All Out IV - 9/4/2022

[elizium]

4 hours ago, Hamhock said:

Now I really wish Ray Traylor was still alive; imagine Dynamite opening with all involved parties being called to the ring, and then Tony K. announces to them all that "starting now, there's going to be some Law and Order around AEW!", whereupon "Hard Times" (which has amazingly somehow been licensed to AEW) begins playing on the PA, and Old Man Traylor comes out in the original Big Bossman outfit and begins clubbering everyone in the ring into unconsciousness with his nightstick. Cutler tries macing him with his cold air cannister, but Bossman does that crescent/wheel-kick thingie move and knocks it out of his hand.

Give Jeff Cobb a night stick and some aviators and change his name to Jeff Cobb County

[Dog]

4 minutes ago, Casey said:

Sapp reporting that Punk didn’t let the Bucks and Omega into his locker room and they basically forced themselves in.

Well, the Bucks did, supposedly Omega didn’t even really care about any of this until he got bit

I demand to hear from @just drewon the plausibility of this.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Dog

[JLowe]

21 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

I think they are a good working act. IMHO there doesn't need to be an end game for the duo right now, until like it gets to the point where it's time for Sting to actually hang it up. I would Darby comes out of it for the better and will do OK once he is on his own again. 

When we start seeing dissension between the 2, that's our sign that Sting is ready to bow out, I would guess his final act would be putting over Darby in a coffin match with one HUGE scary spot to go out on.

[John from Cincinnati]

9 minutes ago, Casey said:

Sapp reporting that Punk didn’t let the Bucks and Omega into his locker room and they basically forced themselves in.

Think they slapped their thighs when they kicked it down?

[Octopus]

4 minutes ago, Dog said:

I demand to hear from @just drewon the plausibility of this.

Punk accidentally left the doorway cracked.

[southofheavy]

3 minutes ago, JLowe said:

When we start seeing dissension between the 2, that's our sign that Sting is ready to bow out, I would guess his final act would be putting over Darby in a coffin match with one HUGE scary spot to go out on.

Nah. Dudes with Attitude and Brothers in Paint 'til the end. Sting says "Mucho Respect" and walks up to the rafters to smile upon Darby as he Coffin Drops himself into the World title. 

[Just Dave]

6 minutes ago, Dog said:

I demand to hear from @just drewon the plausibility of this.

I made my feelings known. It takes a special kind of asshole to make me side with the young bucks. But, for the record, one of the Jackson’s getting pieced up by known tomato can cm punk is the least surprising bit of this whole thing…

[southofheavy]

18 minutes ago, Matt D said:

There is such a feeling in the air that Punk is gone that any other outcome is going to feel like a huge surprise.

At this point, it's probably for the best for everyone involved. 
 

I'll be sad to see him go, especially like this, but he needs to stay away from the wrestling business. 

[Octopus]

@just drew is now Just Ok with the Bucks…for now.

[Just Dave]

Just now, Octopus said:

@just drew is now Just Ok with the Bucks…for now.

The enemy of my enemy and things of that nature…

[madl]

Nick Jackson finally selling a chair shot is probably the most far-fetched part of this whole episode.

[EVA]

17 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

Didn't Punk say come find him in his locker/dressing room and his door is always open? Like he literally said that during the scrum.

Explicitly!

[Cobra Commander]

2 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

Ace Steel is the runaway winner for hanger-on of the year. Like if one of your high school buddies showed up to visit you at college and then got into a fight that got the downtown bar district mass-pepper sprayed

at the risk of divulging information that nobody was asking for, one of the Homecoming weekends when I was going to college involved the cops pepper spraying a crowd leaving the scene of a fight on the bar street in town.

in a way, the whole Ace Steel thing would be like if Jose Lothario was trying to fight Jim the Anvil Neidhart during the Shawn/Bret wars of 1997

[Guest]

Christian Cage will get on the mic and say it's not a work or a shoot but a rib.

[TimLivingston]

I think SRS is overhyping the amount of heat on Punk because you have to get to that point to equate it with him being forced out. More than likely, It’s a bunch of talent eager to talk and project their thoughts to someone just as eager to run with things without accountability.

More than likely, there’s heat on Punk, but not to the degree being speculated against. And even upon return from a suspension, there would be degrees to which he has to act or else he’s gone for good. 
 

