Robert S
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13 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
The only real time I remember him is his debut which was done to complete silence cause 90% of the crowd didn't learn about Apartheid in South Africa or was born after it was ending/ended. He cut a few short promos on Raw and that was pretty much it before Callis replaced him.
However, it's crazy that he was the 1st victim of the "we need you to be able to wrestle even though we hired you to just manage".
Even the name of name of the group was weird. I mean the Truth and Reconciliation Commission was not a white supremacist group and it did not control a militia or whatever that group was supposed to be or stand for.
Did Vince have financial interests in South Africa in the 80ies that suffered by the end of Apartheid? Because this really reeks like Vince's MO: Vince hates paying taxes -> here comes Irwin R. Schyster, he distrusts lawyers -> hello, Clarence Mason, he feels televangelists are a joke -> hey Brucy, I've got an idea, he is a lifelong republican -> let's put some Clinton impersonator on PPV, Lawler, make as many Clinton jokes as you can think of on Raw, how about having Gennifer Flowers at Wrestlemania 14? fake Clinton was such a great idea, let's repeat this with a fake Obama etc. etc. etc.
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44 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
I think I saw about 79.
Edit - Okay, it looks to be 1,200, actually. 79 is from one of the 5 lawsuits that got eventually consolidated into one.
335 million divided by 1200, so basically the money goes straight to the lawyers.
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6 hours ago, S.K.o.S. said:
New wrestling crossword!
https://twitter.com/avalanchestyle/status/1769006958902648838
16:55, probably a new personal best for me, I only had to brute force a single letter, but the answer to 31 across is really stupid.
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9 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
Holy crap, I just realized that Villano stands for villain!
So this made look up false friends between English and Spanish to make a silly joke, but I ended up almost empty handed (for one, because the ones with wrestling connections are way to obvious, I mean no one would think Julio Dinero translated to "Jules Dinner" or "Sin Caras" meant "sinn faces"). Though it's funny that a significant bunch of them also work as false friends between English and German (obviously there are also ones that work between Spanish and German, but that was to be expected considering that German and English are closer related to each other).
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22 minutes ago, AxB said:
You can say product now. (...)
I thought those filters are gone for almost a decade now. Let me try: OMG, meh, DOI
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13 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
Yeah, good points one and all. A lot of people probably didn't even know he was sick considering how reticent he was to talk about the diagnosis, or about the funeral until afterwards. His wife was clearly upset about it, but specifically about Vince.
Probably more important to think is that John was such a good man, he would have understood the circumstances and not been upset.
Regarding people not knowing that he had cancer: my memory might be completely off considering that was 20 years ago, but didn't he have either a blog or a website where he was quite open about his bout cancer? Quick googling at least showed that he seemed to post on the Wrestlecrap board. Here is a reddit post (I guess from one of Tenta's sons) containing a screenshot of a Tenta post from August 2005:
(I assume that's legit.)
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20 hours ago, odessasteps said:
If Ole would take $150,000 to get screwed over by Jim Herd, the other part doesn’t surprise me.
for those who want to listen, JC’s tribute to Ole is about an hour long.
Cornette had actually a good line about Ole's time working under Herd, something like "it was against his religion to not take this kind of money".
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2 hours ago, zendragon said:
Speaking of Bullshit in bio's. Hogan's story about Pat Patterson trying to get him to blow him in 77 before his first match has to go on the lie list right?
It's Hogan, so 95% yes, though at the very least Patterson really worked the show where Hogan had his first match (at least according to cagematch). On the Hogan-lie-scale this at least hits the mark "does not violate obvious facts like the laws of physics and does not require necromancy".
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Is thigh slapping worse than stomping when doing punches or similar strikes?
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49 minutes ago, Robert C said:
Ive never seen or heard of anybody laying off most of a hardware design team post project completion. I’ve seen it after a project cancellation, but only once. And I’ve been through an insane number of cancellations. Normally our next project is lined up long before the current one finishes.
