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  1. What are you basing that on? There are guys who have freedom to take any bookings. Like Andrade & Mox & Jericho. But your Evil Unos or Orange Cassidy or whoever can't just show up wherever they want without getting it approved. And that's not a Covid thing. I mean why would the contracts even exist if that were the case? AEW would just pay per appearance. They have contracts to lock dudes in place. TK is cool with pretty much everyone doing outside events tho and making extra money. But like Uno or OC showing up at PWG without getting it okayed isn't a thing. The standard contract guys need approvals for outside bookings. I speak as someone with first hand knowledge of trying to book an AEW contracted talent by the way, no just throwing shit at the wall here lol.
  2. This doesn't erase your point here, but you can't just show up at an indy on a standard AEW contract. It has to be approved. AEW generally has approved all requests so far I think. And there are special circumstances like Andrade & Moxley where they are free to take any date that doesn't conflict with AEW by the nature of the deals they signed. But the standard contracts, you need permission. So it's not like Brian Cage could show up at GCW because he's mad at his spot on the card right now in AEW as a FU to Tony Kahn. Your point still stands, but there's just the extra step. And in the case of dudes no being used, I can't see why they would turn down a request. From what I gather TK is very pro workers and wants to do as much as he can to make as many of them happy. And if working indy shots makes a dude happy, he seems cool with that.
  3. No Mercy game play or bust for me lol. At this point they haven't said anything about even a target release date right? So people in here speculating or being doom & gloom on certain aspects because they think it will be out by All Out next year is a bitttttttt premature. I'm going in to this not expecting it to be released before 2024. To me 5 years to build an engine from the ground up seems about right if you're not rushing it. If it ends up coming out before that (and is actually ready and not rushed) I will be pleasantly surprised. But I'd reserve judgement on pretty much all of it at this point. It's far from a finished or polished product yet. I agree with the jerky motion on the rope bounce arm drag by the way. I just don't think all of the ring and rope physics / weighting of the character models have been implemented yet. They're just like hey guys look how dope these models look. Remember this move? Cool right? And not actually showing in game footage of the engine running yet.
  4. Why would AEW want a mascot named W.C.W. ? Alfred E. Willy is right there.
  5. I think the difference in quality between Raw and Smackdown is easily explained it two steps. One, 2 hour shows are always better than 3 hour shows. Two, Roman & The Bloodline take up a majority of the run time each week, and Roman & Heyman get a big say in how they are used. Beyond that I just want to take a second to mention how weird it is to see people denying there is legitimate competition by talking about shareholders' happiness. I don't watch any TV show or movie caring about the happiness of the shareholders of the content. To me that's a weird way to defend something. Not based on the merit of what you're seeing, but based on the financial stability of those pulling the strings. Just odd man. But you do you.
  6. So basically she is more up to date with wrestling than a good chunk of the board lol
  7. Respectfully I'm just asking what would have been good enough for you? How much of this show should have been dedicated to the history of him? He was shown in the opening recap. Every time the graphic was shown he was verbally put over. Punk took time out of his promo to put him over. His name plate had a written explanation of his history. Would a 30 second promo of Suzuki talking to the camera been a good enough introduction of him? I'm asking these questions because I don't understand the point of view and want to understand it. Suzuki is the simplest of all characters. A legitimate old man shooter badass. I don't know how much more of that could have even been conveyed. Like are you looking for a 3-4 minute mini documentary on his career or clips of previous matches? For instance thinking back to any new additions that have debuted during battle royals / casino ladder matches none of them got any extra explanation. Brian Cage just showed up and they verbally conveyed his character. Ethan Page just showed up and they verbally conveyed his character. Lio Rush just showed up and they just verbally conveyed his character. Ruby Soho just showed up and they just verbally conveyed her character. Suzuki just showed up and they verbally conveyed his character. I just fail to see what's different about him versus everyone else. Because I don't remember anyone saying they needed more explanation on Lio Rush or Brian Cage. On this point I agree. The match was a miss for me. Didn't think it was either guy's best work. But I don't think doing more of an explanation on Suzuki's past or motivations would have changed that. Which is kind of my whole point on this talking point. Gregg insinuated he would have been better vested if he knew more about Suzuki. And I don't think any of what was given to us would have been elevated by more dialogue or backstory.
