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  1. That was kind of a terrible episode of NXT.

     

    Paige/Sasha was probably the best match, and it's good to see Paige go to that submission as her main finisher.

     

    The fact that they had to recap Mojo's Arrival match in still-frame form was pretty damning.

     

    The Ascension are like a poor man's Kronik. I want to like them, but it's just not happening in the ring. Victor is alright, but Connor is a lumbering oaf and has the completely fake "trying too hard" thing going on with his intensity. They should probably make Victor's second rope shining wizard their finisher too. The High/Low doesn't help the generic image at all.

     

    That 4-way divas promo was awkward as fuck. Bailey and Sasha seem to play their characters well enough, but Charlotte and Nattie have no presence at all. It's like each person who talked had progressively less presence and understanding of their character. "We both come from great men" has to be the worst line I've heard in a promo in some time.

     

    Mason Ryan is still around, I guess? He looks like he's lost weight.

     

    After Rusev moved around so well in the Rumble and when he beat down Woods and Breeze a couple weeks ago, I was thoroughly disappointed by this plodding, sloppy match. He should probably have a different finisher than the Steiner Recliner. His music still rules, though. Oh, and lol at the ring announcer botch introducing Breeze as the opponent during his "surprise" entrance.

     

    The main event was way too long. Haven't seen Cassidy before but he strikes me as a Matt Morgan type, only less intimidating. I'm not sure what Bo's strengths are in the ring exactly, but his offense was limited by the size difference and he couldn't do much in the way of bumping because Cassidy's offense sucks, so he didn't have a lot to work with here either way. The only good part of this match was the "boring" chant. "Yes, this is Bo's ring!"

     

    I guess we did need a show at some point to remind us that this is still a developmental program. Can't expect Zayn/Cesaro every week.

  2. Watched Austin vs. Bret from WM 13, and it's still the leader of WM matches as far as I'm concerned.

     

    Both guys enter to mixed reactions, and they both do great work with their characters to tilt the crowd almost all the way to Austin by the end, and Bret lands some cheap shots in the post match to seal it. Bret was just in top form here, showing off his underrated brawling and being absolutely vicious during the technical portions of the match. He also nailed the "on tilt" aspect of his character from this time, getting more and more frustrated as the match wore on. Austin played the underdog role and did a lot of fighting spirit kind of stuff without betraying his asshole character too much. Bret was being such whiny jerk, you kinda wanted someone to tell him fuck off anyways. Of course, the visual of a bloody Austin trying to fight out of the sharpshooter is one of the true iconic visuals in WWE history. The blood was a great touch here because it added a lot more urgency to Austin's comeback and you really felt like he only a limited amount of time to put Bret away before he passed out. 

     

    And since I watched that, I decided I was in the mood for double turns and hit up Del Rio vs. Ziggler at Payback last year.

     

    I put this as my #2 match last year (maybe should've been #1), and it's definitely an underrated gem from WWE last year, and a MOTDC for my money. Probably gets forgotten because both guys have been stale as shit for large portions of the last 3+ years, but this is easily a career effort from both of them. They both start with mixed reactions, but Dolph's selling and previously unseen fighting spirit gets just about everyone on his side by the end. Del Rio's offense has never looked better as he relentlessly targeted Dolph's head coming off a concussion. Those kicks were straight nasty and Dolph took some crazy bumps for the high spots as usual. Ziggler does a great job coming across as tough, yet hopeless. Del Rio controls most of the match but can't put Dolph away and ups the dickishness as the match progresses. The seconds in this match (AJ and Ricardo) also deserve a lot of credit for their work to advance the story. AJ shows a lot of concern and does a lot of Woman-like shrieks when Dolph takes blows to the head. Ricardo doesn't care about Dolph's health in the slightest and is constantly telling Del Rio to stay on him. The finishing stretch is almost total perfection. Dolph spills to the floor, tries to do the heroic "beat the count" out move, only to get blasted by running apron kick from Del Rio. Doctor comes out to try stop Dolph from continuing, Dolph blows him off, only to take a vicious baseball slide square in the back of the head. Dolph still won't give up. In the ring he tries to pull himself up while Del Rio mocks him in disbelief. He hits a flash zig zag, but due to slamming his own head into the mat, can't make the pin. In fact, ADR is up first, and nails the kneeling superkick for the win.