Probably a bunch of reasons for that. Hardware designers are a pain in the ass to find and hire. So many specialties that don’t carry over to one another easily. Also, the work that occurs after something gets released frequently is as much as the pre silicon work.
What does happen frequently is shifting whole teams to work on a project that’s got behind, then moving to some other emergency once they’re done with the first. Been there plenty of times. It sucks, but it beats getting laid off.
Okay, I probably should have prefaced it that I was not comparing that on a layoff level. In central Europe, Austria more specifically, doing mass layoffs just to optimize profits for stockholders is not that easy legally anyway. I was thinking about a current hardware project, for which over the last decade the size of the hardware team was maybe doubled. This project is slowly coming to an end (after taking about three times as initially planned and costing about five times as much) and management is getting nervous because they have loads of specialists that they won't need for a decade or so reg. new development. But you are definitely right: there is a lot of work to be done to keep the product on the market (fixing issues with early series, replacing parts that become unavailable etc.).
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20 hours ago, Technico Support said:
I worked for a smaller studio for a few years (you wouldn't know them, they did a lot of subcontracting where the big company gets to slap their name on the finished product -- but I do have two credits on MobyGames, which is hilarious) and this is just how the industry works. We had three rounds of layoffs when I was there, always coinciding with the end of development. It's a joke of an industry where all jobs are really just temp jobs. Hire like crazy for the ramp-up, then layoff all but a core group when you're finished the project. I always got the impression that the workers lived by fooling themselves into thinking they were going to be the ones allowed to stay and that the other guy would be the one let go. But yeah, I, too, saw good people, who'd given so much of their lives, shown the door with zero notice.
I guess that's the story of software development turned up to 11. You start up with a team of what you think is a sensible size, after a couple of delays realize that there is no way that you can keep your target (date and/or content-wise) and add loads of people to that project, completely ignoring Brook's law ("Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later."). Once the project is done (one way or the other), you are left with a huge team without much to do, because of course you don't start to think about the next project while the current one is still running (and the current project is always the only thing that is really important) or even better slowly move resources out of one project and move it into the other so that you have a smooth transition when the first project hits market. Looking at my company, hardware development probably is not that much different either.
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Cornette recently had a great story about what Bill Dundee apparently once said about Ole: "Ole Anderson likes to fuck but he don't (sic!) like to come. He just wants to fuck all the time he don't wanna come. He just wants to fuck. He is miserable."
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6 hours ago, Ziggy said:
Is Straton apart of the main roster ? I was most impressed by her. Because Naomi is fresh off returning, I expected more of a reaction from the Audience.
That main event dragged on but it was cool to see Rhea main event
It probably did not help that Naomi looked completely washed up.
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57 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
Meltzer made a great point the other day about how, generalizing here, real sports' athletes have such a different mentality than wrestlers. For the most part, athletes understand their worth to the team and expect to be paid accordingly. Wrestlers, on the other hand, mostly are just happy to be there and approach their job from a "this promoter took a chance on me" point of view. One recognizes their worth and demands things. The other feels like their success is all owed to someone else, instead of understanding that this someone saw value in their skills, something they could make money on. There's no doubt in my mind that Vince absolutely played this shit to the hilt his entire career and it's easy to see how Cena was absolutely Jedi mind tricked here. I'm sure he feels he owes his life to Vince and not his own talents.
Looking at how the business works it's no wonder that wrestlers have inferiority complexes in that regard. A talented young person in any sport is a hot commodity that may be treated sometimes too well (that they start to believe their own hype and don't work hard enough to reach their full potential - pro sports is full of such people), in wrestling the veterans will tell you that what you do is shit (and probably a lot of times simply that you yourself are shit) from day one, you have to start at the bottom of the foodchain and work your way up for years and years and years long after you might be ready for the top. At a certain point you will either quit or start to believe what you are told. You have to be very stable mentally not to end up with deep psychological issues. I am sure that the drugs and the alcohol are not just to treat the pain and because you are on the road a lot. I would assume even the biggest stars might take it hard when they are pushed away from the top. Flair is the most prominent example, but I am sure that he is not the exception but the rule here.
