Dynamite - 5/4/2022

[JLowe]

4 hours ago, cwoy2j said:

The bolded is the biggest thing in my opinion. Page is more Bret Hart or Austin than Hulk Hogan. He's not an "attraction" per se. He's the fighting everyman that people get behind. He should wrestle more than he does now on shows and just in general do more stuff on shows. More things should revolve around him on a week to week basis. He shouldn't be the superman champ who's super above the rest of the main eventers, he should be in the fray more.

At least with the Cole feud, you could involve the Dark Order and the Bucks/ReD and have a 6-man. The rest of his feuds so far have been against lone wolves (Danielson was at the time). The nice thing about the Dante-Page match was it was Page wanting to be a fighting champion and give young guys the shots they don’t always get. More of that would’ve worked for a while in my opinion, and then eventually you have someone interfere and there’s your PPV angle.

[Cobra Commander]

2 minutes ago, alstein said:

They've gotten their ass kicked a bunch of times, the fans don't even like the Blondes that much, and they've done nothing to show that the results will be different.  THey're basically dumbasses getting what they deserve.

I am feeling more and more than TK is overextended in booking and the cracks are showing now.

not sure what the social dynamics were like at TK's high school but the Blondes are essentially being booked as the meatheads who show up with letterman jackets who also do the stupidest bullshit to prevent themselves from being starters on the teams that they're lettering in?

ROH is sort of Tony's UWF and he could really use Freddie Prinze actually getting his stuff together so that he could pawn off like 20 guys on Freddie.

[TheVileOne]

5 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

not sure what the social dynamics were like at TK's high school but the Blondes are essentially being booked as the meatheads who show up with letterman jackets who also do the stupidest bullshit to prevent themselves from being starters on the teams that they're lettering in?

ROH is sort of Tony's UWF and he could really use Freddie Prinze actually getting his stuff together so that he could pawn off like 20 guys on Freddie.

How is that helping or benefitting Varsity Blonds? 

[Cobra Commander]

Yet another Pillmanito post:

Just realized the perfect man to mentor a team of young varsity athletes is available, and he has history with Brian Pillman.

Also he needs money to pay for boat loans.

Considering some of the stuff that Pillman Jr does on social media, maybe Kevin Sullivan needs to become his surrogate dad so that Pillmanito can learn the art of kayfabing the police.

[JLowe]

I just want to say that many of y’all are ok with a dude who dresses, acts, and talks like he’s in some shitty black metal band, magically appears in the ring, and spits a mystical evil black mist that turns people evil but have a problem with Danhausen?

[John from Cincinnati]

13 minutes ago, JLowe said:

I just want to say that many of y’all are ok with a dude who dresses, acts, and talks like he’s in some shitty black metal band, magically appears in the ring, and spits a mystical evil black mist that turns people evil but have a problem with Danhausen?

I have a problem with both. Don’t put that on me! 

[The Natural]

Edited May 6, 2022 by The Natural

[zendragon]

I kinda wanna see Danhausen try (and fail) to join the BCC

[Technico Support]

3 hours ago, zendragon said:

I kinda wanna see Danhausen try (and fail) to join the BCC

I want to see him try and "fail," but in a different way.

They bring him in for a tryout just to goof on him, laughing and making snarky comments when he enters the training center, and then a switch flips and Danhausen beats his training partner half to death in the most graphic way allowed on TBS.  Danhausen emerges from the training room covered in his opponent's blood.  The BCC looks on in fear, horror, and revulsion.  What Danhausen did is even too much for them, as impossible as that sounds.  Danhausen is shocked at what happened.  All agree to never mention it again and the angle is dropped.  Danhausen goes back to quirky fun Danhausen the following week and nobody ever talks about it.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Technico Support

[AxB]

He seems to have deleted a lot of the early "Danhausen is a serial killer gimmick" videos. But a couple of them are still up:

 

[A_K]

Watching that Hangman promo back wouldn’t be opposed to him going broken-Hangman WMX7. Pissed off at being overlooked and having finally tasted success, absolutely desperate to keep at any cost. They need a little more moodyness on the show & push back to what his promo turned “masturbatory tributes”.

[hammerva]

By the way while we are dealing with Julia Hart angle for about 5 months,  when are they going to explain why Kip Sabian has been wearing a bag over his head in the crowd for about 8 months now.   

[Technico Support]

I forgot to mention I popped for Tony channeling his inner Mean Gene during the Baker/Hayter/Ruby/Storm promo.  "LADIES, HAVE A LITTLE DECORUM!"

More of this, please.

[(BP)]

My theory is that the office has a pool going for the exact day when Kip will ask Tony about where his creative is going. 

