6/8/2022!- AEW DYNAMITE!

[DEAN]

22 minutes ago, onelegbrynn said:

Have no idea who Aussie Open are but the six-man tag on Rampage should be good in theory.

They are the best tag team out of Australia and I am WAY to excited about them versus FTR.

[Casey]

11 minutes ago, JLowe said:

While it maybe made sense in terms of Swerve's character, if they really are breaking them up it has the WWE feel of "shit, these guys are hotter than the guys we're pushing for the titles, we need to split them NOW"

Keith Lee sure, but ever since Swerve debuted his crowd reactions have been... not that great. I mean, still good, but Keith Lee is definitely getting monster pops at times while Swerve isn't exactly met with silence, but you can tell who the crowd cares about more.

[chriskbrown50]

We got two really good matches. Pac-Buddy was great. Mox-KOR was just awesome. KOR needs to break out from Cole. 

[eikerir]

Just an awesome night of wrestling all around.

 

Loved the Battle Royale, AEW always manages to book these to be entertaining top to bottom. It helps that pretty much the whole roster is over with the crowd so we're invested in every little moment from the Ass Boys to the finish. Unpredictable winner which is always nice.

For a second I thought Darby/Swerve were making a pretty awesome team but between eliminating Lee and Darby it looks like Swerve will be going heel soon. And he was much more interesting in this match acting like a dick than his entire run so far IMO.

 

All Atlantic belt? Is there any sort of definition of what this is? Going from the bracket it seems to be aimed at non-USA guys so is that an official thing? Meh, no idea why we needed another singles belt. Logically, why would anyone ever aim for the TV or All Atlantic belts when they're clearly below the world title? It's never made sense to me. It's one of the reasons I'm happy NJPW got rid of the IC Belt, you can try to present belts as equal but we all know which one really is the big one.

I know Mox/Tanahashi is a much more logical big match for the PPV but I wish they could have used this opportunity to throw someone completely new into the mix even if just for a little while until Punk comes back. Give someone a big match out of nowhere for a change.

 

Okada/Hangman FUCK YEAH

 

Edited June 9, 2022 by eikerir

[Craig H]

Man, some fucking BABIES up in here just crying about stupid shit. And god, I shouldn't have to explain this, but you guys aren't babies. Well, just drew is, but the rest of you aren't and I wanted to start this with something silly.

Before I get to the show, I'll just say that I couldn't give a shit about whatever Osprey did or didn't do in the past. People focus on that so much more than some of the actual confirmed shit or him just being really dumb. Incredible athlete, but legit a really dumb as fuck person. But the thing I want to comment on the most about Will is that for his entire career, so really probably his entire life, he has had the shittiest hair I've ever seen. I made the joke awhile back that Jon Bernthal has the shittiest hair in Hollywood because unless his head is shaved, whenever he has hair it just looks bad. Will is like top 5 all time in human history for having the worst fucking hair styles I've ever seen. There are legions of cavepeople who never looked as bad as Will. Like, I can't explain it, but his hair styles make me actively angry. This whole 1998 shitty Justin Timberlake look he has now is the fucking worst. Dude needs to lose a hair vs hair match to save himself.

OK, now that I got that off my chest, I thought Dynamite was pretty fun and solid. The last few Casino Battle Royals have been fun and this one was as well. I mean, I was pulling for Andrade just because while KOR or Yuta are guaranteed to have an amazing match with Mox, Andrade would at least be a challenge that I think could pull off an upset. I just don't buy KOR or Yuta beating Mox and main eventing a PPV. I could see LIJ Andrade main eventing a PPV against Tanahashi though.

Pac vs Buddy fucking ruled. Two brick shithouse mini-men beating the fuck out of each other and going hold for hold. That was, ahem, PRO WRESTLING MOTHERFUCKERS.

I'm fine with the title and the name for it. Who cares. Wrestling is littered with dumb ass title names. This company has two titles named after channels that will look pretty fucking dumb if they ever move to another network. They're barely even on TNT anymore. I'll also disagree that the TNT title has been devalued. The TNT title is right where it should be. People focus so much on the Cody/Darby/Miro runs with it where it was in this weird space that was parallel to the World title, which is dumb. Anything other than the World title is a secondary title. When you book each title as an equal to each other then it looks fucking weird. That's part of the problem with the women's division where there in the stage with the TBS title being at the same level as the World title. Ok, well, then which do you challenge for then? Do you just go after the title being held by an opponent you think you have a better shot at? That's kinda lame and shitty because why would anyone pick Jade over Rosa. If you look at both of them, you'd have a much better chance at beating Rosa. Anything other than the World title is a secondary title and should be booked as such. The TNT title in particular should be a midcard title. This All Atlantic title should be for upper midcarders.

