All Out IV - 9/4/2022

[A_K]

4 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

Off-shift police acting as security but still wearing a cop uniform is pretty standard at public events. 

Privately commissioned police offers wearing state uniform at a private security detail engagement? What? I'll need some real examples of that please  

Police department have said there was no issue. Obviously bringing the State police as accomplices into the work was a step too far 

Edited September 6, 2022 by A_K

[For Great Justice]

3 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

The "legal stuff" is interesting. Who knows WTF that means but it feels like they're going over contracts about firing people for these types of things and whether or not they have to pay someone or how much someone wants to get paid to walk away. Or a disorganized mess of a wrestling company might have poorly drafted contracts believing their own sh*t that they would always run a company like family. 

Oh shit, this idea of tightening up controls with wrestler contracts and disciplinary actions is Jeff Jarrett's "in" to AEW management isn't it.

[porksweats]

Just now, For Great Justice said:

Oh shit, this idea of tightening up controls with wrestler contracts and disciplinary actions is Jeff Jarrett's "in" to AEW management isn't it.

We'd be in a much better spot if Jeff Jarrett shows up

[The Idiot King]

I don’t think any of this is a work, for the record (all the Cody drama has disabused me of any belief other than the dumbest answer is usually the right one), BUT IF IT WERE I don’t buy the knock that “it doesn’t make any sense because it doesn’t further the story of MJF - Punk and instead functions as a distraction.”

IF IT WERE A WORK (which, as just a lowly fan over here, I think would be a bad idea), a “backstage altercation” between MJF and Punk would be too obvious. Instead, you further the already bubbling tension around Punk and Hangman/The Elite which already exists in a mostly online rumor space. You keep your MJF/Punk story on TV and then have an increasingly heelish Punk working all the backstage stuff to eventually set up a payoff with Kenny or Page down the road with added heat because “we all know how much they hate each other” and “CM Punk is a locker room cancer and a selfish prick.” 

Essentially, you’re running two parallel stories for everyone at all times. The backstage stuff is its own universe, bolstered by the dirt sheets and message boards and internet content that wouldn’t make sense on TV and executives would see no value in. It doesn’t overshadow what’s on TV, it augments it and manipulates the audience into thinking they are cheering or booing people based on “the truth” of who a performer is, while actually playing into an expertly woven storyline.Everyone’s always working and kayfabe is back, baby!

Of course, none of that is actually happening, and at this point it all becomes dumb 4-dimensional chess that I don’t think benefits anyone and isn’t what I’m looking for from wrestling, exactly. But it would be an overdue attempt for a company to try and fully embrace the now near-total onlineness of all wrestling fans and be able to generate real heat in a promotion where fans love to cheer anyone with a high enough workrate.

Again, I think this is all stupid and too complicated to ever work, but I could see some nerds who were really invested in Wrestling As Carny Art giving it a shot.

 

[Big Z]

2 minutes ago, A_K said:

Meltzer says he saw a policeman. So someone is telling porkies 

A whole lot of them are likely being told now, though I'm Team Meltz among any of them just cause he actually knows the history of wrestling and tries to have a pulse on the current product (but will grant that he's not exactly Walter Cronkite these days with actual news reporting). However, they are all trying to outdo each other to gain subs and clout, and will say or write anything in that quest (though that's hardly unique for any kind of media these days).

[Elsalvajeloco]

6 minutes ago, Hamhock said:

Now I really wish Ray Traylor was still alive; imagine Dynamite opening with all involved parties being called to the ring, and then Tony K. announces to them all that "starting now, there's going to be some Law and Order around AEW!", whereupon "Hard Times" (which has amazingly somehow been licensed to AEW) begins playing on the PA, and Old Man Traylor comes out in the original Big Bossman outfit and begins clubbering everyone in the ring into unconsciousness with his nightstick. Cutler tries macing him with his cold air cannister, but Bossman does that crescent/wheel-kick thingie move and knocks it out of his hand.

All I want is Ace Steel dressed up like The Disciple, and Neal Pruitt to add in his voiceovers on "Cult of Personality". "CM Punk...the biggest icon in wrestling". 

[A_K]

3 minutes ago, Big Z said:

A whole lot of them are likely being told now, though I'm Team Meltz among any of them just cause he actually knows the history of wrestling and tries to have a pulse on the current product (but will grant that he's not exactly Walter Cronkite these days with actual news reporting). However, they are all trying to outdo each other to gain subs and clout, and will say or write anything in that quest (though that's hardly unique for any kind of media these days).

Bingo sir.

[caley]

AEW should bring in Vince Russo to oversee creative and he could run his dream of an entire wrestling promotion without a ring and everything taking place backstage.

"Ok bro, when Kenny comes at you, you bite him. Now, Punk is there any chance your wife is also your sister because I got an idea..."

[Sammo~!]

16 minutes ago, A_K said:

Privately commissioned police offers wearing state uniform at a private security detail engagement? What? I'll need some real examples of that please  

Police department have said there was no issue. Obviously bringing the State police as accomplices into the work was a step too far 

You can literally see the dude Dave was talking about on camera running off during the Swerve/Lee segment of the scrum

[Log]

I feel like this would definitely be getting a ton of attention without it, but for me, the bite is the thing that takes this from intriguing news to "what the fuuuuuck?".

