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GuerrillaMonsoon

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I think history shows that Vince has liked having guys do an initial run with the IC title as a heel, then have a do-over as a face that solidifies them as a top guy. 

Did it with Shawn, Perfect challenged for it, tried doing it with HHH but he got injured, and I think Rock's run is pretty similar.

I suspect Savage would have been the initial one here. What would make most sense to me is that a lot of plans just ended up happening a year later instead:
- Savage beats Dibiase while still IC champ (because I can't see Savage dropping another major fall before becoming champ). 
- IC title gets vacated, Warrior beats Honky in the finals at Summerslam
- If Hogan comes back - you get the Mega Powers match at #6, if he doesn't, you run Savage vs Warrior instead - either in the context of Mania 5 with the Ultimate Maniacs exploding and Savage as a heel, or Mania 6 with Savage in the Hogan role (two Manias running with the babyface holding both belts and vacating one though?), or even 7 comes early and you do the retirement match.

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8 hours ago, For Great Justice said:

Heyman would be the HoF headliner, right? Would be a must-watch induction speech 

Heyman, with Dreamer doing the induction. So he can tell the story about how he was gonna assassinate Paul at WMX7.

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30 minutes ago, twiztor said:

i've been low key looking for this video for a long ass time. found it today and had to upload to youtube. 

from WWF Mania, 11/5/94, here is Luna Vachon marrying the Vampire Warrior (aka Gangrel)!

 

 

It's a weird seeing them show Luna out of character even if it's for 5 seconds. That's kinda random.

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2 hours ago, twiztor said:

i've been low key looking for this video for a long ass time. found it today and had to upload to youtube. 

from WWF Mania, 11/5/94, here is Luna Vachon marrying the Vampire Warrior (aka Gangrel)!

 

 

Haven't seen this since a kid. Cheers!

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Bought an unopened box of 1991 WCW trading cards off Ebay (surprised there's so many on there and cheap too).

Didn't survive the international flight too well so I'm just opening the packs. 

It's weird how many Southern Boys cards there are in here. 20% of them being Flair, even though he was in the WWF by the time they were printed is pretty on point.

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I went to Tiny Lister's Wikipedia page to read up on him after watching Summerslam 1989 and I found out that he had a WWC match against Abdullah the Butcher in PR. That is a total mindfuck and I don't care if it sucks; I had to see it. 

It's this weird thing that has a sense of spectacle even though most of it is Zeus being the bottom-five striker all time that he is. Actually, it's the most fun match that I've ever seen with negative-WAR striking that takes up that much of a match. I guess you can go a long way with a novel matchup, Abby bleeding ASAP, and a crowd brawl. 

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1 hour ago, odessasteps said:

Career 0-5 record. Never even got a squash win. 

Giant Gonzalez had about 9 or 10 month run in WWF in 1993 and had only about 5 televised matches, which includes a match with Virgil taped for Superstars that so was bad they had to redo it the next day at a Challenge taping. The rest of his WWF matches are house show DQ losses with a few dark match losses sprinkled in. So they didn't even have faith to let him squash people to establish him as a monster.

Tiny Lister was an actor. Giant Gonzalez was a guy who literally got paid to be tall for almost a year.

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18 hours ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

I think history shows that Vince has liked having guys do an initial run with the IC title as a heel, then have a do-over as a face that solidifies them as a top guy. 

Did it with Shawn, Perfect challenged for it, tried doing it with HHH but he got injured, and I think Rock's run is pretty similar.

I suspect Savage would have been the initial one here. What would make most sense to me is that a lot of plans just ended up happening a year later instead:
- Savage beats Dibiase while still IC champ (because I can't see Savage dropping another major fall before becoming champ). 
- IC title gets vacated, Warrior beats Honky in the finals at Summerslam
- If Hogan comes back - you get the Mega Powers match at #6, if he doesn't, you run Savage vs Warrior instead - either in the context of Mania 5 with the Ultimate Maniacs exploding and Savage as a heel, or Mania 6 with Savage in the Hogan role (two Manias running with the babyface holding both belts and vacating one though?), or even 7 comes early and you do the retirement match.

