MORELOCK

Yeah, acting like the filmmakers made a conscious decision to exclude Benoit's daughter because of some sinister motivation seems ridiculous. She clearly didn't want to be a part of it. It was her decision. She clearly would have been allowed to speak had she wanted to. If you want to take a weird issue with how the filmmakers handled that decision, fine, but acting like there's some narrative out there not being heard is bullshit. Maybe they didn't go into why she didn't want to be there because they have decency and respect?

Maven needed years of developmental. He had charisma and athleticism. Throwing him on TV immediately after Tough Enough illustrates the inherent problem with that kind of show. I was there live for the Rumble that year. It may have been embellished by fond memories, but I remember the pop being huge when he eliminated Taker.

The Owen episode will surely shed some light on this, since we finally get Martha's side of the story. Though it's not really hard to imagine what it is - I'm guessing she won't budge on the HoF issue because she doesn't feel like the company should make even more money off of her dead husband. It might be different if it was just a simple ceremony honoring Owen. Vince gonna Vince so it has to be a huge spectacle not fully focused on the actual legendary wrestlers, and he's got to sell an arena full of tickets to the most annoying wrestling fans he can find. How is it a red flag? Maybe she just doesn't want to talk about her murderous father on national television. It's weird that she wasn't mentioned, but there might be a legal issue and there might not have been a real reason to be sidetracked into talking about why she wasn't there.

I don't think the JBL stuff is fair, either - I touched on that in the HoF thread. I think my main issue is that in the cases of Flair and Dusty, I don't think it would matter if there was a smoking gun (and there arguably is, unless you want to come right out and call Teddy Long a liar). There are LOTS of instances of wrestlers doing racist things or being racist, and very few of them seem to be held accountable for it in the way that Hogan is. I think it's ridiculous that what all that seems to be based on is people's wrestling opinions. If you hate racism and want to rail against it, that's wonderful - but why single out Hogan and be oddly forgiving towards other people because we liked their matches better? I know better than to think I can stop people from shitting on Hogan, I just don't see why people can't acknowledge the bias. People shit on Hogan because they hate Hogan, not because they hate racism. I don't disagree - I just think that viewpoint can easily be extended to bringing up racism every time his name comes up. I don't reply to every Benoit mention with "but murderer," and that seems like it is probably a much more egregious offense.

If you truly believe this, you haven't talked about wrestling on the internet for the last 25 years and you certainly don't read this particular board. Saying Hulk Hogan gets credit from the mainstream, or casual fans? That's fair. But hardcore wrestling fans go out of their way to shit on Hogan for everything, and that was the case long before he used racist language. Meltzer has shit on Hogan consistently for 30+ years. The attacks on his personal character, outside of the racist stuff? You aren't really in a position to say they're valid. He's a shrewd businessman that took care of his friends and himself. All these things that are said about him - do you think they're coming from people who have sat down with Hulk and had a frank conversation about their feelings? Or are they coming almost entirely from people who have an axe to grind for one reason or another? Stooging out Ventura for trying to unionize is the only real dick move I can recall, and we again have one side of that story. The way he acted about Nick's DUI killing was pretty bad, but I'm not really inclined to harshly judge a father for making mistakes in an attempt to take care of his child in crisis. Most of the other stuff just boils down to "because of him ______ didn't get the World title" or whatever. How often do you recall people putting that Hogan-Brock match over, or putting Hogan over for doing the honors? Can you think of a single instance?

So he missed the joke because there wasn't a funny part. "Hogan didn't get squashed by Brock quickly enough" is the kind of revisionism that you could definitely expect from some in the IWC - if they ever talked about this match. But of course, the reason no one talks about this match is because Hogan did the right thing and it made Brock look like a million dollars. Can't be giving Hogan any credit for literally anything without Natural coming and spamming threads. IIRC, people thought it was a great way to get Brock over, but even then no one was willing to praise Hogan too loudly.

The "WWE ruined _______" narrative is so heavily reinforced here that it's easy to slip what amounts to 100% bullshit under the radar...fucking Sasuke? Really?

Knox County issued a "safer at home" order to distract us all from the fact that they aren't going to issue a stay at home order.

Los Parks cooking breakfast is the kind of content we all need right now.

The truth typically lies somewhere between Prichard and Meltzer. A documentary show that relies solely on Meltzer's takes would be garbage too. Not that that is in any way what is happening here.

The "Jean Pierre LaFitte" name wouldn't have been used for this run - this is fresh off the last Quebecers run right after Jacques Rougeau went into semi-retirement. And yes, he is shoot missing an eye. The reason this is full of lower tier talent is because it was on a "volunteer" basis. I'm betting most of these guys knew they weren't going to make TV if they didn't sign up. Look how many of them are gone within a year or so: Hawk, Savio, Canterbury, Brakus, Mero, 8-Ball, Severn, Williams, Pierre, Scorpio, even Bart. Droz's accident was about a year later, too, so only Blackman, Godfather, Bradshaw, and Holly would stick around for much longer.

And yes, NY probably does test more than other states. Certainly more than my state.

Regarding the music - a lot of the guys were coming out to stock themes the WWE didn't own at that time (I vividly remember Mero coming out to the same music as The Renegade). So whatever generic stuff Canterbury and Bradshaw came out to was likely what the Network dubbed in to replace those equally generic themes.

Seeing David's eyes and face light up while he was talking about his dad... Seeing Chavo break down. This put me in a very bad place.

They're counting on people's hate boner for Corbin to get Gronk over. So basically, it's time to start loving and appreciating Corbin for the fantastic work he does.

The degree to which this is happening will surprise you, I promise. Remember the 13,000 number is the symptomatic people that have been tested, leaving out the symptomatic people that haven't been tested, as well as the far larger number of asymptomatic carriers of the virus.

Satin is *right* and it's really not a matter of opinion. These shows are a public health risk, period. Just because he's a stooge that attacks AEW while letting WWE off the hook doesn't mean what he's saying is incorrect. "Sight unseen" is not how this shit works. You can't tell by looking at people whether they have the virus. It is irresponsible to continue these shows regardless of which company is doing it.

I don't think there's anyone on the board that would argue this point. Even the people who aren't enjoying Dynamite as much as most will concede that they're blowing WWE out of the water right now. Maybe this was why I enjoyed the show so much this week? Crowd reaction shots need to be excised from all professional wrestling shows. One of the worst (if not THE worst) bad habits they've picked up from WWE. Good show all around, worked very well around limitations, etc. Show should NOT have taken place and should NOT be taking place next week or any subsequent weeks until this shit is under control. Obviously that's true of WWE too and Satin is a vulture, but I don't see how it's debatable.

It's also what everyone except you fully expected. So maybe you should have chilled out instead of weirdly doubling down on a complaint that didn't even affect you and implying shady things were happening when they absolutely weren't.

Good.

That's what this thread is. You've been told more than once to stop posting videos here.

Pretty sure there's already been talk of how bad Blood and Guts would be without a crowd, too.

Casey's doing that over in the AEW thread as we speak.

Again - no one is "spinning" anything. There is a global crisis happening. You will get your money. Chill out.

89 - before Watts. I noticed JR calling Funk "Ric Flair" during the match, too - he really doesn't seem to have changed that much as an announcer at all. It's just that fans of newer stuff disagree with a lot of his opinions, which wasn't typically the case until maybe mid-2000s?