Dynamite - 5/4/2022

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

23 minutes ago, zendragon said:

Bring back Homicide and Bring in Savio Vega as the OG Boriqua 

Awwwww shit yeah.

Next Dynamite, P&P getting beat down again, only for TK to purchase the Caribbean Legend's original WWF theme, DUH DUH DUH hits, the crowd loses it, big Road Warrior pop. A returning Eddie Kingston and Savio Vega march out wearing matching roly poly fat guy suspender tights. They counter the fireball by Savio teaching Eddie the secret of the roly poly fat guy spin kick. Clear the ring out. Roly poly fat guy dancing. Eddie Kingston kills a guy with a rail road spike.

 

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

double post

Edited May 6, 2022 by GuerrillaMonsoon

[Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie]

Savio Vega has one of the best spinning heel kicks in the history of pro wrestling, so I'm 100% on board with this idea.

[Dog]

1 hour ago, tbarrie said:

What gives you the impression we're not?

Several people liked his posts.

[Gorman]

3 hours ago, zendragon said:

what we need is a new Mean Gene Oakerlund who can conduct a three person interview. Bit of a lost art that.

 

(raises hand)

[Nice Guy Eddie]

1 hour ago, tbarrie said:

What gives you the impression we're not?

That's the impression that I get. 

Anytime I can work in a Mighty Mighty Bosstones reference, I try to take it. 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Nice Guy Eddie

[zendragon]

5 hours ago, just drew said:

 

Same for Wardlow. Reminder that WWE had both these folks (Cargill and Wardlow) at the PC and let both get away. The payoff of Wardlow murdering MJF is going to be glorious. Felt good for Morrissey, as dude has clearly worked hard to clean his life up. I just wonder why Enzo, who has appeared to do the same thing, isn't getting the same benefit of the doubt? They could be big stars for AEW, because their "promo first" presentation is clearly lacking. AEW has twenty Gargano's. They have so many that adding the actual Gargano does nothing for you. Adding some promo guys give you a dynamic you're in short supply of.

 

I don't know if you saw him in NXT where he and Candice where sort of surrogate parents to those two dolt Indie and Austin. But he could be and excellent comedy heel leading a faction 

[Greggulator]

They really need to explain Danhausen. You really can't just expect the audience to know who people are or what they can do. That's just bad television. It's a character on my TV and I have no idea who he is other than he's trying to mess around with Hook.  

AEW has its strengths but they really miss the basics on some things. Some things they hit home runs with. Other things they whiff on. 

[TheVileOne]

11 minutes ago, Gorman said:

(raises hand)

Freddie Blassie: "You know, I hate a hard loser, Gene. And I want to tell your wife out there, whenever he calls and says, 'I'll be late,' he's with Moolah! And IRS, if he says he's using his expense account, he's with Moolah!" 

[A_K]

Danhausens fun. I get more confused when Santana & Ortiz are running around dressed like mimes than Danhausen. He’s in the Tajiri or Santino vein. Could probably do with some exposition but hey, he’s just a performance artist.

RE Page: Page is great. Which is why it’s extra amusing to read people fall over themselves to try and justify a couple of bouts with mid card Dante + Archer spared from his usual hangout on Dark or wherever he is, a vacuous “feud” with Adam Cole and some multi man’s with the job squad in 5 months as good booking. It’s all been enormously down hill since the Danielson stuff, and that was like the first couple of weeks of his reign. 15 months to get him to some unremarkable episodes with a bunch of mid carders. Yeah, They’ve done him dirty no doubt; there were tons of interesting ways to go.

Edited May 6, 2022 by A_K

[Greggulator]

I never cared about Johnny Gargano in NXT (even with being in at least two of it's all-time best matches) but his heel run leading The Way was epic. He and Candice were amazing. Committed deeply to their roles and hilarious with their lack of awareness. 

16 minutes ago, zendragon said:

I don't know if you saw him in NXT where he and Candice where sort of surrogate parents to those two dolt Indie and Austin. But he could be and excellent comedy heel leading a faction 

 

[Zakk_Sabbath]

2 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

extra post about House of Black vs the Blondes from last night:

Is the upside of "these babyfaces are so brave that they're calling out dudes who will kick their ass" enough to make up for the downside of "these babyfaces are dumbasses who are calling out dudes who will kick the shit out of them"

Also the brawling part of their exchange was noticeably slow, like they were fighting in a movie.

With the benefit of hindsight, I think the best move would be to have done that on Dark or Rampage last week so you can chop it up into a 25-30 sec package and run it before you have Fenix walk out for the Dante match last night, so you can at least make the wider Dynamite audience aware they're continuing the issue.

