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  1. No. I’m quite enjoying Vince-free pro wrestling.
    13 points
  2. My one life skill is being able to buy wrestling tickets that are low, but high enough to be over the heads of people standing on the floor.
    13 points
  3. Shit, we have our own touring match throughout multiple threads on this very board.
    11 points
  4. 11 points
  5. TBH Hogan proved with Pastamania that he probably would have failed at another supposed food deal too Also, I love this board so much. We can drag a great conversation about racial disparity, patriotism, blackness, boxing, and US history from "Hogan opens mouth, inserts foot. Again."
    10 points
  6. Not much to add other than seconding @ExcellenceofAirPollution that the 8-man really want to see a ZSJ-Kyle O’Reilly match. Mark Briscoe is possessed by the spirit of Dusty Rhodes. Conglomeration is a good name for that group too, since in geology a conglomerate is formed by different fragments being cemented together. OC lost Best Friends. KOR left the Undisputed. Mark lost his brother and lifelong tag partner. But they came together seeing other people like them who needed help.
    10 points
  7. I’m here too. It feels like TK is leaning heavily into the “booking for the sickos” thing the last couple of weeks and, honestly, isn’t that the answer? To be a true alternative, just book crazy shit for DVDVR and let WWE do the epic glossy Marvel movie stuff Just go full bore with batshit insane WAR 6 mans we’ve always wanted to see. That’s the audience. Stuff like MJF and the Devil very clearly wasn’t the audience And now, with that said, give me Ishii / Jeff Jarrett you cowards
    10 points
  8. Jacob Fatu gave me my greatest wrestling related compliment a few years back when a match I called with him and Boyce LeGrande was so good he passed it on to Booker T ahead of an appearance on his podcast because he thought it was a great showcase for him and my commentary really made it pop. And now the dude just took out the WWE champ and two top babyfaces on his first night in the company in dominant fashion. I couldn’t be happier for him. Strap the rocket to him.
    9 points
  9. Shane joining the Patriarchy after Christian buries his father would be so surreal it would almost be worth it.....
    9 points
  10. GET YO ASS OUT OF HERE JACK PERRY! That fucking killed me. Him and Okada are two of the funniest fucking guys.
    9 points
  11. I'm glad the crowd came across well on TV as I thought we were pretty loud and into things. The final attendance ended up being pretty solid so I hope they come back. This was my first AEW show and thus of course my first AEW TV taping, and I have to say they really keep things moving. Both the in-ring talking segments felt short to normal, there were only a couple true commercial breaks and I never felt bored or the need to stand up/walk around. Rampage was really good too, no spoilers but it felt like one of the better ones recently. Overall a great night of wrestling. Justin Roberts is absolutely horrible at talking to the crowd during commercials, to the point I hope he was intentionally being cringe for laughs. TK came out three times to hype us up. I am glad my wrestling fandom lives on the same timeline as Tony Khan's live eFed experiment, what a time.
    9 points
  12. It is the only way to get Kurt to sell consistently.
    9 points
  13. I love the Joe/Hook pairing. Their exchange before busting into The Premiere Athletes locker room reminded me of the exchange between Jules and Vincent from Pulp Fiction before busting into Brett's apartment. Too bad we already got Statlander and Willow cosplaying as Jules and Vincent because that would have been perfect for Joe and Hook. Shibata could be Jimmie, in his bathrobe with his gourmet, expensive coffee.
    8 points
  14. I don't think anyone named her yet but I think Willow is the biggest success story. Started her AEW career with eight straight Dark losses.
    8 points
  15. I know that guy (Octopus does too). It's Ryry from the AEW Discord. Same guy who had the DC hearts NYLA sign way back in the day. When it went to PinP, Excalibur took the time to explain that it was NoVa as in Northern Virginia, and not "that guy who stole everyone's moves".