[EVA]

I think it’s just something Kip is doing to amuse himself while creative has nothing for him. It has never once been mentioned, let alone put over, on commentary. Not even when he was fairly prominently on screen during Punk’s walk and talk last week.

[JLowe]

What I would like to see is the BCC-HOB angle a lot of people are mentioning, but I want it to be Regal and BCC talking about how all of them are individually very talented, athletic, violent fighters who are caught up in some gimmick that is holding them back, slowly leading to the end of HoB as dark magick warriors.

[Matt D]

Man, how do they deal with next week in Long Island? It's one thing to have Punk go out there and mock a hockey team but you don't want a crowd booing Wardlow at this point of the story. It's such a key moment in time for his push. They should have just kept him off the show. Had it so MJF didn't want him there to ruin his time or something.

I wonder what sort of payoffs you have for him in 2022. I can't see him fitting into the title picture but keeping him this hot for long is going to be hard as he's already run through some big guys. I don't think he's getting the World Title this year. You can give him the TNT title but then it sort of disappears relative to how they use it now. You don't want him trading it back and forth. He doesn't need it as much as other people do and he probably wouldn't build it to bigger than it is.

I'm not sure what I'd do medium term, maybe book him like Andre at MSG during the Backlund/Hogan runs where he's teaming with a bunch of guys as part of their feuds as a big attraction, or maybe just give him the FTW belt and have him treat it a little like a Brass Knuckles champion type thing, like he was babyface Brody in Houston or Southwest.

[JLowe]

18 minutes ago, Matt D said:

Man, how do they deal with next week in Long Island? It's one thing to have Punk go out there and mock a hockey team but you don't want a crowd booing Wardlow at this point of the story. It's such a key moment in time for his push. They should have just kept him off the show. Had it so MJF didn't want him there to ruin his time or something.

I wonder what sort of payoffs you have for him in 2022. I can't see him fitting into the title picture but keeping him this hot for long is going to be hard as he's already run through some big guys. I don't think he's getting the World Title this year. You can give him the TNT title but then it sort of disappears relative to how they use it now. You don't want him trading it back and forth. He doesn't need it as much as other people do and he probably wouldn't build it to bigger than it is.

I'm not sure what I'd do medium term, maybe book him like Andre at MSG during the Backlund/Hogan runs where he's teaming with a bunch of guys as part of their feuds as a big attraction, or maybe just give him the FTW belt and have him treat it a little like a Brass Knuckles champion type thing, like he was babyface Brody in Houston or Southwest.

Have him win to get released from his MJF contract. Have him sign an AEW contract, only to learn that Mark Sterling secretly inserted a clause that Wardlow is not allow to compete for a title belt in AEW. Wardlow says "fine" and challenges Samoa Joe for the ROH TV title, and wins. He then interferes in MJF's AEW world title match, costing MJF his title win.

[(BP)]

AEW is rotten with factions for Wardlow to run through. They could spend a year solely having him go through JAS to get to Jericho on PPV, the UE to get to Cole, etc. 

[Matt D]

1 hour ago, (BP) said:

AEW is rotten with factions for Wardlow to run through. They could spend a year solely having him go through JAS to get to Jericho on PPV, the UE to get to Cole, etc. 

Wardlow vs Garcia would be really good actually.

[HarryArchieGus]

1 hour ago, Matt D said:

Man, how do they deal with next week in Long Island? It's one thing to have Punk go out there and mock a hockey team but you don't want a crowd booing Wardlow at this point of the story. It's such a key moment in time for his push. They should have just kept him off the show. Had it so MJF didn't want him there to ruin his time or something.

I wonder what sort of payoffs you have for him in 2022. I can't see him fitting into the title picture but keeping him this hot for long is going to be hard as he's already run through some big guys. I don't think he's getting the World Title this year. You can give him the TNT title but then it sort of disappears relative to how they use it now. You don't want him trading it back and forth. He doesn't need it as much as other people do and he probably wouldn't build it to bigger than it is.

I'm not sure what I'd do medium term, maybe book him like Andre at MSG during the Backlund/Hogan runs where he's teaming with a bunch of guys as part of their feuds as a big attraction, or maybe just give him the FTW belt and have him treat it a little like a Brass Knuckles champion type thing, like he was babyface Brody in Houston or Southwest.

Some huge questions you raise. I've been thinking about this since he started on his killing spree. Going forth, seems like running thru a faction to get to its leader would be a bit too much like this MJF feud. I do like consulting your Andre/MSG/80s suggestion. What would Bill Watts do (minus the Patriotism)? Or what could we learn from the example of Taz being booked in ECW? Can we find a Bam Bam Bigelow? I'd be happy with JONAH. I guess that'd be another sorta example of running thru a faction. I like @JLowe's suggestion of a confrontation with Joe, but I don't see Wardy splintering off into their forthcoming new ROH.  Anyway, great questions. I suspect MJF heels on the Long Island crowd, but we shall see.   