  8. He has openly joked that he could never pass a wellness test and his piss would melt through a styrofoam cup... so I don't see WWE being an option lol. He's also on record as hating his time in WWE developmental. He's also older than 30 and has previous wrestling experience (which is now frowned upon ).
  9. No, that's a pretty fair shot I'll allow it lol. All I'm saying is this is a wrestling bubble talking point that doesn't exist in regular episodic TV. Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, The Wire, Sons Of Anarchy, Dexter... whatever the episodic TV show is they reward viewers that pay attention. They don't hold anyone's hand and explain why you need to pay attention to whoever. Like Game of Thrones didn't role a clip show to people tuning into the last season to explain who Gendry is while Arya is trying to bang him. They did a recap before the show. If that isn't enough, it's on you to figure it out. And I'm in that boat as well. Sometimes there are things I don't remember and I look it up. AEW already did that opening video. They did a recap of All Out. They did show Suzuki. They talked about him being a multi time world champion. Punk put over he was trained by Karl Gotch. JR put over how surly he is. His name plate had 4 time world champion and New Japan legend. If you need more than that then this isn't the product for you. They aren't gonna slow down to the slowest person's cognitive function (that's not you, I'm meaning in general) and make everyone go at that pace. If that's what you enjoy you won't find it in AEW.
  10. Or maybe AEW just isn't for you? I don't mean that to sound as condescending as it does. But me personally, I can not stand how WWE beats their viewers over the head about every single thing as if we're all first time viewers. So I love AEW not doing constant replays and doing things in hopes of keeping someone new that just clicked the wrong number on the remote. Plus we're in the digital age now. If you wanted to know more about Suzuki, take 10 seconds and type his name into a google search on your phone. At this point you not knowing about him is due to your own laziness, not AEW's presentation. The TV industry does a quick episode recap at the beginning episode. AEW did that. They did the quick recap of what happened at All Out. Beyond that if you have a question it's not out of the realm of possibility to assume you're smart enough to do a google search. Just like if I tuned into Breaking Bad season 4 episode 1 for the first time and wanted to know who Gale Boetticher was (like I just had to do to get the correct spelling).
  11. So clearly Hobbs got a gnarly concussion on that dive, yeah? His head bounced badly on the floor. Took forever to get back in the ring. Was out of place and falling about. Ref & Dante talking to him to call what was left. He forgot to cover on the spinebuster because he was so loopy. Trust me dude, I've been there a bunch. All things considered they kept it from going off the rails. That's a big plus for two guys as inexperienced as they are.
  12. This is a much more rational post. I don't think our opinions are as far off from each other as I first thought. I do concede that there could be a Jericho effect. (In that the top of WCW had a rock solid glass ceiling he knew he had to leave to be a star). But I think it's a stretch because WCW didn't do rotational booking. They ran their top guys on every show and younger guys couldn't get any shine. AEW in that respect is already much different. Punk didn't come in and work Jericho or Moxley, as Hogan did when he worked Flair right away. He came in and worked a young AEW original. So while it could happen, I see less potential for that Jericho effect. AEW's most flattering booking quality is everyone gets some shine and they truly try to present all of their acts as important, not just filler. And Owens really could be pulling an Orton. I wouldn't blame him for it either. I think he would have more fun in AEW. But at a certain point WWE is going to decide they need to open the bank to pay big for some of their top guys to stay. He seems like a guy they would pay big to keep.