    8 points
  16. Kazuchika Okada vs Ultimo Guerrero is some Extreme Warfare Revenge booking shit if I saw it.
    8 points
  17. My understanding is that it went as follows: - Russo was insisting that they needed to do something surprising - Schiavone sarcastically said "why don't we put the title on Arquette, that'd be surprising" - Russo took the sarcasm as a legitimate suggestion and ran with it Considering how sarcastic Schiavone is and how earnest Russo is, I think that's the legitimate chain of events.
    8 points
  18. I called three of these matches in three different states in one weekend (Dover, OH; Buckhannon, WV; Mt. Washington, PA)
    8 points
  19. Yep, it was really the Holyfield fight that got the ball rolling on that. However, to the earlier point, it's funny cause Foreman was in that apolitical sphere during the prime of his career in the 70s. If anything, he was fighting that "big dumb oaf" vibe as this new era Sonny Liston where he's out there annihilating people with jabs and barely touching them. However, to quote Richard Pryor about Leon Spinks, "nobody ever said the heavyweight champion had to be no etymologist, anyway". Problem was he found himself in Ali's shadow much like Holmes later on and before that the pretenders to the throne fighting in that heavyweight tournament for the vacant world title and Joe Frazier up until he beat Ali in the first fight. What happened was much like Ali during his three year imposed hiatus, Foreman was able to reinvent himself without virtually doing anything. In the time Foreman was gone in the late 70s to the mid 80s and early in his second comeback fighting randoms, boxing had suffered a serious image problem much like the NBA around the same time period. Half of the combatants were on recreational drugs. Like Tyrell Biggs won the gold medal at the 84 Olympic games and was in rehab before the year was done. Kennedy McKinney had the same thing virtually after the 1988 Olympic games before coming back in the 90s and winning some world titles. And that's the U.S. Olympians. Fighters who were on the road to being great potentially like Michael Dokes were out there (in his own words) doing enough cocaine to kill a rhino. I dunno how much cocaine would actually kill a rhino but that sounds like a lot especially for one man. Hector Camacho and Aaron Pryor would disappear months and even years at a time battling addiction. That shit consumed the sport and almost destroyed it. Commentators (Al Michaels, Tim Ryan, Barry Tompkins, Jim Lampley, etc.) were on boxing broadcasts talking about cocaine, heroin, alcohol, and pill addictions like folks talk about coming back from torn ACLs and Tommy John surgery. It got to a point where it was a really casual. It was scary. That compounded with the newest supernova Mike Tyson going from bashful big kid from Brownsville to the Robin Givens ordeal and then later what happened in Indy gave folks the power to create this revisionist history around the supposed glory days of boxing. George Foreman was able to benefit greatly from that. In literally twenty years, not being well spoken goes from unappealing to all of sudden you can put "Big" George Foreman's face on every goddamn thing. He's this sportsman ambassador that transcends race in America, which very few people could do then and now. Muhammad Ali had to lose his career, lose his world titles, lose three crucial years of his prime, watch his name and religion be dragged through the mud, and then later develop Parkinson's disease that made it hard for him to communicate so he could become that. All George had to do was smile and shamelessly plug everything. Meanwhile, Hogan even five and six years removed from the steroid controversy and when WCW and specifically the nWo was white hot never had that type of popularity. Hogan was never really associated with this beloved bygone era other than this cartoon superhero pro wrestling that a lot of people aged out of. On top of that, the cause and effect allowed Hogan to have that mini rebirth anyway. If Hogan stayed this sanitized guy when folks clearly knew there is at least a decent bit of bullshit artist/con man in him, he would have faded away much like many of his contemporaries. However, that wasn't enough to make him this incredible pitchman. In the wrestling bubble which to be fair at the time was a huge bubble, he was a big star. Outside of that bubble, business as usual.
