyes and intense "tough guy" shit my dude. Go back to being the laid back slime ball opportunist. Just a total disconnect for me. Funny. Laid back. Chill. That's the Edge that got over. Not heavy breathing grunting lumberjack Benoit variant.
  18. Fair play, easy money is easy money. I get the sense even for the crazy Saudi money, grumpy ass old Goldberg wouldn't wanna work an extra shot. He seems like he hates everything to do with wrestling. So the bare minimum to get his contracted number is his jam. I did look it up and since he signed that deal it's been 2 matches a year only, no added extra ones. 2019 was the Saudi Taker match and the singles vs Ziggler. 2020 was beating Bray in Saudi then dropping the belt to Strowman at Mania. 2021 is McIntyre at Rumble, Lashley at Summerslam. It seems like an awful lot of trouble for virtually zero gain. But I do believe that has replaced "Anything can happen in the WWF" as the company motto now lol.
  19. I don't have a problem with picture in picture in theory. I have a problem with it in execution. A 2 hour wrestling show only being able to fit one match in complete without a commercial is a little strange. Just asking to tweak the structure a bit. Dont get rid of picture in picture. But can we at least scale it back to only half of the matches stretching out long enough to need a break? It's literally 5 out of 6 matches getting commercials in the middle consistently for at least the last 6 months. A strict rigid formula just gets old to me.
  20. Dynamite has a very rigid structure they adhere to. Every episode has either 5 or 6 matches. I had to look up old Nitro results, because it feels like they try to emulated early / good Nitro with a lot of their structure. But Nitro would normally have anywhere from 8 - 12 matches routinely. And that's during the 2 hour era. I think AEW could get a bit more mileage out of things if they make the format a little more fluid. Scale back the amount of promos. Stick in a quick match or two. And for the love of god structure things a bit better in regards to commercials. All but the opening match usually has a picture in picture break. It's a scripted show, you can script matches to end before commercials sometimes. I really love what AEW is doing, so I hope this doesn't come off too harsh. But sticking to such a rigid formula gets old even when it's people and segments you like. Mix it up a little.
  21. Why is everyone assuming Goldberg is going to win? Isn't he deal structured for two matches per year? So this is his second match of 2021. You guys think they're going to put the world title on Goldberg and let it sit dormant until 2022? He has two matches left on the deal, but none left for this year after the Lashley match. I guess they could have Big E cash in Saturday if Goldberg agreed to that as all part of the one match. But I don't see that as very likely at all.
  22. It'll definitely be interesting to see how they handle it. Because there are schools of thought to go either way. Last week they put the biggest thing on first like a Saturday's Night Main Event. So I'm just gonna guess they start the show off with whatever Punk's deal is. But because Moxley's on last against someone he will beat fairly quickly (not a shot at Garcia, he's the man), I got a feeling they got a second surprise coming. Whatever NJPW guy he is working at All Out surely shows up to confront him, no? It's the biggest crowd they've had yet. Tons of people are already watching for Punk's return. Hit them with a live Tanhashi and it'll blow their minds.
  23. Thanks @tbarrie, that was a great post. I was definitely a bit off in my assumptions. Although I was a bit off the mark, I still stand by there being better technology to go from reasonably confident to factually accurate. And I'd be very interested to see how much of a variance there is between accurate digital readings vs the Nielsen model.
  24. This is one of those things that's kind of nerdy but really interests me. We've been told for decades that the way Nielsen does it's ratings are insanely accurate. But in my mind there's no way that's possible. The average Nielsen viewer counts for 10,000 people. You're going to tell me they have enough data to be confident that customer number 242 watches the exact same TV shows as 10,000 other people from his demographic? There's absolutely no way it can be accurate. Beyond that tho, we are in the year 2021. How have cable & satellite providers not baked in some kind of digital viewership counter?? I know there are parts of the country that still run old school cable without a digital set top box. But they have surely been eclipsed by now. Why doesn't DirecTV, Spetrum, Comcast ect just put digital technology into the boxes that are part of the user agreement that track viewing? That's the crazy part to me. It's certainly possible. And fairly easy to implement compared all the other technologies we have. Yet we still bank on good old customer 242 to have 10,000 friends that watch the same shit he does all day every day.
  25. Would WWE even want him? He's not much in the ring yet being so inexperienced. And he certainly doesn't have the size we're hearing they are requiring again. He's all gimmick, and a gimmick that doesn't work on PG TV.
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