The bigger problem with titles is all of these fucking Ring of Honor titles floating around. I don't give a shit about Ring of Honor on AEW TV. I'll care about their titles if and when they have TV again. Same with NJPW titles. Don't bring them on AEW TV or don't have them defended anyway. Don't even get me started about the FTW title.

Anyway, Trent without Chuck doesn't interest me. Trent on his own is just some angry punk ass. And United Empire sucks. Aussie Open is fine, Cobb rules, Will is a great wrestler with a shit character, the rest fucking suck. Great O Khan sucks as much as Will's hair. Fuck em. Broke ass Bullet Club wannabes.

Hangman vs Finlay was some good shit. Hangman's promo highlighted a problem I have with the world title scene in that outside of Kenny and Mox's feud, when you lose the title you just don't get another title shot for what feels like ever. It's like you're not allowed to be a multi-time holder of the World title. But sign me up for Hangman vs Okada or Hangman vs Cole vs Okada. Just not Cole vs Okada, but that match would be pretty damn good too.

This shit with Wardlow and Sterling sucks. Sterling is funny, but I don't give a shit about Wardlow blowing up jobbers. It's time for Wardlow to start mowing through the company.

Now, what is good is Christian slowly, really slowly, turning on Jungle Boy and fucking them over. Each week I get a good laugh out of Christian fucking these guys. This week he not only buries Jungle Boy, but then he sets them up for a ladder match and Jungle Boy is like, "da fuq?" I love it. I love it so much. Christian being a piece of shit and subtly owning Jungle Boy each week is fantastic. But this is what you inevitably run into when you become friends with Christian. It's like being friends with Teddy KGB or something. Eventually, that fucking guy is going to feed you to his dogs. He survives and gets by by being a leech or a parasite. The only way this segment would have been better is if Jeff got hurt by getting excited to be in the ladder match.

Rosa vs Shafir was bad. Rosa, outside of a few matches, hasn't looked that great and Shafir is bad. Toni Storm vs Rosa should be the shit though.

Oh man, Ethan Page gets to die for his sins at the hands of Miro next week. What a total shit kicking that is going to be.

The main event rocked. This was basically a Bloodsport match put on in AEW. I never had a doubt that Mox would win, but it was still really fucking good. Then again, I never had a doubt Mox would win against Filthy Tom or Biff Busick and those matches fucking ruled too. 

 

 

[Curt McGirt]

I liked Shafir/Rosa so much. It might be the best women's match they've had, next to Baker/Rosa and Rosa/Deeb. Just completely balls out, stiff as fuck, vicious hard-nosed wrestling. I watched the main twice and it still made more of an impression on me. 

Speaking of which, really good main, and yes it seems like Regal has a stiffy for KOR and Fish. Moxley is probably my favorite wrestler right now, even above Kingston and Danielson. We all talk about the great matches Danielson and Punk were having with randos but Moxley has been doing it longer and still with the same great results. 

Have another belt, Tony! (Trailer Park Boys joke)

Laughed way too hard at "Kristen Highlander". Oh, and poor Ethan is dead next week. 

[A_K]

10 (+?) titles being bandied around for 3 hours of live television (one hour of which has absolutely tanked). Proper ADHD booking - the road forward is an absolute mess, and that’s at a high level without even veering into the micro decisions being made at individual talent level.  

Edited June 9, 2022 by A_K

[Casey]

That's it boys, AEW is done. Sell it to Daddy Vince.

[JLowe]

I think it is fair to say that making time to keep ROH in the wrestling public's mind AND building to an inter-promotional PPV was already a big challenge AND THEN your new champion gets hurt and has to miss a few months.

If/when ROH gets a new home, and the Forbidden Door is shut for a while, things will settle down a bit. Unless Vince fires a bunch more WWE/NXT people 

[Just Dave]

@Craig Hif you’re gonna take shots, be man enough to tag me. 
 

Sorry for having an opinion on a message board…

[Technico Support]

1 hour ago, Craig H said:

I'll also disagree that the TNT title has been devalued. The TNT title is right where it should be. People focus so much on the Cody/Darby/Miro runs with it where it was in this weird space that was parallel to the World title, which is dumb. Anything other than the World title is a secondary title. When you book each title as an equal to each other then it looks fucking weird. That's part of the problem with the women's division where there in the stage with the TBS title being at the same level as the World title. Ok, well, then which do you challenge for then? Do you just go after the title being held by an opponent you think you have a better shot at? That's kinda lame and shitty because why would anyone pick Jade over Rosa. If you look at both of them, you'd have a much better chance at beating Rosa. Anything other than the World title is a secondary title and should be booked as such.