    7 points
  20. Couple other things. First One related to this quote. This obviously isn’t a 1:1 comparison, but when Raw/WWF looked like they were on their deathbed and there were even talks about WWF potentially folding (I remember this coming up frequently enough on WOR during the Eyada days and in the newsletter), they were starting to crank out good content on a consistent basis. It’s the last time you could look at Vince’s booking and say he was consistent and stuck with what was working despite things looking bleak. He actually stayed the course. Of course they had Austin (intermittently due to injuries), DX, the Nation and the Rock, Mankind, the Hart Foundation, etc. and those legendary acts are going to help, but they didn’t lead to an immediate turnaround at the time. Even still, they stuck with what they were doing week to week. He figured out what fans loved the most or at least he had decent storylines and he kept it going. A month of good wrestling and stories aren’t going to turn things around. Neither will 2 or 3 months, but if you stay consistent, it will turn around. Let the other company make mistakes and retake the market share that you have ceded to NXT, Raw, and SD. Basically, “It’s a problem you think we need to explain ourselves. Don’t. To anybody.” They’re on a roll. They have something in Ospreay. They have something in Swerve. They have something in Mark. Then there’s the no brainer guys like OC, Joe, the Elite, Toni, Mone, etc. MJF, while I hated his title reign and think he’s a bit overrated, should be positioned as a featured act. Like the clip says, they need to see this thing through, for better or worse. NXT is developmental and they’re going to falter when they rebuild again. Hell, I’m the process of seeing this through, you might actually, gasp, create more fans and grow the market for all of wrestling. This would include TNA. When WWF had their best legendary talent, they were in the pits ratings wise even putting on good shows or shows better than Nitro week to week. AEW isn’t even in that dire of a situation. They just need to stay the course. Now is not the time to shake things up. Secondly, the TV landscape is fucked up and makes no sense. Even with AEW doing their worst viewership number ever, they were still 3rd on the night. I have no idea how much of an impact Juneteenth of the Kendrick concert had, but it’s something. One of my friends out in LA didn’t specially say he and his friends were celebrating Juneteenth, but he did say this was their actual “beach day.” They do it every year on 6/19. I believe @Ace lives in the socal area so maybe he can weigh in, but is this something tied to Juneteenth? From what my friend said, the beaches they went to were all packed and they eventually had to settle on one. Then after being at the beach so day they went back to someone’s house to hang out and cook. I have no clue if one has anything to do with the other, but I don’t think you can discount 6/19 having an impact on viewership when everything was down to the point where with their worst number ever, Dynamite was still third and they’ll probably still be up high enough for the entire week. Even WBD has dismissed it. And related to all of that, something is amiss with TV numbers. I know folks point to it not being a good look to run large venues, but TK has mentioned in the past how they get a better deal to run those venues than smaller ones. It makes more sense financially to keep doing that then. Anyway, their live event numbers are fine, their PPV numbers are some of the most consistent buyrates I’ve ever seen, but the TV is falling off? I told the story in the past about how we were a Nielsen household and eventually I stopped it because it was way too intrusive and a pain in the ass. I don’t believe for one second that ONLY less than 600k people were watching Dynamite. I don’t believe that ONLY a couple million people are watching Raw or SD. And I know that’s how it’s supposed to work. They take a sample of the people watching and expand that to a certain number and everyone goes off of that number. It’s insane that we’re in the 2020s and everyone still relies on Nielsen as much as they do. I just don’t think it’s realistic. If it were, WWE wouldn’t consistently have record setting gates, sellouts, and merch sales and AEW wouldn’t have consistently good attendance numbers and buyrates. It just all doesn’t add up.
    7 points
  21. All of this talk and talk and talk about a low rating, that's still higher than the half a million that WBD said they'd be happy with. It's a load of nonsense. Do fans of soap operas go on the internet and rant and rave about how Eastenders is crushing Coronation Street, and go LOLEmmerdale or LOLHollyoaks? I don't think they do. They watch the shows they like, which is usually all of them.
    7 points
  22. I think you meant aides...now if Hogan had AIDS I think it might be the first time in history people rooted for the disease...