  13. I'll grant you TNA failed. But in what world did WCW becoming super successful and over taking the number one spot for about two years (and going from losing money to mega profitable) a failure to you? Yes WCW went out of business. But your narrative isn't the reason why. The purse strings got closed. The handcuffs went onto the creative team. WCW was still kicking ass in 1998, even if WWE had pulled ahead. The corporate mergers / standards & practices handcuffs stopped them from continuing to sign big names and book more reality based gritty realism. They had to tone it down and go more PG on screen and it was not good. Then all the really bad management and booking changes accelerated things. They didn't fail because they signed too many big names. They went out of business because Turner stopped letting Bischoff do his thing without restrictions. And a neutered WCW vs the full on attitude era was a massacre. Another historically inaccurate take. The ultra successful WWE 80s expansion did this exact thing to great success. They rotated all of the big stars so none of them got over exposed. Hogan had less than 10 TV matches per year from 1984-1993. Is that a cause for alarm? No. Because 15 of those remaining TV weeks had a Savage match. 10 of the remaining TV weeks had a Bobby Heenan guy match building up a Hogan challenger. 10 of the remaining TV weeks was anchored by the tag title story. The last 7 weeks would feature some of the biggest stars they took from other territories. You're showing your recency bias by saying these doom and gloom things about a strategy that's worked incredibly well historically. Just because Hangman didn't work this PPV, doesn't mean the viewing audience has totally forgotten who he was. He still retains all of his value. Same with Cody / et all. Now I'm not saying AEW has things balanced perfectly by any means. There is room to improve for sure. But to assert that people like Ricky Starks that didn't make the PPV is now so far down the pecking order fans can't / won't care about them is so off the mark it's not even funny. Did fans of the 80s expansion forget about Savage or Steamboat (comparable to Stark's current position) if they didn't have a PPV match? Of course not. The truth is they are booking in a way you are not familiar with. You can certainly have an opinion on if you like it or not. But to state arguments framed about how they are doing it "wrong" or making "mistakes" or that they are going to "fail like TNA & WCW did" is just being historically ignorant. They may still fail. But it's not going to be because some of their good talent miss PPVs sometimes. Or because they signed too many great attractions.
  14. The TNA meme is inaccurate tho. Especially since the original instance of this was WCW. They signed a shiiittttttt ton of WWE guys between 1994-1996. Hogan wasn't alone. It was Hogan, Bossman, Earthquake, Duggan, Nasty Boys, Brutus, Honkytonk Man, & Savage. Then Nitro starts with Luger. Then the hits keep on coming. Hall & Nash. Plus random undercard guys showing up out of nowhere like Martel & Janetty on a consistent basis. So the TNA talking point is clearly just for those not well versed in the history of wrestling. This is the strategy that wins. You get as many guys with TV hours under their belt as possible to mix in with top tier original guys. That's what creates the spark. Known dudes in a new environment vs the brand new hotness. nWo Hogan vs Sting. TNA was following the right plan, they just had terrible writing and kept shooting themselves in the foot with shitty management. That first Hogan show got 1.4 million viewers. It's just they couldn't sustain it with Russo's shit writing and Dixie's shit management. The method was fine, it was their unique brand of awful management that ruined it. Not the method of signing known quantities. And the quicker people stop with this uneducated hot take, the better off we will all be.
  15. Guys. The steps have pegs that slide into place. It's not a weight issue. He was trying to lift the steps before the pegs were slid out. They are 25 pounds max. They are aluminum and a total work. Think of something you hang on the wall. It has the large opening for the screw, then you slide it down to the smaller area to lock it into place. That's how the steps connect.
  16. Keep in mind it's not the buildings proving this stuff. It's a separate catering company that travels around with them using their own product and cooking equipment. You have to be at the building by 1PM on TV days and you're not supposed to leave. So you spend legitimately almost 12 hours on TV days at the buildings. And these are big beefy athletes in most cases along with the crews and production and office works. Getting 2-3 wrestler sized meals a day. With huge variety of things offered. Because you gotta have the clean food for the body guys, but the camera guys and stage builders don't want grilled chicken. They want real food. 20k per TV day is not at all shocking to me.
  17. Disagree. After years of struggle Rey climbed the mountain and became the world champion. And in doing so was booked as if he was at the bottom of the mountain, not the top. He was always a flashy underdog that didn't win every match. But he was never a jobber that lost every single match he wrestled. He went from flashy underdog to enhancement talent with a shiny accessory. That doesn't create intrigue. It makes Rey less valuable. It makes your title less valuable. And it makes the next champion less valuable when you win the title off of a guy on a 50 match losing streak. Who does that help? Now Rey was over before the title win, during the title win, and after. But that is irrelevant. It was poor booking with no positives for anyone involved. You're supposed to be creating stories that people want to see. No one wants to see likable flashy underdog who finally won the world champion, treated as unworthy of the big accomplishment he finally achieved.