     

    Tremendous performance from both guys, and Ziggler has to be the unluckiest guy in wrestling to deliver this once-in-a-lifetime amazing babyface performance people had been waiting for from him for 4 years right in the middle of Daniel Bryan's meteoric rise. Talk about unfortunate timing.

  3. If you're not concerned about the "major card" qualifier, you could probably pick about half of WCW's ppvs from the NWO era.

     

    BATB 96: Rey vs. Psicosis

    Fall Brawl 96: DDP vs. Chavo

    Havoc 96: Dean vs. Rey

    WW3 96: Rey vs. Ultimo

    Starrcade 96: Dean vs. Ultimo

    Superbrawl 97: Dean vs. Syxx

    Uncensored 97: Dean vs. Eddie

    Slamboree 97: Regal vs. Ultimo

    BATB 97: Glacier/Miller vs. Mortis/Wrath

    Fall Brawl 97: Jericho vs. Eddie

    Souled Out 98: Juvi/Lizmark/Calo/Chavo vs. La Parka/Psicosis/Silver King/El Dandy

  4. Rey is definitely up there with the all time greats. He had about a 15-year stretch where he was a top 5 wrestler in his company (at least when he was healthy), has a laundry list of great matches, and his contributions to the style of US wrestling can't be overlooked. 

     

    Right now he's like watching Shaq on the Celtics, but I'd imagine he's top 20 all-time on most lists.

  5. Probably won't happen with the battle royal and Extreme Rules just a month later, but I think a 4-way ladder match with The Usos, Real Americans, Harper/Rowan, and Rollins/Ambrose (let Reigns go win the battle royal) would be a great way to round out this show. You could advance a lot of different stories and have a killer midcard match in the process. 

     

    If you run out of battle royal fodder, just put a bunch of NXT guys in there. It'll increase brand awareness and give them no shortage of guys looking to take crazy bumps to get noticed. You could get the bigger NXT names a good rub by just doing some standard battle royal spots  when the stage is this big. Zayn in the final four stare-down, Neville takes a highlight reel elim from Reigns or somebody, Rusev is the guy that it takes 10 people to eliminate, etc.

  6. Rewatched the 4-team ladder match from Armageddon 2006 (Hardys, MNM, Blue Bloods, London/Kendrick).

     

    For my money, this is the best ladder match WWE has ever put on. Most famous for Joey Mercury being on the receiving end of the most brutal spot in ladder match history, it has a forgotten element of storytelling and unique characterization of every team that is far and above anything seen in a ladder match before or since. You have the Hardys in there as the reigning kings of the ladder match, London and Kendrick as the young guns who are unproven but possess as much talent and courage as the Hardys, MNM as equally talented athletically as the first two but inexperienced and not very bright, and Regal and Taylor as two rugged old timers who are way out of their depth.

     

    The Hardys and L/K rule the ring early and often and the story of L/K (who have had a lengthy run with the belts at this point) needing to supplant the Hardys in this type of match to cement their legacy begins to emerge. MNM and the Blue Bloods persist as minor annoyances to the quest of the flyers trying to prove who is the king of the ladder match. Regal and Taylor manage to out-slug the flyers after they've worn each other down and desperately try to keep the ladders from becoming a factor. Eventually the other three teams realize the best way to get those two out of the picture and all unite to swamp the ring with ladders. The big spots come in rapid succession as they are wont to do in this environment, but the story is not lost. The Hardys and L/K are the ones dishing out almost all the punishment with the ladders, while MNM makes careless mistakes that land themselves in a lot of trouble. There's some quality stooge spots by MNM that keep up the visual aesthetic while putting over the prowess of the Hardys and L/K in this match. The infamous ladder catapult would've continued this aspect of the story just fine without destroying Mercury's face, but instead added a layer of brutality rarely seen in this kind of match. There's no doubt this match would still be the best without the visual of Mercury's swollen face dripping blood like a sieve on the floor, but that spot just puts it that much farther out of reach. 