[Go2Sleep]

I had never seen Danhausen until he showed up in AEW, and I can tell you that he has no physical prowess but had most of the world believing that he possessed supernatural powers. Hook has exposed that he does not, in fact, have any supernatural powers, which has caused Danhausen to act out in crazier, yet non-violent ways. This has the audience invested in wanting the already fairly popular Hook to embrace the lovable goof.

Not sure what further explanation wouldn't just be insulting to the audience, which is already into him based on live reactions.

[StuntmanCrowley]

My personal opinion is one of that if they take the belt off of Hangman and put it onto Punk, it will be the first time I genuinely disliked an AEW booking decision.  I'm not sure if im in the minority, but while Punk being back has been great, i feel like it's just the same thing over and over.  I enjoy the matches, everything he's in, but it really has stopped "moving the needle for me" at all.

[zendragon]

14 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

I never cared about Johnny Gargano in NXT (even with being in at least two of it's all-time best matches) but his heel run leading The Way was epic. He and Candice were amazing. Committed deeply to their roles and hilarious with their lack of awareness. 

 

yhea I don't have any interest in him coming as "Johnny Workrate" when in recent months they've brought in Jay Lethal, Jake Atlas, Fish, O'Reilly, Neese ect

[A_K]

24 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

My personal opinion is one of that if they take the belt off of Hangman and put it onto Punk, it will be the first time I genuinely disliked an AEW booking decision.  I'm not sure if im in the minority, but while Punk being back has been great, i feel like it's just the same thing over and over.  I enjoy the matches, everything he's in, but it really has stopped "moving the needle for me" at all.

For an at-times chaotic TV show, everything narrative wise takes too long to play out. It’s like a bizarro ADHD world at times that varies from intense hyperfocus to events taking absolutely forever to materialise (see: J Hart). Punk’s been a victim of this too as they’ve had him stuck with that cheesy “aren’t I a lucky guy to be back!” schtick variously for too long. But the great stuff with Kingston showed his depth, and there are a lot of ways to go with Punk as champ. He without doubt will have a big enough ego to impress his own decisions upon them too & not get caught in the same trap as champ.

Edited May 6, 2022 by A_K

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

1 minute ago, A_K said:

For a crash TV show, everything takes too long to play out. It’s like a bizarro ADHD world at times that varies from intense hyperfocus to events taking absolutely forever to materialise (see: J Hart). Punk’s been a victim of this too as they’ve had him stuck with that cheesy “aren’t I a lucky guy to be back!” schtick variously for too long. But the great stuff with Kingston showed his depth, and there are a lot of ways to go with Punk as champ. He without doubt will have a big enough ego to impress his own decisions upon them too & not get caught in the same trap as champ.

The pay off needs to be that Julia Hart and Jimmy Hart are actually the same person doing a Hannah Montana gimmick.

[Niners Fan in CT]

55 minutes ago, A_K said:

Danhausens fun. I get more confused when Santana & Ortiz are running around dressed like mimes than Danhausen.

Their face paint is from the movie Dead Presidents. A lot of people in my age group or thereabouts watched the movie a million times.. it's awesome but Tony Schiavone did mention it on air a couple times noting the paint was Dead Presidents inspired. 

[Just Dave]

11 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Their face paint is from the movie Dead Presidents. A lot of people in my age group or thereabouts watched the movie a million times.. it's awesome but Tony Schiavone did mention it on air a couple times noting the paint was Dead Presidents inspired. 

That movie ruled. 

[NoFistsJustFlips]

2 hours ago, chriskbrown50 said:

NBA playoff still draws decent numbers regardless of the matchup.  The real question which will may never know is how much more $$ can TBS charge for ad revenues in this slot versus what it could charge 3 years ago.  That's what matters. I read that the old Turner folks played a bunch of funny accounting with wrestling. Hope TK is getting some better insight.  That's is really the cost/benefit question. 

 

2 hours ago, Casey said:

Meltzer and Brandon Thurston both seem to think that Turner have a minority stake in AEW. So, yeah, they don't outright own them, but...

Is that something they say? Because that seems pretty far fetched. They got out of owning wrestling for a reason. Even a minority share would be beyond shocking. And it's not like The Khans need any financial assistance. Plus TK strikes me as the type to be very particular about who gets any type of power in what is ultimately his prized possession.

So with that in mind, I thought the going assumption was Warner pays a rights fee and keeps all ad sales. So what TBS can charge matters to TBS, but as far as AEW caring / profiting from it... it's a non-factor. Warner keeps all the ad money because they pay a rights fee. I was under the impression ad splits have kind of went the way of the dinosaur. WWE & USA / WWE & FOX don't do ad splits either. The networks pay a shitload for the programing. The ads are their way of making that money back and trying to turn a profit off of the programming.