Preach.

The TNT title should have always been a secondary title.  Cody started that "we don't have secondary titles here" shit because the TNT title was his belt and he'd already booked himself as unable to challenge for the actual top belt.  That was a masterstroke of carny manipulation, BTW.  TK already had his first four champs picked, Cody wasn't one of them, so of course he sets up an angle where he is essentially an uncrowned champion.  "Sure, Moxley is a great title holder, but it's only because Cody can't challenge him!"  If you're not going to be the champ, then you'll be jobbing to the champ or up and coming challengers.  My dude totally sidestepped that!  Better to be a secondary champion who claims his belt is just as valuable than to job to the top champion a few times or be a setup guy for new challengers. 

The TNT title also came to be because they needed something to drive the narrative in those early days of the pandemic.  There was no plan for that belt.  It wasn't even ready when the time came to crown the champion.

What I guess I'm saying is they made up a belt out of necessity, its purpose was vague and ever-changing, and now they have two belts where one would suffice.  Will we also get a women's Atlantic champion? 

Edited June 9, 2022 by Technico Support

[NoFistsJustFlips]

38 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Wrestling is littered with dumb ass title names.

The perfect reason not to add another one to the pile. Thanks for agreeing lol.

This is AFAIK the only title with an active mistake on it. You've said you think TBS & TNT are dumb names. I'm fine with that opinion. But the TBS Title doesn't have the Tru TV logo on it or anything, so even if dumb it's not a mistake. Not only is All-Atlantic a dumb name that doesn't really make any sense, you have flags from counties that are decidedly not in The Atlantic on the title. Making it incorrect. Double whammy. Dumb name and geographically inaccurate. Hence why it annoys me so much.

[John from Cincinnati]

2 hours ago, just drew said:

I like the new title, but I hope the trios and womens tag titles debut soon. My favorite part of the bracket was that there aren’t any “elite” guys in it.

They're holding off on the trios for Omega.  

[porksweats]

1 minute ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

The perfect reason not to add another one to the pile. Thanks for agreeing lol.

This is AFAIK the only title with an active mistake on it. You've said you think TBS & TNT are dumb names. I'm fine with that opinion. But the TBS Title doesn't have the Tru TV logo on it or anything, so even if dumb it's not a mistake. Not only is All-Atlantic a dumb name that doesn't really make any sense, you have flags from counties that are decidedly not in The Atlantic on the title. Making it incorrect. Double whammy. Dumb name and geographically inaccurate. Hence why it annoys me so much.

You see, everything is on either side of the Atlantic, so it truly is All-Atlantic!

Personally I can't wait for the All-Western States

[Zimbra]

I don't think AEW really needs another singles title, but I will say that the design of the Give Miro Something To Do All-Atlantic title is really nice.  

Everything in-ring really worked for me last night.  The Battle Royale was kind of a mess (and I hate the brawling on the outside in a BR) but the big moments it was built around all kind of worked.  KOR winning wouldn't have been my first choice since I think it telegraphed the finish of the main, but I always assumed Moxley was going over so I guess not that big a deal.  Pac/Matthews was a great high-energy sprint, and Matthews took that poison rana right on the top of his damn head. 

I'd never seen David Finlay before but he ruled and, much like young Fit, looks like a guy who will sell you dodgy car parts out of his trunk, which is one of the absolute best ways for a wrestler to look.  

Rosa/Shafir was real cool and I think she's a good stylistic matchup for Rosa.  Things looked awkward in a "we're really fighting over this" kinda way instead of a blown spots kinda way.

Mox/KOR was awesome and violent and had some cool mat wrestling so of course I really dug it.  I can't believe I'm turning into a KOR guy but I think he's really stepped it up in-ring during this little push he's been getting.

So, yeah, the overall booking is kind of a mess but still way more hits than misses for me.

[Craig H]

7 minutes ago, just drew said:

@Craig Hif you’re gonna take shots, be man enough to tag me. 
 

Sorry for having an opinion on a message board…

Tagging people is dumb and why tag you when you're vain enough to read it anyway. This shit isn't fucking reddit. If you want that, then go there. We're all in a discussion here. We all can read. Stop being weak.

[Craig H]

7 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

The perfect reason not to add another one to the pile. Thanks for agreeing lol.

This is AFAIK the only title with an active mistake on it. You've said you think TBS & TNT are dumb names. I'm fine with that opinion. But the TBS Title doesn't have the Tru TV logo on it or anything, so even if dumb it's not a mistake. Not only is All-Atlantic a dumb name that doesn't really make any sense, you have flags from counties that are decidedly not in The Atlantic on the title. Making it incorrect. Double whammy. Dumb name and geographically inaccurate. Hence why it annoys me so much.