     

    Following that spot, the Hardys and L/K continue to focus on one another. Regal and Taylor are able to gain control for a couple minutes, but their momentum quickly falters when they try to climb for the titles. They look like the best fighters in the match at points and even adapt to the ladders as weapons (Regal kills London with a half nelson suplex into an angled ladder in the corner), but they clearly have no chance to win as both appear to be afraid of heights and have no sense of balance climbing more than 2 rungs. Despite missing his partner, Nitro makes an incredible one-man effort, nearly babyface-like, to try to capture the belts. Despite being careless early, he shows his talent here hitting a series of good moves to take multiple guys, including tearing Regal's arm up by splashing him with a ladder. Still, the numbers and talent catch him, and he becomes a non-factor. Regal is able to make one last gasp for his team, scaling the ladder as high as he can before eating sliced bread 2 off the top. He sells this by appearing to break his neck on the apron, looking eerily lifeless. The match ends as it began, and as it had to with the Matt Hardy and Paul London atop a ladder for the gold and total tag team supremacy. London decisively out-slugs Matt and secures the titles.

     

    This match really has it all. The storytelling of the Michaels/Razor matches combined with the frantic pace and assortment of brutal spots from the early TLCs. This is a match where there is truly something for everyone. Highly recommend everyone give this a re-visit. 

     

    Also, JBL was an infinitely better announcer in 2006 than he is in 2014.

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  7. Cena's promo is a-ok as long as Bray wins their match, which I think he has a decent shot at. The Shield used a lot of the same material in the build for their match with the Wyatts, but after they lost clean, the Wyatts still look like the baddest dudes in the company (not named Brock Lesnar). 

  8. I am amused that everyone has already forgotten about Bray Wyatt vs. Daniel Bryan

     

    This is true. When I read the question, I immediately set my brain to 5 years plus in the past. I do suspect this match will stand the test of time.

     

    It probably popped into my head just because I watched it a few days ago, but I was shocked at how good Dean Malenko vs Scotty 2 Hotty for the light-heavyweight title was at Backlash '00. The crowd was ridiculously into Scotty, hated Dean and just went nuts for everything that happened during the match.  And the finish was an awesome mega-death finish too.  That had to have been the best match of Scotty's career.

     

    And given that Dean's name has popped up a few times, is he a contender for King of the Opening Match?

     

    Nitpick, but Dean/Scotty didn't go on first. Road Dogg and X-Pac vs. E&C opened Backlash 2000 (a great ppv btw).

  9. Rey/Psicosis at BATB 96 was a perfect way to kick off that show. Fast paced match to lighten the hostile takeover mood and a good showcase for the beginning of WCW's cruiserweight revolution. WCW regularly opened ppvs with CW matches for the rest of its existence.

     

    Also, Owen/Bret at WM 10, obv.

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  10. Here's a strange question for everyone: has wrestling changed over the last three years or so?

    I was watching some random PPVs from the past few years on the Network and it seems like the style of wrestling in the WWE feels different and more strike-heavy than it ever has been. Also the match formula for WWE matches have been refined and perfected.

    I dunno, and I can't exactly explain it as well as I want to, but mainstream wrestling feels a lot different than it did in the recent past.

     

    It's a combination of 3-hour Raws and a bunch of mid 2000s indy wrestlers hitting the roster at the same time. The extra time on Raw has allowed just about everyone to significant reps with 10+ minute matches and the indy guys are responsible for things like more/better strikes and the "kings road" style finishing runs. Not surprisingly, the time frame of these changes correlates rather strongly with the usage of Daniel Bryan on WWE tv. Then you follow him with guys like Cesaro, Rollins, Ambrose, etc that do the same things in the midcard and pretty soon the majority of the roster has adapted because it's what the hot new acts are doing.

