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    I always thought it was the brand split era. To me, that was defining characteristic between the Invasion and PG eras. It's a divisive time with some of the best and worst efforts from WWE this century, characterized by one brand being pretty good while the other was terrible. I don't recall both brands ever being good top to bottom at the same time. 


    The "brand split" was 9 years long though, which feels like too long for 1 era - though with that comes the issue of naming the 2nd era.


    I think Ruthless Aggression ends in mid-2007 with the end of the split-brand PPVs and the death of Benoit. Later that year Punk wins the ECW Title, Jeff Hardy feuds with Umaga and emerges as a player. Fat like Lashley and Masters (he sucked then) were trimmed. RVD left too, thanks to Orton who became 'The Viper' and actually a proper main-eventer, Edge became #1 heel on SD, HHH goes on his first proper face singles run, Jericho returns. Lots of people dropped weight, and the style became a little quicker as a result. I'm not sure what I'd call this era, but I think 2002-2007 and 2007-2011 deserve separate treatment.




    When I break up "eras" in my mind, I think the Brand Split runs from 2002 to 2008. It starts to fade out when the re-introudce joint ppvs all year, and guys start appearing on both shows more and more in 2007. Yes it's a long stretch, but really the differences between WWE in 2002 and 2007 are pretty non-existant outside of the expected roster turnover. The next massive change in the presentation of WWE was when they went PG in the summer of 08. Eras are pretty fluid, though, so of course you still have remnants of the brand split after 2008, but it's less and less important and PG has a much more dramatic influence on the direction and presentation in WWE. The difference between the unprotected head-shot and blade-fests of the HHH/Michaels influence and the PG style is actually pretty stark if you watch some shows from that time frame.


    It's hard to determine when eras begin and end until well after they're over, but I'm thinking PG might have been on the way out as the driving influence since 2011 or so as everyone got acclimated to it and more guys started inside of it. We may or may not have officially entered the indy era at some point. 


    But regardless of what you want to call that mid-2000s time frame, it was a very up and down era. Not surprising given how much time it covers and how thin the roster was spread.

  2. I always thought it was the brand split era. To me, that was defining characteristic between the Invasion and PG eras. It's a divisive time with some of the best and worst efforts from WWE this century, characterized by one brand being pretty good while the other was terrible. I don't recall both brands ever being good top to bottom at the same time. 

  3. HHH and Steph really killed it on the show tonight. That Steph-narrated video package was quality heel work, HHH is the king of guest commentary, and the way he sold during Bryan's sneak attack was perfect. Bryan was great as usual with all his fire, and the end segment just looked great on tv. It's amazing how much of an afterthought Dave and Randy are for Mania.


    Nothing else too notable on this show. Del Rio kind of doing the Warrior's Way was neat, AJ took a nice bump off the Rear View, and I'm kind of sad to see the tag titles get bumped to the "pre-show" although with the network, my concept of pre and main show is probably obsolete. It will probably get a lot more time this way too. 

  4. I think Mojo's first step to improving will be to hit one fucking move at the start of the match when he's so "hyped" instead of standing there and letting his opponent take it to him.


    Alternatively, he could start playing up a "poor cardio" gimmick as a rib on Batista.

  5. Overall this one reminds me of WM17, in that they have this huge industry-changing moment in the Network debut that happened right before Mania, and in doing so it kind of stolen WM's thunder and took the company's focus off of this show. I get that if Bryan wins everyone goes home happy, and that he is and should be the focal point. But we're setting the bar pretty low for the biggest show of the year if all we expect is for them to do a kinda-sorta-barely adequate job of culminating exactly one storyline in the span of a full year.


    If this show is half as good as WM 17, I'll be ecstatic.


    Although it's funny how that show turned out so great when the build was terrible as you alluded to. You had the purchase of WCW being a footnote in the McMahon family drama, Austin coming off a loss to HHH at No Way Out and most of the Rock feud centered around Debra, Angle going from champ to meaningless midcard match with Benoit, Jericho peeing in Regal's tea, a no-effort TLC rehash, and the usual assortment of midcard filler. It really only had HHH/Taker as the lone good feud and couple good promos from Austin/Rock that everyone remembers instead of the Debra stuff.


    Hopefully this show can go down the same path where the matches/big spots end up being so good, everyone will forget how we got there.

  6. Summer showing up at Nattie's house "out of the blue" was, to use some cross-over smarky jargon, business-exposing bad. If I were Nattie, I'd be less worried about Summer flirting with some dudes and more worried with who stooged off my address. And you'd think two trained professional wrestlers could pull off a more convincing worked fight...


    I liked the episode a lot up to that point, though. Summer and Eva burying Nattie in the car was funny, and Bryan ruled it whenever he was on camera. "We could talk about contemporary global issues."

  7. We need "Shield's gonna kill you" to catch on. Only thing their awesome face act is missing is a distinctive chant.


    And I think Rollins and Ambrose are naming their moves after albums from classic metal bands. The triple powerbomb could be named "And Justice For All" and it would be perfect.

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  8. So, I guess no one knew that the new NXT went up yesterday? Surprised no one's talking about this show, or at least the main event.


    Mojo continues to disappoint, and I am never going to stop hating his current match formula/gimmick combo.


    Breeze/Woods and Graves/Tatsu were solid matches that did what they needed to do. Once Corey Graves rounds out his moveset and gets better at working the early stages of a match, he's going to be a serious player. A lot of matches with Zayn could probably help him along considerably.