[JLowe]

15 hours ago, For Great Justice said:

“Where’s the heat?”

AEW is short about 3-4 hot feuds right now - MJF/Wardlow is the only one with any steam.

This is one problem with a tournament taking up significant TV time - there’s no organic heat with dry tournament matchups. 

 

And they’re building the tournament around fucking Adam Cole blah blah blah 

[JLowe]

12 hours ago, DEAN said:

Rewatching this morning, Jon Moxley is SO fucking good in that match.  So intense.  Great hot tag.  We will look back at the Blackpool Combat Club like I look back on the Four Horsemen in 1986.

EDIT:  Wardlow is Goldberg if Goldberg knew how to wrestle.  

REWATCH EDIT 2:  Dante Martin should be in the Best of the Super Juniors.  That match was like a budding Dragon Lee/Hiromu Takahashi series.

I don’t have the energy to rewatch but I will say that BCC is getting stuck in a bit of a formulaic match except the Moxley wildcard.

Agreed about Wardlow, I guess he’s been in the business for a while but lately he’s doing eye-popping big man athletic shit like Dante is doing eye-popping skinny guy athletic shit.

speaking of Dante, he should’ve gone over in that match, even though he still got a good rub in the loss. It’s time for him to have a push and Fenix has other shit (and I mean shit literally as I hate that angle) going on. Definitely needs to be in a super juniors tournament.

12 hours ago, Matt D said:

I thought Matt Hardy was an amazing corner man in the Jeff vs Fish match. A huge part of the success of that match was Matt orchestrating the crowd and keeping them focused.

Noticed the same thing. I had low expectations for that match but I forgot that Jeff Hardy will bump and sell like a freak.

11 hours ago, Technico Support said:

If Fenix is continuing in the tournament, can we get him some Blue Blazer gear?

Thought the exact same thing after seeing Hardy’s shirt and thinking about FTR’s tribute, someone needs to do Blue Blazer. Too bad Dante lost.

Morrissey was pretty impressive, Wardlow gave him a lot of offense. That power bomb was damned impressive, that’s why it only took one Skeeavone.  MJF-Wardlow is the hottest feud they have by far.

Let Christian secretly cheat to help JB win the FTW title. Send Hook. Let Hook have that title. Let Ricky Starks move on to bigger and better things.

 Bowens needs to heal so The Acclaimed can finally get their push. They’re one of about 8 tag teams right now more interesting than JE, YB, rED...

Rest of the show was ok to fucking awful. Yeah, Pillman is terrible and the Julia Black thing makes no damn sense but maybe, just maybe, House of Black isn’t adding much to the shows either...

Adam Cole is so boring and wanting to be a tweener that he even sucked as a heel guest announcer.

I personally didn’t think the women’s main event was all that but I also lost a lot of interest in this episode after Hangman’s weird semi-heel turn and that interminable VB-HOB segment. Deeb-Rosa was a good confrontation, that was a fight I wanted to see.

Edited May 6, 2022 by JLowe

[JLowe]

6 hours ago, TheVileOne said:

Is this the AEW show or the ROH show now? Does Tony Khan even know?

I think he’s clearly using at least some of his AEW TV time to try and sell ROH to his audience...and more so to a network.

[TheVileOne]

I'd be fine if Punk beats Hangman right now. At this point, I feel like Hangman has had his time and he doesn't "need" his title run to continue. By May he will have held the title for over six months. I don't see a Punk win here as majorly setting him back.  

The only guy I feel strongly really needs the belt right now and needs a long reign is MJF, who needs like a long Ric Flair-like reign. I'm just curious how you get there between Wardlow getting retribution, Punk beating Hangman, et al.

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I think he’s clearly using at least some of his AEW TV time to try and sell ROH to his audience...and more so to a network.

I think all he's succeeded in is making AEW look more cluttered and inconsistent.

Edited May 6, 2022 by TheVileOne

[Jenalysis]

4 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

extra post about House of Black vs the Blondes from last night:

Is the upside of "these babyfaces are so brave that they're calling out dudes who will kick their ass" enough to make up for the downside of "these babyfaces are dumbasses who are calling out dudes who will kick the shit out of them"

Also the brawling part of their exchange was noticeably slow, like they were fighting in a movie.

 

They've gotten their ass kicked a bunch of times, the fans don't even like the Blondes that much, and they've done nothing to show that the results will be different.  THey're basically dumbasses getting what they deserve.

 

I am feeling more and more than TK is overextended in booking and the cracks are showing now.

 

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by alstein