    7 points
  23. It was just a ten minute match. It had a build over two weeks with multiple backstage segments. It was set up by the Premier Athletes having a promo package and winning a squash. It was to heat up the trio of Joe/Shibata/Hook to set up the post match of the Jericho match and the challenge. They did everything right! On paper it’s perfectly good booking. There was nothing more they could do! There’s plenty they’re doing wrong but this was done exactly how it was supposed to be. There were no gaps. Seamless. Complain about something else. Or at least note that the issue is the theory and not the execution because the execution was perfect. You just weren’t paying attention.
    7 points
  24. Dang! I did NOT have "I would be OK with Double J winning the Owen now" on my AEW BINGO card! O how I wish Nigel would just shut the fuck up once in a while. Him ragging on Tony S is the polar opposite of entertaining. I really enjoyed Okada vs U.G. Those delightful "only in AEW matches" keep me coming back for more. Hope Daddy Magic isn't badly injured. More rough- and sloppy-looking moments on the show in general than is usual, today. The latest ratings numbers for Dynamite, per WON, look absolutely f'n BRUTAL. I am sure EVERYBODY thinks that all AEW has to do to turn it around is cater to their own specific tastes. So, allow me: Ratings were highest when AEW was a big, goofy indie! IN ALL SINCERITY: I honestly believe AEW is hurting themselves badly by becoming more polished professional and corporate. They were WAY better off when positioning themselves as a scruffy underdog and differentiating themselves as much as possible from the E and creating a community feel for the fans. Like a big indie. They moved away from that in order to grow and it has COMPLETELY backfired. They were WAY better off when they respected their fans' intelligence. Go back to that.QUIT TRYING TO APPEASE THE PRO WRESTLING GRANDPAS AND CORNETTE FANS WHO WILL *NEVER* ACCEPT YOU ANYWAY! Reduce your f'n ticket prices and fix your f'n video game! Every fan you fuck over is a fan you genuinely risk losing. Be a craft brewery instead of a 2nd rate corporate brewery. Be Five Guys instead of Burger King. Be purely Lollapalooza instead of adding little pinches of Monsters of Rock to try and "broaden the appeal" You are SO GOOD at catering to the hardcore fanbase. DO THAT! Quit sucking up to the people who don't get you. BE TRUE TO YOURSELF! And. MOST IMPORTANTLY! FUCK OFF WITH THE IRON SAVAGES AND TITTY CITY! BRING BACK OUR BELOVED GOOFY BEAR COUNTY!! Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Ospreay vs Huge Guy matches are almost always amazing. Start with Shibata, Joe, & Hook and finish with Ospreay vs Cage and you'll NEVER (completely) lose me, AEW. Although, as a Canadian living in Japan I contribute ZERO to those all-important same day US TV ratings anyway.
    7 points
  25. With regard to the actual rating, I will go back to my standard talking points: 1) Live ratings are going down around the board, and will continue to go down as cable continues to die. The streaming TV providers, like YouTube TV and Hulu Live TV, are starting to lose subscribers in large amounts too. I saw an article the other day that YouTube TV lost subscribers for the first time in 2024, I believe somewhere in the neighborhood of 100k subscribers. That's a drop in the bucket, but the market is going to shrink. This is why AEW's next U.S. deal absolutely needs a streaming platform to go along with it. 2) Nothing is really appointment TV anymore outside of live sports. This is why I'm annoyed that only same day numbers get reported, and nobody goes back for live+3s or live+7s. A lot of people do watch via DVR or on demand. This week is the first week after school for a significant amount of school areas and families were taking vacations. TV is just not a priority. Losing a third of your audience isn't a "something better was on", it was a "we're not watching TV at all" moment. 3) AEW really does need to do more to connect with a wider net of audiences. They have been doing a better job with angles lately, so they get credit there, but most things with angles/storylines need months to pay off to draw people in to show that there will be consistency. I think if they keep it up for six months, that will be a big help. I don't think Tony Khan saying "I'm booking for the sickos" does them any favors. I do think if they borrowed from NXT and focused on women more, that would help; women's sports are a hot topic now, and NXT have seen their ratings and interest go up by focusing on the women. (Something I've been saying for what... five years? lol)