  18. Also looks better because the traditional black strap is much better than a purple strap. But I do agree, the NXT logo center plate is more visually appealing than the WWE logo one. Wonder if all the titles are gonna get rainbow paint splatter straps and new plates with the updated logos for the transition.
  19. I think all it takes is seeing the post Mania booking to see that wasn't the plan. In theory I could go with your premise. But the fact that the second he won the title he started losing all the time, doesn't really line up with the him being protected / lined up for a big push. It comes off as it was. Vince was begrudgingly pushed into the feel good story and in retaliation he booked Mysterio as way too much of an afterthought as a champion. I get that characters are different and Mysterio worked because he was always the underdog. Like just because Rey won they shouldn't have started booking him like Super Cena. But they went all the way the other way with it. He lost every single non title match he was in just about. That's not how you book someone you had meaningful plans for. It was the right call to put the title on Rey, he was ready. But the way it happened probably hurt his career more than it helped him. At least he got that second reign that lasted almost a whole episode of Raw during The Summer of Punk.
  20. I do think he can last 45mins. Maybe if he had a super fast paced cruiser style to begin with I could see that as an issue. Or if he hadn't been working on any cardio since he left. But MMA training is grueling on cardio. So his normal style, being able to spend a few minutes here and there soaking in the most likely crazy loud crowd reactions, a couple breaks for each overtime... I think he'd be fine. A lot of what I expect the match to be is the old Michaels vs Diesel strategy of a pinball bumping around a stationary object. I don't mean that as a slight. I mean that as in Darby will be doing all kinds of craziness and most of Punk's stuff will be counters to the craziness / trying to slow him down. Take a full minute or two to setup his top rope elbow, he misses, big sell, Darby pinballs a series of offense. Ends with him missing. More selling / holy shit chants for the crash & burns. I think Darby is the perfect guy for his return match to be against in that sense. I'd be less confident if it wasn't in Chicago. But that crowd is gonna be giving Punk everything they got and that adrenaline can carry a dude.
  21. If it's me, Darby vs Punk main events. You have a 30 minute time limit. They go to a draw. 5 more minutes. It's still a draw. Second over time and one of them wins clean. Take your pick. This protects them both as virtual equals. I'd go with Punk over. Darby gets made to look equal and can survive the loss. Punk gets the story beat of "wow do I still have it? Sure I won, but just fucking barely." Then the handshake. Post match 2.0 & Garcia beat down. PPV ends on Bryan Danielson making the save and beating the shit out of Daniel Garcia for our enjoyment.
  22. No he didn't. He broke a toe. Still not fun, but nowhere near blowing out a knee.
  23. I've skipped over like 5 posts of your that I had the initial reaction to reply to, but this one is just a bridge too far. We get it, you don't like The Young Bucks. You don't have to like them. Like who you like. But you're just making up fucking lies at this point. Like who you like or whatever but I'm just kindly asking you to also do that while living in actual reality. In no way shape or form have The Young Bucks ever been presented as Steiner like. In no way are The Young Bucks reminiscence of The Mulkies. The Young Bucks are not body guys, but they don't have bad bodies by any means. And your stupid raging on their bodies is some weird body dis-morphia in your head shit. They are bigger than Punk, Darby, Bryan, Starks, and a bunch of other people. (Also TNT didn't cancel Nitro because of nWo beat downs. From January 1999 - March of 2001 there were exactly 2 months of nWo existing. Jan 1999 Finger poke version, Jan 2000 Bret version. And both were short lived and had nothing to do with the actual reasons WCW got sold / canceled.) Take a step back and chill out with your rants man. You make a lot of good posts here and everyone enjoys interacting with you. Except on this Bucks shit. Let. it. Go.
  24. I'd gladly take an unadvertised Andrade vs Buddy Murphy match.
  25. As someone who has tickets for that Giants vs Saints game a flight & hotel already booked... yeah I'm uhh... very hopeful they play that game there. Otherwise I'm going to be a very grumpy man.
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