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1 hour ago, just drew said:

I'd forgotten all about that second run. 

I wasn't actively watching at the time but a friend I worked with would religiously have Raw on in the office where we worked and I always thought Foley (with the long beard) looked like the most depressed mall Santa Clause standing in the ring next to Stephanie when they were doing that Co-GM deal. 

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20 hours ago, supremebve said:

Umm...I think the difference is that they gave MJF a microphone to go out on the show and say what he said.  Punk, who has spent his entire career adding a bunch of "shoot" backstage shit into his promos, decided to act like a bitch about someone doing the exact same thing to him.  Honestly, every complaint he has is a complaint that multiple people could have about him.  Him accusing anyone else of behaving like a child while having a temper tantrum is absurd.  He is the exact person he's complaining about.  I believe that MJF was legitimately upset about his place in the company, his pay, and probably multiple other things, and they trusted him enough to let him go onto live television to speak about it.  He aired out his grievances without throwing anyone else under the bus.  That is not nearly the same as what Punk did.  Punk got personal with a bunch of people in a public forum that lead to a brawl.  The 26 year old was able to say everything he wanted to say in a way that could reflect poorly on himself, but no one else.  The 43 year old started a fight with 3 of the people who founded the damn company. 

"Without throwing anyone else under the bus"? Well, other than Tony Khan and 'ex-WWE guys,' then yeah. I'm sorry but even if MJF didn't call the ex-WWE guys out by names, he's just as bad as CM Punk is. I was glad that CM Punk (correctly) pointed out MJF's behavior during his press scrum.

Part of me wish Jon Moxley stood in front of MJF and ask him if he's not good enough to lace his boots during his promo Wednesday, but I think AEW having shoot comments during promos is getting old (and would seem like something CM Punk would do by dredging up past statements). And honestly part of me wanted to see MJF get laid out with a shoot headbutt or punch from Moxley because he would deserve it.

I still believe MJF told Tony Khan one thing before going out there to say something else and I believe what he said DOES reflect poorly on everyone at AEW. Not to the same extent as the All Out media scrum. MJF shouldn't be rewarded for doing something CM Punk did years ago by virtue of it being less bad than what CM Punk did.

So let MJF sit at home. If he wants out of AEW so badly, he can lawyer up to get out of his contract. I'm sure Tony Khan wouldn't have a problem with that and might actually let him leave. I don't want to see as part of his character his talking about not wanting to be in AEW and how whatever's going on in WWE would be better. Then he should go if he feels that way.

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Dave Meltzer star ratings:

PAC, Rey Fenix & Penta vs Orange Cassidy, Trent Baretta & Chuck Taylor (AEW Trios Championships): ****.25

Bryan Danielson vs Hangman Adam Page: ****.5

Wheeler Yuta (c) vs Daniel Garcia (ROH Pure Championship): ****.25

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I'd go:

PAC, Rey Fenix & Penta vs Orange Cassidy, Trent Baretta & Chuck Taylor (AEW Trios Championships): ****.25

Bryan Danielson vs Hangman Adam Page: ****.75

Wheeler Yuta (c) vs Daniel Garcia (ROH Pure Championship): ****.5

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Someone may have posted this in the Youtube thread or the general thread but I'm posting it here. This (the postmatch video package/promos by Garcia/Yuta) is just top notch stuff and probably even better than the match itself:

 

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Not embedding, ah well. Paul's got it.
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18 minutes ago, Matt D said:

Someone may have posted this in the Youtube thread or the general thread but I'm posting it here. This (the postmatch video package/promos by Garcia/Yuta) is just top notch stuff and probably even better than the match itself:

https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1568018849013780480

 

I'll try, mate:

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We say this with good video packages but that seriously needs a trimmed-down version of it to air on Dynamite.  I'm very intrigued by what happens next and am glad they're leaning into Yuta's look of despair post-match.

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Oh, I'm looking forward already to Garcia taking part in the Madness pose.  Really should get around to checking out the respective band since Regal talked it up so much on his podcast.