    7 points
  26. Yeah, I mean the few murders I've committed I always made a point to get a Jalapeno & Cheese afterwards.
    7 points
  27. Made from real gorilla chest!
    7 points
  28. The level of delusion from Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff during this is just Trump levels of what the fuck. Bro bro bro if you look at the first three months after I got there we had good storylines. Did you? Really? Are you sure about that? Now I’m wondering if maybe the “Who Killed WCW” moniker isn’t so much about building to who killed it, or an admission, but rather showing the audience by way of these interviews that if you want to know who killed WCW, it’s these morons and man-children that we’re giving most of the interview time to. Just listen to them and their level of delusion and idiocy and vanity and then listen to the short clips of the actual executives with professional experience in the TV industry. The contrast is stark. I just kind of walked away from that third episode thinking, ok, I get it now, they’re showing the audience in a subtle way that it’s Bischoff, Russo, Hogan, and Nash who killed the company because just listen to the lunacy that comes out of their mouths. They’re all bickering and pointing the finger at one another, but that bickering and finger pointing really just exposes that they’re the problem. I don’t think too many will get that and the fourth episode will show it was Kellner who made the call to cancel it, but the company was dead long before then. It would almost be better if they did the Last Dance thing and had Bret or Sullivan or Siegel or someone else that’s somewhat rational and show them being given an iPad showing what Russo and Bischoff were saying and then have those guys react and point out if you want to know who killed the company then just listen to the words coming out of Russo and Bischoff and Nash. But that won’t happen because the Rock is such a politician that he’ll play nice. I would say fuck it, it’s my documentary, I got their participation and permission to air their interviews, and now I’m going to show how other people in WCW that weren’t idiots react to what those guys were saying in their interviews. Essentially the Michael Jordan saying Isaiah Thomas is full of shit moment.
    7 points
  29. I just rewatched the segment. It was an over 5 minute single camera tracking shot. They are so fucking good at those. The slow pace of the camera and the single piano note and the anonymous bodies and carnage gave it such an awesome horror movie Blair Witch feel. I also love that there is a reason for the lights to turn out and the ominous sound since they hijacked the back area. A+ for the staging and blocking of something that is really hard to pull off.
    7 points
  30. Was Snuka vs Metal Maniac the pro wrestling version of Globetrotters vs Generals?
    7 points
  31. I think one of the bigger points is what's considered to be a patriotic tends to have a lot of goal post movement. I mean Ruby Ridge happened. Waco happened. The Unabomber happened. Matter of fact, guess what happened three days before Foreman fought Axel Schulz? The Oklahoma City bombing. Nobody ever went, "Shit, I guess white people ain't happy to be here." Another thing is if people like you, then they like you. Especially if you can keep a strong facade. When the George Foreman biopic came out a couple years ago now, some things came to light about George that probably would have destroyed his image had it been 20+ years prior. But that's the thing. Ray Mercer represented the USA on the 1988 boxing team in the Olympics while being in the U.S. Army. If you can find something more patriotic than serving your country, I would like to know. However, because his disposition ain't that pleasant looking and he looks like he can knock your head into the nearest body of water, he never really got marketed as being this proud American guy who everyone should look up to. I never heard stories about Mercer being on drugs or having a lot issues boxers usually have. Granted, he had some stumbles in terms of focus that hurt his career in ring that were largely his fault. However, he didn't get the steam on him the same as a Tommy Morrison. As Mercer tells the story surrounding sort of the business side of their fight, Mercer was a getting raw deal in terms of his purse by Top Rank who I believe promoted both guys at the time and chose to take it out on Tommy. Poor Tommy Morrison almost got decapitated. Tommy was presented as the All-American guy. Humble and well spoken. Always giving great analysis post fight about what he could do better even if he won by first round KO. He became the picture of what an All-American looks like and Mercer is just this black guy. Then, once Morrison sort of fades into obscurity when the HIV diagnosis abruptly halts his career, it comes out that Tommy was out there partying, doing drugs, and cheating on his significant other at every turn being with a different woman every night. Before the diagnosis though, Don King signed him and was positioning him to fight Tyson later in 1996 after Tyson could unify the titles. Morrison being taken out of the picture entirely sped up the Tyson-Holyfield deal. If he had gotten the fight though, he's going to be the babyface in that whole thing when in actuality Tyson and Morrison had a lot more in common than many would expect at the time. However, Morrison was able to keep up that facade until it came down entirely. When race is involved, it tends to distort things. You can tag someone with any label even if that label makes absolutely no sense.