  11. He didn't shake Cena's hand backstage or something. 

     

    I thought the hot rumor at the time was that Cena was giving him shit backstage and Riley snapped on him (or Cena was bullying him and Riley refused to take it depending on whose perspective we're talking about).

  12. Watched King of the Ring '98 last night.  I hadn't watched Mankind/Undertaker HIC in a long time, but dammit if Jim Ross doesn't have one of the best calls ever:

     

    Ross: Good God!!!  GOOD GOD!!!

     

    Lawler: That's it.  He's dead.

     

    Ross: WILL SOMEBODY STOP THE DAMN MATCH!!!  ENOUGH'S ENOUGH!!!

     

     

    I still get chills listening to the passion in his voice.

     

    I've been watching a lot of Foley matches lately, and this one still stands the test of time. The two big spots at the beginning are just as sick now as they were 16 years ago, and the chaos between them actually puts a lot of emotion behind them. The rest of the match stays together surprisingly well given the condition of the competitors. The spot where Foley tries to grab the steps, but can't pick them up, and Taker follows by ramming the steps repeatedly into Foley's injured shoulder was choice. They were moving like molasses but it was 100% believable that it was due to the match, not two guys being out of shape. The piledriver on the chair looked nice and made a good sound, and the tack spots actually provided a worthy finish which would seem impossible given how the match started. The visuals of Foley busted up smiling in the corner and getting off the stretcher post match are timeless as well.

     

    And yes, this is probably JR's best announcing performance ever. Before, during, and after he was just spitting out epic lines that straddled the boundary of great fictional storytelling and not being too cheesy. I've re-watched this probably 3 or 4 times since the network came out, just a wonderful display of pro wrestling story telling, even if the hardcore aspects won't be for everyone. Depending on your parameters for the attitude era, there's a good case for this match being the best from that time frame.

     

    I'd write out some more epic JR quotes, but there's just too many. You just have to watch it.

  13. We have the general review thread, and the network club thread, but I was thinking all this HQ footage would make for some easy and fun "Best Of" discussions/lists. With every show broken down by match (unless it involves that one guy), it wouldn't be too hard to best of various wrestlers, shows, years, etc. We could even do "worst of" lists if people want to go that route. It can just be open discussion or we can all submit ballots and do dramatic list unveilings. I think there's a lot of potential for fun topics here.

     

    Anyway, this thread is just to see if there is any interest in doing something like this and/or to kick around ideas. If we can get enough people in on one topic, we can go from there.

     

     

  14. I know they'll be added eventually, but I want all the attitude Raw/SD shows in HQ.

     

    More out there, but hopefully they'll add all the jobber shows one day as well (from WWE and WCW) so we can all go find some hidden gem squashes.

  15. Yeah, people's styles never change over the course of their careers, down with all rematches!

    Kane's style really hasn't. At least not for the last 15 years. Although I actually find that very impressive. Guys like the Outlaws and Too Cool are trotted out there as nostalgia acts and noticeably show their age, but their attitude contemporary Kane still fits right in as a weekly regular.

     

    However, the only way I'd be interested in a Kane/Show match at Mania would be if they finished their catch-as-catch-can style chain wrestling match from Raw during Kane's May 19th phase. 

  16. The first Sheamus/Christian match on SD before the Chamber was tremendous. Their other matches have been fine, but it's pretty obvious they're stuck in "we have no idea what to do with these guys, so let's just have them fight every week" booking that helps no one. Christian's desperation character has no direction post-chamber and Sheamus hasn't had a motive for anything since he's been back. I know I've suggested it before, but Sheamus and Cesaro need to work an angle that results in a double turn at Mania. Christian just needs to get a hold of a midcard title so he has an excuse to wrestle every week.