Look, I get that the naming of the All Atlantic title is as bothersome as looking at a crooked picture hanging on the wall in someone else's house. The other thing I wanted to add was that WWF had a European Championship that was rarely defended in Europe. I think this is probably as dumb as that and probably as annoying. We're stuck with it now though. I don't really know what else to do about it other than just deal with it until I'm not annoyed by it anymore.

[Craig H]

11 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

Preach.

The TNT title should have always been a secondary title.  Cody started that "we don't have secondary titles here" shit because the TNT title was his belt and he'd already booked himself as unable to challenge for the actual top belt.  That was a masterstroke of carny manipulation, BTW.  TK already had his first four champs picked, Cody wasn't one of them, so of course he sets up an angle where he is essentially an uncrowned champion.  "Sure, Moxley is a great title holder, but it's only because Cody can't challenge him!"  If you're not going to be the champ, then you'll be jobing to the champ or up and coming challengers.  My dude totally sidestepped that!  Better to be a secondary champion who claims his belt is just as valuable than to job to the top champion a few times or be a setup guy for new challengers. 

The TNT title also came to be because they needed something to drive the narrative in those early days of the pandemic.  There was no plan for that belt.  It wasn't even ready when the time came to crown the champion.

What I guess I'm saying is they made up a belt out of necessity, its purpose was vague and ever-changing, and now they have two belts where one would suffice.  Will we also get a women's Atlantic champion? 

I'll just go back to what I said before that if you're only booking the women with one match on Dynamite and one match on Rampage each week then another title for that division, even if it's tag titles, is dumb as fuck.

[The Natural]

Edited June 9, 2022 by The Natural

[Matt D]

Let's pause here for a second and think about this title. Every title should mean something. Every title should have a purpose. I think the meaning of the TNT/TBS titles are a little unclear and that, at times, is an issue. Right now the TBS title is the "Being Jade Cargill" title for instance.

I missed some of the lead in on this one. It's supposed to be for international (non-US) wrestlers primarily?

I kind of want it to end up as the AEW IMPERIALIST DOMINATION CHAMPIONSHIP where once Miro or Pac wins it, Tony sends them around the world to defend it against people in India and China and Peru and South Africa and wherever else, building up the AEW brand with matches taped to be standalones for youtube or something. Use it to break into markets and shine up the local hero.

The Western Heritage title was supposed to be for the #1 contender for the UWF title but it was realistically a singles belt for Windham since he had lost so many title challenges and they wanted to have the US title on Lex and the TV title on Koloff (having just lost the US title to Lex) in the back half of 87. But at least that had some purpose both on paper and in reality (even if they weren't great ones).

[The Natural]

Tablet's playing up.

[Gorman]

2 hours ago, just drew said:

“let the guy who looks like ‘guy who tells Benson and Stabler where to find the rapist on SVU’ 

Him against 20 geeks will be fun. I can think of some geeks perfect for that.

 

Your opinions should be encouraged so we keep getting gems like this. 

Please tell me that the 20 security guys will get a giant chyron of their 20 names that takes up the entire screen.

[Belgian_Waffle]

7 minutes ago, Gorman said:

Please tell me that the 20 security guys will get a giant chyron of their 20 names that takes up the entire screen.

I think more likely it will be the ultimate test of Excalibur's verbal pyrotechnics.

[A_K]

1 hour ago, Casey said:

That's it boys, AEW is done. Sell it to Daddy Vince.

He’s already got one sub-million viewer development farm pal, not sure he needs another. Besides at 76 he’s probably looking at simplifying things rather than leaning into the crazy. When Carny Dave even is calling foul on some of these decisions, a moment of reflection is probably needed. A few defy logic.

[NoFistsJustFlips]

31 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Look, I get that the naming of the All Atlantic title is as bothersome as looking at a crooked picture hanging on the wall in someone else's house. The other thing I wanted to add was that WWF had a European Championship that was rarely defended in Europe. I think this is probably as dumb as that and probably as annoying. We're stuck with it now though. I don't really know what else to do about it other than just deal with it until I'm not annoyed by it anymore.

The European Title didn't have a flag of like Brazil on it tho did it lol

If you have a region specific title the least you can do is not fuck up and put things not a part of that region on the title. 'Hey guys here's your new World Title with Mars on it. What? I know it's annoying but should probably just deal with it.'

Sorry dawg I'm just not in favor of allowing and supporting purposeful inaccuracies that just act to lower the threshold of average intelligence in society.