PLUS this adds more fuel to the fire when Yuta turns heel.  He already ditched his supposed friends when that was a lie to him.  Now the idea of his mentor favoring his rival in Garcia is what's really going to set him over the edge.  I'm so here for every bit of this.

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7 hours ago, Zimbra said:

My bet is that they both decide they don't need their respective mentors or factions and go out on their own, either as a team or individually.

I'd like to see Yuta and Garcia maybe have a master - student match for the RoH tag belts with FTR, but it really does look like Yuta has decided to don the heel's mantle that the fans pretty much threw across his shoulders in his loss to Garcia.   

I am not sure if he and Garcia will swap places in their respective stables (it certainly looks that way given Yuta's comments about Danielson), but I don't expect Yuta to work as a babyface or a tweener anymore.  I think he's going to go full blown smug heel and if there is any decent booking left in AEW, Yuta will go back to wearing the athletic trainers everyone hated to the ring if he debuts as the latest member of JAS.

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On 9/8/2022 at 11:31 AM, Fighting a man with a perm said:

Regal's talk of "disco biscuits" took me back to getting drug safety talks from my then 60 year old teacher, Mr Landers, who would always warn us of the dangers of disco biscuits and red headed women.

Mr. Landers was a wise man.

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On 9/7/2022 at 10:49 PM, Curt McGirt said:

EDIT: Oh yeah @Matt D hahaha... you are gonna haaaaaaate Hangman/Dragon. Sorry my friend. 

You had me dreading this one for a few days, but nah, it was ok. Page's biggest problem is the first 5-7 minutes of a match and Danielson totally drove through the first commercial break and almost all the way to the second. There were little things I hated like the kick-to-block-a-clothesline-and-then-clothesline-anyway and the finishing few minutes had a bit too much of hyper Page rushing to get to the next spot as quick as possible, but in general this was fine. Page's all-bomb-offense works much better as hope spots where he'll get one off and then get cut off due to a body part being targeted than as stuff he strings together as he's trying to put together a match. Page has a lot of positive qualities. It's just his overall mentality that's a problem. That just underpins everything and turns all of his hard work to ash. That's why he's terrible if he doesn't have a guy like Danielson or Punk to drive. If he was just miserable all around I wouldn't be so frustrated by him.

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On 9/8/2022 at 6:45 AM, evidence said:

I'm really hoping that whenever MJF goes for the title, it's not done in MITB or Feast Or Fired style even though it would fit his character to win in that fashion. 

THe Casino chip hasn't been used as a MITB.   Would be fun to see MJF try but told it's a sanctioned match at next opportunity.

 

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12 minutes ago, zendragon said:

As far as I'm concerned these two have passed at least jungle boy and possibly sammy as far as "pillars" go

I'll do ya one more and say that casting Jungle Boy and especially Sammy as two of the pillars did more harm than good. It was WAY too early to be throwing that term on them. Way I see it, neither one of them really merit it. Jungle Boy might get there.

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2 hours ago, southofheavy said:

I'll do ya one more and say that casting Jungle Boy and especially Sammy as two of the pillars did more harm than good. It was WAY too early to be throwing that term on them. Way I see it, neither one of them really merit it. Jungle Boy might get there.

Might have really been a mistake to break up Jurassic Express. Wouldn't be opposed to letting these two work more singles matches on Dark to see if they can figure out the other stuff with out over exposing them. I feel the Christian program has really exposed JB as not being ready. If they wanted to put the ROH TV title on one of them and let them do youtube stuff it might before the best

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I'd kinda like to see Taz as the authority figure because I think having a stipulation that he can't make decisions on the ex Team Taz guys could be both a cool way of elevating those 3, but also possibly one of the few interesting things left to do with an authority figure.

But also I don't want to see another authority figure.

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1 hour ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

I'd kinda like to see Taz as the authority figure because I think having a stipulation that he can't make decisions on the ex Team Taz guys could be both a cool way of elevating those 3, but also possibly one of the few interesting things left to do with an authority figure.

But also I don't want to see another authority figure.

People already suggested Paul Wight and adding Taz my mind immediately went to Mad Mad 3 - Master Blaster - type of a deal with those two!

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