     

    On a different front, I was thinking about Batista/Bryan (which brought me back to Batista/ADR at EC), and has anyone else noticed how little Batista moves in the ring these days? He was never a sprinter or anything, but he used to hit the ropes and be able to string a few moves together. Nowadays he just lays around literally in one spot while his opponent has to work around him for minutes at a time. When they do move to a different spot in the ring, there is always a noticeable rest period after.

  17. Added: Shield vs. Wyatts (Raw 3/3)

     

    I wrote at length about it in the Raw thread, but suffice to say it was a great progression on their previous match and the Shield breakup story. I admire them for not resting on their EC match and going for something totally different here.

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  18. The announcing has been really bad for a while. King adds nothing and is having more and more senior moments as time goes on. JBL's act has worn thin and I don't know if it's just me, but I think the blatant heel announcer concept is really dated and makes the product look bush league. Never mind that he goes off the rails all the fucking time and will sidetrack the whole crew for entire matches. Cole is decent when he's assertive and takes control from those other goofs, but he rarely does that and is usually content to follow along with their inane banter. His nicknames are the absolute worst too.

     

    Anyway, I loved the Usos winning the tag titles in decisive fashion. The dive/tag spot was great. The fact that the mandatory rematch is on Main Event bodes well for the Usos moving on to greener pastures. I wouldn't mind a match with Harper and Rowan at Mania for them.

     

    The Shield/Wyatts tag was excellent, probably a top 5 match this year despite being noticeably behind their EC match. The Chamber match just had a once in a lifetime feel that can't be replicated, and also went 20+ so it's kind of hard to expect a rematch to be better. Nevertheless, I liked that they didn't just rehash their last match and really tried to do something different to progress the story. The important things to remember are the Shield/Wyatts program is really designed to put over The Wyatt Family and Bray's mind games and that The Shield are still tweeners at the moment. Also, the Shield has been showing signs of dissension since Survivor Series, so none of their actions should really feel out of the blue here. It's understandable for Rollins to snap at some point, especially when his teammates are making mind-numbingly stupid mistakes mid-match. Their talent is comparable with the Wyatts, but they just aren't on the same page anymore and the Wyatts are. I think the match unfolded perfectly.

     

    The in-ring action was superb as well. Rollins opening run was a thing of beauty, especially the last dive where he landed on his feet facing the ring. Ambrose going after Rowan's leg was some of the best looking offense he's had in a while, and the spot where he was challenging Bray while stuck in the Rowan vise was great. I agree that Reigns looked stupid chasing down Ambrose during Rollins' attempted hot tag, but that was the point I think. Reigns was more concerned with asserting his dominance in the group than Rollins well-being and Ambrose clearly hasn't given a fuck for months. Can't blame Rollins for breaking down here, especially as a tweener with no moral obligation to be the bigger man. The two-man game with Ambrose and Reigns was top-notch and that finishing run was perfect with the Wyatts finally being the team that got the Shield to succumb to the numbers game. Oh, and Luke Harper was phenomenal here too. That double stomp to Ambrose during the figure four, his strikes being on point as usual and an even more epic looking dive (credit to Roman's bump) than the EC match. Bray's constant taunting of the Shield was perfect too given how he spent the last month prophesying their demise.

     

    Was there other stuff on this show? I can barely remember. The Bryan stuff was fine if you aren't leery about them doing the right thing Mania. Lesnar killing Henry is a running joke at this point. Cesaro needs to make a full turn and dispatch Swagger as quickly as possible. Those Punk teases were weak.

  19. Coming off a stretch where several of the top Mania matches had multi-year builds, it's weird to think this year's could be a WM 16 level clusterfuck. Mind you, a WM 16 level clusterfuck would be preferable to sticking it out with Orton/Batista.

     

    Bring on Punk/HHH and Bryan being thrown into the title match for no (kayfabe) reason!

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