All Out IV - 9/4/2022

[RIPPA]

The only other thing from the WON that @Matt D didn't mention is Meltzer flat out says that if Ace Steel is punished, Punk is going to walk

[TheVileOne]

If this is all true, no one comes out of this situation looking good.

After you suspend Kingston for pie-facing Guevara, it will be a joke if no one gets punished here.

[Casey]

I’m eagerly awaiting the “CM Punk addresses his enemies” graphic for Dynamite.

GIVE THE PEOPLE (me) WHAT THEY WANT

[Matt D]

Ace Steel gets a year of DDPYOGA.

[TheVileOne]

Also, I'm sorry, I think Punk comes off like an asshole for saying those things about Cabana and his mother. 

Not saying Cabana is faultless or blameless about this situation, but the man has never spoken publicly about his falling out with CM Punk. 

[EVA]

I have a degree of sympathy for Punk in situations like this. Based on what we know about his childhood/family history, I understand why he feels he needs to always be on guard for signs of betrayal and nuke relationships from orbit at the earliest signs in order to keep himself safe from emotional harm. But that level of hypervigilance can lead to a pretty self-destructive pattern where shit that can be fixed gets blown up anyway, and I fear we’re headed down that path here.

[eikerir]

34 minutes ago, EVA said:

I have a degree of sympathy for Punk in situations like this. Based on what we know about his childhood/family history, I understand why he feels he needs to always be on guard for signs of betrayal and nuke relationships from orbit at the earliest signs in order to keep himself safe from emotional harm. But that level of hypervigilance can lead to a pretty self-destructive pattern where shit that can be fixed gets blown up anyway, and I fear we’re headed down that path here.

There's nothing wrong with this if he chooses to be like this, the issue is being so extremely public and offensive about it in what it's (supposed to be) a professional environment. It just makes a complete company look terrible.

Edited September 6, 2022 by eikerir

[EVA]

Really, the worst thing that could’ve happened for this situation was Punk getting injured. He had nothing to do but rehab and ruminate for two months. He couldn’t walk his dog, but he sure could imagine all the ways he was going to get back at the Elite.

[Jiji]

There is zero chance Steel doesn't get punished, so I guess this all leads to nothing but Punk fucking off. Lmao, great. 

[A_K]

Extending the in-ring character to out-of-the-ring scenarios is actually very clever work. Bringing real life conflicts into the performance art is very clever work. This isn’t end stage WCW. No one thought Undertaker was mentally ill & finished because he avoided out-of-character interviews & stayed in character wherever possibly for so many years. This is actually a very old school, classical take on the business. They clearly saw how well MJF did at raising his profile by keeping in-character 24/7 and are rolling it out across more talent.

[Zakk_Sabbath]

31 minutes ago, EVA said:

I have a degree of sympathy for Punk in situations like this. Based on what we know about his childhood/family history, I understand why he feels he needs to always be on guard for signs of betrayal and nuke relationships from orbit at the earliest signs in order to keep himself safe from emotional harm. But that level of hypervigilance can lead to a pretty self-destructive pattern where shit that can be fixed gets blown up anyway, and I fear we’re headed down that path here.

I'm speculating on this also from a sympathetic place, totally without snark: I very seriously wonder sometimes if Punk struggles with a personality disorder 

[Log]

I didn't get to watch the show until Monday morning. Spent the morning/early afternoon with my boy watching and enjoying the time spent together. Yeah, I was pretty underwhelmed with the outcome of some of the matches. It wasn't the best PPV I've seen out of AEW. But, all in all, it was a fun watch.

Then, there was a blissful period of maybe four or five hours where I didn't have an opportunity to get online and see the reactions to the show. It'd be nice to be able to go back to that time. The time before the ~TAKES.

[Craig H]

40 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

Also, I'm sorry, I think Punk comes off like an asshole for saying those things about Cabana and his mother. 

Not saying Cabana is faultless or blameless about this situation, but the man has never spoken publicly about his falling out with CM Punk. 