The bottom line is the next three weeks have a ton of eyes on the product for better or worse. Maximize it while minimizing the fallout and this thing goes away. I don’t trust Tony to do that though. 

[TheVileOne]

1 minute ago, TimLivingston said:

I think SRS is overhyping the amount of heat on Punk because you have to get to that point to equate it with him being forced out. More than likely, It’s a bunch of talent eager to talk and project their thoughts to someone just as eager to run with things without accountability.

More than likely, there’s heat on Punk, but not to the degree being speculated against. And even upon return from a suspension, there would be degrees to which he has to act or else he’s gone for good. 
 

The bottom line is the next three weeks have a ton of eyes on the product for better or worse. Maximize it while minimizing the fallout and this thing goes away. I don’t trust Tony to do that though. 

That's on the talents who are talking to SRS. 

Also, let's not ignore that Punk is the one who escalated this situation himself first with the shoot comments on Dynamite, then the media scrum on Sunday.

[Technico Support]

13 minutes ago, EVA said:

Explicitly!

Well he also said people should talk to him and, I guess by virtue of that, each other, to air grievances, all the while airing incorrect grievances with the Bucks instead of, you know, talking to them about it.  
 

You can’t talk all this “stand up guy” shit while going off on coworkers in a public setting about some shit you assumed, which turned out to be incorrect to boot.  
 

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Technico Support

[Krone]

2 hours ago, Matt D said:

Also, @Krone Meltzer,

do you still have the whiteboard, pal, because I think it's time to put Dave out to pasture and you're the only guy that makes sense after my Bob Sapp joke.

I try to give you guys the breaking news about CM Punk and what do I do...... I get shit on. Fo wut!?

[John E. Dynamite]

10 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

at the risk of divulging information that nobody was asking for, one of the Homecoming weekends when I was going to college involved the cops pepper spraying a crowd leaving the scene of a fight on the bar street in town.

in a way, the whole Ace Steel thing would be like if Jose Lothario was trying to fight Jim the Anvil Neidhart during the Shawn/Bret wars of 1997

We had a younger student's "cool dad" roll up and party with us one time. Said dad wound up in the hospital getting his stomach pumped. I'm gonna say this was like that.

[TheVileOne]

Jon Moxley also went into business for himself...on national television.

 

[TimLivingston]

And my point is that it’s way easier to blow that up than be measured against it. And I say that because if it was really as bad as everyone says it was, the decision would have already been made. The fact it’s been basically 48 hours since it all went down and there hasn’t been much of anything since says the diffusion is happening and something is being worked out. 

[Just Dave]

6 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

Jon Moxley also went into business for himself...on national television.

 

Punk should call him out on that publicly and see where that gets him.

[Cobra Commander]

3 minutes ago, John E. Dynamite said:

We had a younger student's "cool dad" roll up and party with us one time. Said dad wound up in the hospital getting his stomach pumped. I'm gonna say this was like that.

My campus was a wet campus for anybody living on-campus who was 21 or older. They also tried moving all the fraternities into one complex (that looked like it was designed by a devotee of Soviet architecture) due to problems with frats burning down. Eventually that arrangement fell apart once the rich alumni fronted the money to get their frats out of that place.

Like I can't really imagine a scenario where Hiro Matsuda rolled up to kick some ass alongside Hulk Hogan in the late 80s, but I suspect that scenario wouldn't have worked great for the people on the other side.

[Matt D]

4 minutes ago, TimLivingston said:

And my point is that it’s way easier to blow that up than be measured against it. And I say that because if it was really as bad as everyone says it was, the decision would have already been made. The fact it’s been basically 48 hours since it all went down and there hasn’t been much of anything since says the diffusion is happening and something is being worked out. 

I appreciate Tim in this thread and how he's holding up to his convictions, an island unto himself.

Let's do an old fashioned DVDVR wager. My gut says that Punk's gone either due to being fired or by choice. Yours says that Punk is just going to get suspended or less and cooler heads will prevail.

Loser reviews three matches of the winner's choosing?

 

[Zimbra]

With the gift of hindsight it's incredibly funny that, after Darby, basically every Punk feud boiled down to "The fans may love you, but we know what a piece of shit you really are" and nobody batted an eye or put two and two together.