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24 minutes ago, Infinit said:
Drew
Damn, I hate it that my mind went into the exact same direction. I blame Russell Crowe and John Oliver.
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Regarding that Cena interview, my reaction can be easily summed up:
The only way to get Cena distance himself from Vince probably would be China threating to ban his next movie.
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22 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:
I’ve been thinking about Billy Jack and his situation is right up there with Chris Benoit. He freaking shot his wife. Maybe it wasn’t as much of a shock to hear about this coming from him and maybe he has a whole other shit list of things, which makes it seem like less of a deal but is there much else really that comes close? The answer is yes I know but that also doesn’t make this any less of a tragedy IMO. Also this list of what else isn’t that long. I feel sorry for the guy and I always have for similar reasons that I felt sorry for Chris Benoit. I’m not necessarily excusing him either which is a discussion we’ve had about many tragedies but I thought I would go ahead and say that before he dies and it sounds like I’m looking back with rose colored glasses. He can’t have long himself.
On a quick glance - just from the couple of lines I have read so far about the case - it might be a completely different situation. His wife was 85, suffering from dementia and Haynes was taking care of her. In cases like this the likeliest scenario is that Haynes was overwhelmed with the situation, could not see any other way out resp. forward than murder-suicide (the stand-off with the cops might have been an attempt at suicide-by-cop) and in the end did not go through with the suicide. Still a very tragic situation, but not in the least comparable with the Benoit case. Trying to understand the Benoit case inevitably leads you to think about concussions, steroids, other drugs, friends dying left and right and yes also previous behavioural problems that pre-date a lot of other issues, the Haynes case on the surface does not require that, it seems rather simple and similar cases happen often enough that it is barely news-worthy (though, again, still tragic).
Of course, I could be completely off trying to read what happened why and the case might be very different.
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3 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
Where I am in my rewatch, they're debuting all these guys at a breakneck speed but none of them are making any sort of waves. Hakushi is the only one, but he's been miscast as a heel. However, you have old HOG, Aldo Montoya, Kama, Bundy, Man Mountain Rock, MANTAUR!, the Blu Brothers. There are probably one or two I am forgetting. However, it's like get someone over and then bring in the next guy.
Road Dogg technically came in in late 94 as well. Apart from that, I think Tekno Team 2000 and Jean-Pierre Laffite are probably debuting soon in your rewatch.
Man Mountain Rock is a weird case. He has a great look, is a legit amateur wrestling All American and had a gimmick that was (I think) not complete bullshit. Yet, he completely suck in the the couple of squashes I have seen from that timeframe. I know he was involved in the Cactus Jack vs. Nasty Boys feud (though I vaguely remember him dangerously, recklessly even, blowing stuff in the Clash match that set up the Superbrawl match), was he any good besides that in WCW?
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17 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
The Shawn/Adam Bomb match just happened (where Shawn beats him really fast and Adam Bomb looks like an idiot) a week prior to where I am so Shawn is already getting "fuck this guy" heat with certain guys.
The booking is just nonsensical in that Shawn/Bam Bam/Diesel are these heels in late 1994. By May 1995, all of them babyfaces for no reason although they had been building Diesel up to turn on Shawn since August 1994. Out of three guys, you can only justify a babyface turn for one of them. Maybe. You can say "well, the Million Dollar Corporation has been in fighting since Survivor Series." Except Tatanka is now anti-over (he's under) cause the Luger program went so long and was so atrocious. Bundy came in and looked pretty bad. How he gets the spot against Taker at WrestleMania... I have no earthly clue. I think Kama is about to join and the Supreme Fighting Machine gimmick doesn't resonate at all. It is a group of not over heels who job in the most important matches.
You can see why the Kliq became powerful. Vince is just mashing buttons hoping for a hit.