    The divas match was surprisingly good, probably the best Nattie has looked in years. Charlotte reminds me of a less confident Michelle McCool right now, but when she starts to trust her athleticism and not relying on Ric Flair call-backs to get herself over (seriously the name Charlotte is enough), she could be pretty special. The spot where she got stepped on in the splits then dropkicked was nice, and she really ate the discus lariat too. The knee work and submission duel was decent, but Charlotte needs to get away from the figure 4.  Use your dad to get your foot in the door, but you've got enough going for you that you don't need to be a non-stop tribute act, girl.


    Bret looked like he totally didn't want to be there either.


    The Neville/Dallas re-match was easily the best NXT match since Zayn/Cesaro. Really good counter-based match that both guys seemed comfortable in. Dallas was laying in the strikes, and Neville was bumping and flying as only he can. That superkick and reverse shooting star press or whatever the hell that was looked tremendous. Every time I watch Neville, I can't get over how effortlessly he moves around and the complexity of the moves he pulls off. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he's the most technically advanced high flyer in wrestling history. He still keeps it in the context of the match, though, and knows when to hit stuff out of nowhere and when to build to a big payoff. Both guys came out of this match looking good, and I hope Adrian Neville gets a nice reign to show his stuff.

  9. Taker-Brock probably goes closer to 40-45, if you include entrances and exit.


    Yeah, that's probably the biggest reason my format is wishful thinking. I'm really hoping the match itself doesn't go more than 10 minutes because (1) it's not that interesting, (2) Lesnar is at his best when he sprints, and (3) Taker doesn't need to be working long matches against the stiffest guy on the roster at his age.


    I'm back and forth on where to put HHH/Bryan. I think the battle royal has to open just because of entrances, unless you do all of them and the musical performance at the same time. That's the only way I could see it in the middle of the show, although it still ends up taking way more time than it should that way. I think HHH/Bryan should go on early because why would kayfabe HHH not want to rest between matches? The only way it works back to back is if they do a quick DQ where HHH leaves Bryan for dead (of course he would still win the title) and then do the real blowoff at Extreme Rules, but I kinda hate that idea. 

  10. I came up with this wishful thinking layout. Video packages/entrances included in total time. 


    Battle Royal - 20 min (assuming most/all entrances on preshow)

    Bryan vs. HHH - 35 min 

    Tag titles - 15 minutes 

    Divas title - 10 minutes

    Cena vs. Bray - 30 minutes

    Shield vs. Authority - 15 minutes

    Taker vs. Lesnar - 25 minutes

    WWE title/celebration - 30 minutes


    That gives you 3 hours of action with 45 minutes left over for a Hogan promo, the HOF spot, a music performance, a couple backstage segments, and some video package/entrance under-estimation margin of error.


    Now I can be horribly disappointed when the tag titles get cut, The Shield get kept under 10, Hogan rambles for half an hour, and Taker/Lesnar drags for no reason.

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  11. Wade is one of those 'lost generation' guys that came in and got lost in the shuffle like right before the WWE was like 'oh shit we have to make new stars' and NXT becoming what it currently is. 


    Who else belongs on that list? It's a fair amount of talented people.


    Dolph is the most egregious, and had the insulting misfortune of them trying to rectify their mistake by giving him a babyface push not only 3 years too late, but right in the middle of Daniel Bryan's meteoric rise.


    I know he's not too popular around here, but I think they really missed the boat with Kofi. They had something going with him during the Orton feud in 09, but he lost the rubber match there, and it's been nothing but aimless midcarding ever since. A heel turn might have salvaged him a 2-3 years ago, but he's damaged goods now and the rest of the roster is way too strong for him to ever make another run to the top.


    Possible cases could be made for Swagger and Cody, but I really don't think those two have the charisma to be real main eventers.

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  12. The more I think I about it, the more I'm against NXT guys being on the main show in any capacity. It undermines the whole concept of being a development league and the importance of everyone in NXT chasing their dream to be on the main roster and having an opportunity to compete at Wrestlemania. 


    A pre-show match makes a lot more sense. Even though it would be for exactly the same audience, it still protects the image of the Wrestlemania dream in a way. And the promotional opportunity is just too big to pass up.

  13. Poor Ryback will be haunted by The Shield for his entire career. The number of triple powerbombs he's taken has to be in or nearing double digits.


    Can't imagine Show joining the Wyatts, there's really no use for him there. I'm sure his comment is just to push the idea that they can get in anyone's head.

  14. I can't think of a more disparate reaction I've had between two matches with the same guys in them. 


    HHH/Randy Orton (LMS No Mercy 07 vs. WM 25)


    Also, random observation... I was looking through the old NXT show lineups (when it was a competition), and although the winners flamed out big time, each of the first three seasons gave us a top tier star. The worked voting really couldn't have been much worse for picking future stars.


    Season 1: Wade Barrett - Daniel Bryan 

    Season 2: Kaval - Husky Harris/Bray Wyatt

    Season 3: Kaitlyn - AJ


    Season 4 continued the trend of retrospectively terrible winners (Johnny Curtis), but no one worth a damn came from that show either.

  15. Not to discredit Cena in any way because he is unquestionably good, but Luke Harper has looked like a future champ every time he's gotten a sliver of opportunity in the ring. His part in the Wyatts vs. Bryan gauntlet, his role in the Shield tags, and some of his beastly sequences against the Usos in throwaway tag matches will attest to that.

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  16. Is it weird that I'm more excited about a match involving the New Age Outlaws than a match involving Brock Lesnar? I didn't think it was possible, but here we are.


    The writing for Taker/Lesnar has been totally phoned in, but the stuff with Kane and The Shield is surprisingly inspired. 

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