    6 points
  32. I've been saying this for a while now whenever people use the "there are great matches" point, but great matches simply aren't enough. There needs to be a hook for people to want to come back. That means something that entices them to watch next week, every week, with consistency. I can go to YouTube and watch a great match in a vacuum any time I want. I don't have to set my reminder at 8:00pm every Wednesday for it. The Attitude Era had absolutely dogshit wrestling, but people wanted to see if Stone Cold was going to take it to Vince, or what the Rock was going to say, or what the NWO was going to do, or if Sting, Lex Luger, and DDP could stop them. The actual in-ring matters as well, but you need characters people like and reasons to get behind them, and jerks for those likable guys to beat up, and there needs to be consistency behind it. You can literally have both! You can have great in-ring and great characters! But there's an inordinate amount of focus on the in-ring and it's going to tank things.
    6 points
  33. I wanna know who watches BBT re-runs and then says "eh, fuck it, I'll stick around for 2 hours of wrestling." If there's 250,000 of those people, TK can shell out to have Jim Parsons take Christopher Daniels' role.
    6 points
  34. TK, ARE YOU READING THIS?!?!! REAL SICKOS WANT THIS!
    6 points
  35. I don’t know if anyone is talking about Shane McMahon sending out feelers for AEW or not but think about it if Shane signs to AEW we are one step closer to Shane vs Sasuke.
    6 points
  36. I hope he called him a bitch.
    6 points
  37. I just went to the liquor store and the clerk had an Okada shirt on. That blew my mind.
    6 points
  38. "Doom time???" "You told me to be a little extra!' "We need to workshop that." Tremendous
    6 points
  39. I demand a Mark Briscoe old school rasslin' promo every show.
    6 points
  40. 6 points
  41. https://preview.redd.it/zrgsapfsvh7d1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=892da80f93049e657d7172c56885194f6ebd8338
    6 points
  42. Meaning it was probably Bill Hicks.
    6 points
  43. It's basically like being mad at the sex worker for doing sex work and not the situation that resulted in them becoming a sex worker. I'm not going to fault someone for getting their money doing something that's legal.
    6 points
  44. No matter how hard I try... you keep pushing me aside... And I can't break through... There's no talking to you Well, last week had quite a few debuts and surprises, didn't it! There are now more Samoans and Tongans than ever on Smackdown! Drew McIntyre quits live on Raw! And even on NXT... someone said his name! It's so sad that you're leaving, it takes time to believe it.... But after all is said and done, you're gonna be the lonely one, oh! And even with all that, we're still well on the road to Money in the Bank in a couple of weeks! More qualifying matches this week! And ooh, Breakker/Kaiser tonight! Do you believe in life after love? I can feel something inside me say, I really don't think you're strong enough, no! But of course, the big story of the week is the debut of the Wyatt Sick6 as they begin their reign of terror... but first, Whataburger! Did I expect to use the gayest song of the 1990s for this week? No. But sooner or later, we will all BO-LIEVE! Happy Pride everyone!