Edited May 6, 2022 by HarryArchieGus

[NikoBaltimore]

Didn't have a chance to post about it so won't read the thread yet.  But while the show might not have been the most stacked we had a really great time regardless.  Yeah, they lost us on the Pillman and Page promos and it was hard to get full energy for the main after Fenix/Dante.  But the opener was great and Fenix/Dante had us losing our goddamn minds.  And Morrissey looked really great so kudos to him for getting it together.  Fun match and Wardlow was insanely popular.  So even if it was a "weak" show I'll gladly take this any day over...well you know.   And I'll give love to the small Baltimore crowd as they were sold out and were super amped up for the good stuff.

But since I'm going to watch it back tonight with my wife I'll just let her know that we're gonna skip over the Pillman part and pretend it didn't exist.  For one it would make the show more enjoyable to watch and for another watching it back would allow me to be more invested in the main.  With Ramapage at 5:30 today it'll be pretty much AEW day which gets no complaints at all over here.

Also, @John E. Dynamiteby any chance were you in section 101?  I ask because during Rampage I heard somebody pulling for Yuka then they mentioned Takeshita wrestling a giant panda in DDT.  The second example in particular made me think "Hmm...I wonder".

EDIT:  Wait, wait, wait, I almost forgot about the BCC match.  I know they need meaningful matches soon but no way in fuck can a show be weak with those three crushing it.  I flipped my shit seeing them and there's nothing better than all three beating the fuck out of three fools at the end.

Edited May 6, 2022 by NikoBaltimore

[NikoBaltimore]

21 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

In another universe that ROH Women's Title match gets treated like Buff vs Booker and ole TK scraps the entire idea of ROH lol.

But there are similarities there. While this isn't the first ROH match they've done, it's one of the first totally cold ones that had a person that has never once had a TV match for them (ala Buff & Booker in WWE). Gresham & Castle also fall in this category, but they have the benefit of way more TV & PPV exposure than these two women. No Impact doesn't count as TV exposure to me lol. Mercedes has done like two or three AEW TV matches in the last year but that is not enough to develop a relationship with the general TV audience. Not many in that crowd knew signature moves or popped because they knew her theme or anything like that.

Just real poor planning. Or maybe wishful thinking is the better way to word it. Baltimore was an ROH town. So maybe TK was banking on some recognition that just wasn't there.

I don't blame Tony for thinking that but the problem is expecting that people in Baltimore still cared about ROH.  Some did/still do but interest here has gone down quite a bit since they made here their home base.  If they wanted something with a bit more to it I think a Joe TV championship match would have been a much better idea.

But since we got this match I think it would have made more sense to have this as the Dynamite opener instead with Dante/Fenix main eventing as a dream match.  Considering they had some all-time classics start the show it would have worked and the crowd would have at least had a sense of energy to them.  But not only was it a bit cold with them in the main it was not long after Dante/Fenix where people were just spent after that match.  If for some reason Tony insisted on it being the main then put Riho/Yuka on Dynamite and start Rampage off with Lethal/Takeshita.

Oh, and as for Pillman it's time to keep him on YT forever but have Griff do singles matches.  I respect the legacy and everything but he just doesn't have it even if he was a heel.  All he needed was not even a minute to say something and the HoB comes out.  It also could have given Dante/Fenix more time to be shown as is and not in PiP which I would be upset about too.  If there was ever a time to consider their Fite subscription to go commercial-free that match would be it.

[Curt McGirt]

Hey @NikoBaltimorewas it jarring to see everyone come back to life after the Dynamite main? Because everyone seemed to be eating up the women's tag on Rampage. Was there an intermission or something? 

[NikoBaltimore]

11 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Hey @NikoBaltimorewas it jarring to see everyone come back to life after the Dynamite main? Because everyone seemed to be eating up the women's tag on Rampage. Was there an intermission or something? 

They did a couple Elevation matches but then said they were doing a match that is just for the crowd which was Nyla vs. Skye Blue.  I'm not sure if it messed up the timing or something but they said the last Elevation match they had would be done after Dynamite.  So after that ends we get Keith Lee and Swerve vs QT and Solow which did start to wake the crowd up.  A big part of me feels it was a timing issue but there is part of me that feels they knew in advance the crowd would be dead for the ROH match.  But I'm trying to not think too much about that as whether intentional or not having Lee/Swerve come out got the job done.

Edited May 7, 2022 by NikoBaltimore