Thanks, everybody, for pitching in and clearing up my HTM confusion!

I figure the idea might have been DiBiase wins the belt at Mania 4, but then there are maybe some extracurriculars to send the fans home happy.  No idea who he'd go over without jobbing Savage out.  Maybe Andre interferes to give Ted the win, then the Megapowers beat up the Megabucks and pose.

Then Savage chases DiBiase on house shows for the rest of the Spring and Summer, winning the belt at SummerSlam, then we're back on the normal timeline.  This eliminates MegaPowers vs MegaBucks, though, so I'm not sure.  Maybe SummerSlam's co-main is Hogan/Andre 4 in a cage for a final blowoff or something.

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1 hour ago, Matt D said:

That’s a fair but unfortunate question.

I feel like I'm entertained by the Dark Order when they are on my TV,  but if you asked me to make any of the other members, I'd fail miserably.

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The Zeus/Abby match is one of the more notorious pieces of Wrestlecrap. Whatever poor old Tiny (RIP) was trying to do with his hands is unbelievable. 

Watch them induct Dreamer because he defended Flair on Dark Side. 

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I don't know if this should go here or what, but could someone spoil the identities of the masked characters in Chikara for me?  I just read an article which mentioned Orange Cassidey's Fire Ant run, and it also mentioned that Wheeler Yuta was Sylverhawk.  I know Gulak was Soldier Ant.  I think I remember reading (or it being suggested) that Quack was one of the Ice Creams.

Are there any major ones that stand out?

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17 minutes ago, nate said:

I don't know if this should go here or what, but could someone spoil the identities of the masked characters in Chikara for me?  I just read an article which mentioned Orange Cassidey's Fire Ant run, and it also mentioned that Wheeler Yuta was Sylverhawk.  I know Gulak was Soldier Ant.  I think I remember reading (or it being suggested) that Quack was one of the Ice Creams.

Are there any major ones that stand out?

Here is a very extensive list. 

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1 hour ago, cwoy2j said:

This is pretty funny. 

https://www.becauseofthe.fans/

Boy, this trope only goes as far as the talent of its user. There is great stuff (Foley, Rock) and then a bunch of okayish stuff, and then some eye-rolling garbage stuff. 

Tropes are not bad. The people who use them, though...

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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

LOOOOL they turned Lacey Evans heel?  Didn't they do a bunch of vignettes about her overcoming a broken home, drugs, and all kinds of adversity?  This company, man. 

Remember Luther Reigns?

WWE considers surviving adversity to be Heelish Behavior

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22 hours ago, BobbyWhioux said:

Remember Luther Reigns?

WWE considers surviving adversity to be Heelish Behavior

I love this post I found years ago on NJPW's faction system and how it contrasts with WWE's (and, really, America's) bullshit myth of individualism, bootstraps, etc etc.  Maybe this changes with new creative, but in Vince's WWE, babyfaces don't need friends, needing help is a weakness, partners always turn on each other, and all that.  What a terrible way to view the world.

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5 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

I love this post I found years ago on NJPW's faction system and how it contrasts with WWE's (and, really, America's) bullshit myth of individuality, bootstraps, etc etc.  Maybe this changes with new creative, but in Vince's WWE, babyfaces don't need friends, needing help is a weakness, partners always turn on each other, and all that.  What a terrible way to view the world.

I would like to exempt Southern wrestling from this, though. It has its own problems, but babyfaces in JCP or Florida or wherever had friends who would band together with them when faced with a threat. There was a sense that you have an obligation to look out for your own in the context of heels looking out for heels and babyfaces looking out for babyfaces. It's really WWE's "ruthless aggression" mentality that's at fault here (as exemplified by the Lone Babyface Uebermensch trope that's basically been a part of the company forever). 

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