Legally, I don't think there's much Colt could even say without guaranteeing that Punk's lawyers destroy Colt. It really makes me think even more back to Punk's family, well, the friends he wound up calling his family, saying that Colt was a snake. Sad as it is to say and I know Colt is liked, but you don't get away with saying literally everything they've said about Colt if you don't have a mountain of evidence to back it up and Colt can't even deny it publicly or privately. Some of the other shit though, like Punk saying Colt was jealous or envious, you could probably refute, but doing so just re-opens a whole can of worms where Punk and/or his lawyers could say will if you weren't then why do we have evidence of you doing all of these different things?

And like EVA said, the worst thing that could have happened to Punk was to get injured and be bed ridden for two straight weeks. Even still, when you have the family history Punk has, and the experiences he's had, you shouldn't go through life without a good therapist. And maybe he has one, who knows, but I haven't had nearly the amount of betrayal he's felt nor have I been sued for a million dollars and I can't imagine not having a therapist that I see once a week or once every other week.

[A_K]

2 hours ago, The Natural said:

 

"Umm .. you know there's legal people involved .. um there was a police office .. um I saw a police officer"  These guys are either in on it or fuck me they need a bigger carny to contain their gullibility 

[TheVileOne]

4 minutes ago, A_K said:

"Umm .. you know there's legal people involved .. um there was a police office .. um I saw a police officer"  These guys are either in on it or fuck me they need a bigger carny to contain their gullibility 

Thinking back to how he defended Bruce Mitchell over his Brodie Lee column and how Mitchell was "vindicated" for everything he said still makes me sick to my stomach.

[S.K.o.S.]

1 hour ago, RIPPA said:

The only other thing from the WON that @Matt D didn't mention is Meltzer flat out says that if Ace Steel is punished, Punk is going to walk

Did he state this as a fact or was he speculating?

(I'm going to listen to the audio eventually to find out for myself)

[JohnnyJ]

One of the things that felt so good about Punks return was not just the performances, but he seemed so sincerely happy and in a great head space. That's the Punk I want to see again. He's made his money. If all of this is having such a negative effect on him, it's time to step back. 

If you read between the lines, the purpose of the Page/Punk feud was to get the title away from Elite world where it had been for over a year. (Fast forward a few months and the Elite have a title made special for them which will keep them out of the major title pictures) It was a face v. face feud with no clear build. In my eyes this was confirmed by how TK treated the interim title. There is no real logical explanation why Page was not immediately put back in the mix. My assumption is the reason he was put on the sidelines is TK wanted that title away from the Elite. Punk ending up in the middle of it may have been the collateral damage. 

One other thing that really hasn't been touched on is Punks most outspoken allies in AEW (FTR) have an issue with the bucks as well. These things are not happening in a vacuum. 

Taking off my tin foil hat. 

 

[TheVileOne]

If Punk walks over Ace Steel being punished, then good riddance.

[(BP)]

I thought the police officer thing was a shoot until I saw a pic of the responding officer smdh.

Spoiler

 

[A_K]

2 minutes ago, (BP) said:

I thought the police officer thing was a shoot until I saw a pic of the responding officer smdh.

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I heard it was Dog The Bounty Hunter come to collect the bounty Cabana's mom put on Phil Brooks' head 

[RIPPA]

6 minutes ago, S.K.o.S. said:

Did he state this as a fact or was he speculating?

(I'm going to listen to the audio eventually to find out for myself)

Fact as in that it whoever was telling Punk's side to Dave is saying that. 

I mean it is clearly using Dave to convey a threat to TK - how much teeth is behind it is a different story

[Matt D]

It's also not exactly rocket science.

[Craig H]

I also wouldn't be shocked if it's Dave speculating. 

[Zakk_Sabbath]

21 minutes ago, JohnnyJ said:

One other thing that really hasn't been touched on is Punks most outspoken allies in AEW (FTR) have an issue with the bucks as well. These things are not happening in a vacuum. 

Taking off my tin foil hat. 

I'll gladly put it on: Cody dipped the second he saw this shit coming. Certainly would give a little context that last promo before the ladder match with Sammy.

[The Natural]