I have been rewatching that timeframe over the last years and the booking is so weird. Business might not have been great, but TV etc. was hot in 93 and in the earlier parts of 94. Around summer, it got completely shit. Not sure if it's a coincidence, but the steroid trial ended in late July 94, ergo Vince suddenly had much more time to focus on TV. And you got the "great" Luger vs. Tatanka feud ("you sold out, I saw you", "no I haven't", "yes, you have" ...), Undertaker vs. Undertaker (the angle started in June or so, and I guess they wanted to go there probably since they did Rumble 94, but still), Team Doink vs. Team Lawler, one unwatchable TV match after the other (I could swear that every Raw match either had Jeff Jarrett stalling for 10 minutes, Lex Luger (who I think mentally checked out after Wrestlemania X) going through the motions or Doink period), etc. Also while Jerry Lawler might be a good promo, I don't need a 10 minute King's Court segment every f'n week.
And as you mentioned, it did not get better, Undertaker was stuck in one bad program after another (don't forget him vs. the world's sweatiest man) for the whole year of 95, the Million Dollar Corporation which should have been killed off at the latest after Wrestlemania 11 goes on for the whole year as well, the bring in some decent talent but put them in horrible gimmicks (Chris "Skip" Candido (incl. Sunny who was a main event talent stuck with an undercard gimmick) and Louie "Rad Radford" Spicolli are the first that come to mind; not sure if "Dean" Douglas should count because that was partly a PG version of his ECW gimmick; I guess Waylon Mercy was a neat idea, though I doubt that would have worked even with 89 Danny Spivey) and others are just used badly. WWF on paper did not have a bad roster in 94 or 95, but they used it so bad.
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2 hours ago, Andrew POE! said:
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Eventually, we'll see one console and one publisher if this keeps up.
As long as consoles make good money (and I assume they do) that's not the movement I expect to see. Rather hardware and software architectures will get even more similar so that developing multiple platform games (or at least porting games) becomes cheaper, at least on the Microsoft and Sony front - I don't see Nintendo's business model (underpowered hardware that is sold - compared to the competition and the performance - overprized fueled by exclusive first part games) stop working as long as they are able to put out a new Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart or Smash Bros. once a year.
What I mean: Sony is on the second generation using an x86 architecture, same for Microsoft. Even the bigger game developers nowadays use the same middleware or even full game engines. And the time will come when not even EA fill bother with Frostbite and go Unreal Engine - either that or they will try to sell (license) Frostbite (or whatever they will have by that point).
Of course I might be completely wrong and in ten years there will only be cloud gaming (not that I really believe in that, I can't imagine how latency will even become low and stable enough for action-based games, at least not on a geographically wide-scaled basis).
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4 hours ago, SirSmUgly said:
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Regarding the Rock's likability, I think he was way more likeable as a pro wrestler than as a movie star. He hit the A-list and immediately got vaguely creepy like Tom Cruise has seemingly been his whole life.
Do you mean the wrestling character The Rock? I don't know, even as a face he was pretty much a dick to everyone.
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12 hours ago, Kang said:
Just one more....
Per PWInsider, a bench warrant was issued for Teddy Hart. Teddy didn't show up for his court date.
Time to revive the IsTeddyHartInJail Twitter account.
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28 minutes ago, AxB said:
The Sleaze thread was 19 and a half years ago, and I'm pretty sure that 90%+ of the people who joined to post to it aren't here any more.
Amusingly, I did see some random on twitter trying to discourse that DVDVR takes "too much credit" for the Sleaze Thread, considering it was immediately reposted to every wrestling forum that existed at the time, and a lot of the posts in their were from people who joined to post to it, rather than existing regulars.
I was mostly lurking back then but my impression was that the sleaze thread came and went and was barely a thing for at least a decade, was only brought up here for a side remark here and there.
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59 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
I guess we'll never know how much Netflix would have paid for Raw if Cody went over at WM39. But the machine just rolls on without regards to their decisionmaking and the "millionaire who should be a billionaire" secondguessing can't be stopped (I think now it's "billionaire who should be a multi-billionaire")
Actually now it's "billionaire who should be in jail".
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