    5 points
  45. I agree with this, broadly. However, with all respect, I think it's a mistake to fold these sorts of neo-Nazi or largely white right-wing Christian movements into what was happening with race relations broadly and black-white race relations specifically in the '90s. Nobody ever suggested that white people weren't happy to be here because those events you mention were cast in the media as fringe movements, not as a mainstream way of thinking or living for greater white America. That's very different from the events I mentioned, which were cast as some sort of historical referendum on black Americans no matter who they were or where they wre from. I'm not suggesting that how these events were cast was true or accurate; I'm just suggesting that the media's choice of framing on these events was different and held a lot of power in terms of how Foreman was embraced by the wider American public. I think it's important to look at how race relations were polling in the 1990s: https://news.gallup.com/poll/318851/perceptions-white-black-relations-sink-new-low.aspx Specifically: Optimism about the future of relations between the two racial groups was below 50% in the mid- to late 1990s, spanning the Rodney King riots and O.J. Simpson case. You can look at the chart below this quote at the link and see the polling for this issue dipped to 29% (!) believing that black-white relations would ever be positive in 1995/96. Personally, I can only read Foreman's new-found popularity in that context, but I understand if others don't. 100%. One of the things that I'll note w/r/t Foreman's public persona is that it certainly did lighten up during his comeback. I just recently read Norman Mailer's The Fight, and in it, Mailer makes a point of noting the juxtaposition between how Foreman is seen by the greater white American audience and what Foreman has said about his upbringing, which is boilerplate WASP-culture stuff about uplifting oneself, America being a nation of opportunity for anyone if they just do the right thing, being proud to wave the American flag at the same Olympics that John Carlos and Tommie Smith held up black gloves, etc. So while I do think that how Americans broadly view patriotism matters, I don't think it's the mainstream beliefs about what is patriotic that really changes very much. America is, for good and ill, heavily defined by Puritan-influenced WASP culture. But times change, and contexts change, and Foreman saying and doing these things in 1974 post-Civil Rights Movement when there's a bunch of pushback against the gains of that era is taken very differently than in 1994, when the pushback era has sort of eroded after H.W. Bush has left office and there is a new generation of voters who have noticed that the post-Great Society revolution that was supposed to happen w/r/t race (and everything else) didn't happen. I think Foreman didn't change much inwardly. What he did change was his outward persona, but again, that's contextual. It's hard to be a smiling, joyful black American in 1974 in the midst of post-CRM pushback and with Ali derisively pointing out your patriotism. In 1994, it's much easier to do that with no Ali there picking at you, 25 years after the CRM, and with mainstream white America looking for a sign that not all is lost w/r/t race relations between white and black Americans. 1000%. I think the label that '90s Foreman got compared to '70s Foreman is the far more accurate label even though Foreman really didn't change much about what he was saying about himself and his identity. Now, to swing this back to Hogan, the reason this is one of my favorite Hogan fibs is because Hogan doesn't understand anything about how and why George Foreman was important to the national identity of the '90s, which is why Foreman got that grill deal. It's especially funny because Hogan was hugely important to the national identity of the '80s, so you'd hope that he'd stopped for a second or two to think about why he got that popular, so popular that everyone from every demo in America knew who he was. It would have maybe lent him some insight into why telling this particular fib about the grill doesn't hold up if you stop to think about it for three seconds. I know that there are many very successful people who think they were pre-ordained to be successful rather than considering themselves and the contexts that they came up in, but Hogan might be the textbook example of that type of person.
    5 points
  46. This is the full segment that closed the show. One absolutely lovely little touch that sells Jacob like a million bucks and a gigantic problem is the way the Tongans both look at each other right before they throw up the 1's. It's "oh fuck, what have we gotten ourselves into?" It will be one of those moments that when, not if, this all blows up in Solo's face, you'll definitely remember.
    5 points
  47. Let Darby cut a promo backstage about "The Best in the World" again. Launch the following Rampage with Shane.
    5 points
  48. I agree. There was so much good stuff tonight that it's hard to pick what I liked most. Everything tonight just clicked.
    5 points
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