[Niners Fan in CT]

6 hours ago, madl said:

He is also 20 years older.  I don’t know the guy personally, but most of us grow up and react to situations very differently after we get a few decades of adulthood under our belt, have kids of our own, etc.  I don’t know why people think Trips is the exception to that.  

Because he beat RVD and Goldberg 20 years ago so he's a "bad guy" forever..

[Matt D]

At this point the "best case" scenario is that everyone calms downs, offers apologies, doesn't press charges, works things out like adults, and decides that they can do business and they make some big angle out of very dire real life things. And I don't think any of them need the money enough for it, but there's that carny spirit of redirecting truth into artifice that motivated the Andy Kaufmans of the world to understand and embrace the sheer wonder of pro wrestling. It's just that Punk is driven more by spite than by bs carny glory.

[Pete]

44 minutes ago, Firebreaker Chip said:

Did anybody not picture Brandon Cutler trying to defuse the situation by capering around ineffectually in a zubaz jumpsuit spraying deep freeze in the air wildly

And then there's this.

 

[Raziel]

25 minutes ago, A_K said:

Privately commissioned police offers wearing state uniform at a private security detail engagement? What? I'll need some real examples of that please  

 

My father was a cop for 24 years.  Him, and a lot of others, worked security off-duty at an apartment complex that paid them.  They did it in their city police uniforms, off-duty.  

[Log]

5 minutes ago, Raziel said:

My father was a cop for 24 years.  Him, and a lot of others, worked security off-duty at an apartment complex that paid them.  They did it in their city police uniforms, off-duty.  

This is VERY common for police officers to do.  Can also confirm.

[A_K]

6 minutes ago, Raziel said:

My father was a cop for 24 years.  Him, and a lot of others, worked security off-duty at an apartment complex that paid them.  They did it in their city police uniforms, off-duty.  

Thank him for his service. Police department will be issuing warnings then any day now if law enforcement was in attendance as a witness  

Edited September 6, 2022 by A_K

[Elsalvajeloco]

2 hours ago, Zimbra said:

It's really hard to come off as the biggest herb in a situation you aren't even involved with, so kudos to Bobby Fish for pulling it off.

Very herb-ish and also symbolic of Bobby Fish reaching middle aged man status.

If he vlogs about getting a tribal tattoo with his 19 year old girlfriend, we will know he is in the final stages of his metamorphosis. 

[Technico Support]

2 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Fire them all. 

- Punk fucks off to his comic collection 

- Page is hired by WWE

- Bucks go back to Reseda and make PWG twice as profitable

- Omega... he can stay

Everyone wins.

EDIT: Well, Page doesn't win

Just being pedantic here… PWG is no longer in Reseda

35 minutes ago, A_K said:

Privately commissioned police offers wearing state uniform at a private security detail engagement? What? I'll need some real examples of that please  

Police department have said there was no issue. Obviously bringing the State police as accomplices into the work was a step too far 

Others have already mentioned the security thing but I can also tell you that my local Best Buy has an in-store local police presence, in uniform, at a desk right when you walk in.  

[Kevin Wilson]

I hope that AEW didn't miss the boat with the Acclaimed (or isn't still in the process of missing it). We've all seen in wresting where an act gets hot but the promotion doesn't pull the trigger until six months later, when they are not as hot. Or never pull it at all. It was a tough spot as they are still establishing the Swerve/Lee storyline and interrupting it probably wouldn't have been a great idea, but I hate to see an act get over so much and be right there, and fall short. It just felt like that was their moment. They are only "very good" wrestlers, and one day their act will get old, but right now the crowd loves them and they are clicking, shame it just didn't line up to when in storyline it worked.

[Jiji]

Yeah but even when you do pull the trigger it often doesn't work. That was one crowd that was super into them. Who knows how other cities feel? Seemed like magic and if he's running back a rematch I imagine the Acclaimed are going to win.

[Infinit]

54 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

The "legal stuff" is interesting. Who knows WTF that means but it feels like they're going over contracts about firing people for these types of things and whether or not they have to pay someone or how much someone wants to get paid to walk away. Or a disorganized mess of a wrestling company might have poorly drafted contracts believing their own sh*t that they would always run a company like family. 

The family business owns multiple professional sports franchises. I'm pretty sure their contracts aren't hastily written on cocktail napkins lol

[Elsalvajeloco]

1 minute ago, Jiji said:

Yeah but even when you do pull the trigger it often doesn't work. That was one crowd that was super into them. Who knows how other cities feel? Seemed like magic and if he's running back a rematch I imagine the Acclaimed are going to win.

I imagine the whole reason The Acclaimed got the match in the 1st place was to get put over as a top tag team act, not necessarily be tag champs instantly.

[Log]

1 minute ago, Infinit said:

The family business owns multiple professional sports franchises. I'm pretty sure their contracts aren't hastily written on cocktail napkins lol

Do the Jags count as professional?

[Niners Fan in CT]

"EVP" is the same as every rapper in the 90s having  their own record label. 

[TheVileOne]

23 minutes ago, A_K said:

Thank him for his service. Police department will be issuing warnings then any day now if law enforcement was in attendance as a witness  

From Fightful:

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"Hoffman States Police Department does not have any police reports, nor any documentation that police were requested, during AEW All Out event for anything that allegedly occurred backstage. The only police response at the event was regarding a family issue in the audience."