Double or Nothing IV - 5/29/2022

[The Man Known as Dan]

2 hours ago, Craig H said:

Sorry, but this still all smells like a work.

Yes, running a big story on the dirt sheets about how one of your biggest matches that had been built to for over a year on a PPV might not be happening the day before the show is a really good well to get those people to shell out 50 bucks.

 

Maybe I'm wrong and this is a work, but if it is, it's a very fucking stupid one.

[Craig H]

9 minutes ago, The Man Known as Dan said:

Yes, running a big story on the dirt sheets about how one of your biggest matches that had been built to for over a year on a PPV might not be happening the day before the show is a really good well to get those people to shell out 50 bucks.

 

Maybe I'm wrong and this is a work, but if it is, it's a very fucking stupid one.

This whole thing has felt like a work. And people are buying the PPV regardless so who fucking cares?

[The Natural]

If MJF's not going to be at Double or Nothing, I'd like to think TK would let people know. Don't do the WWE move continuing to advertise someone for a show when you know it's definitely not happening. 

Edited May 29, 2022 by The Natural

[eikerir]

 

I’m all for workers standing up to their bosses if they’re unhappy or whatever, but man m, FUCK MJF if he doesn’t show up tonight for Wardlow, you’d think those two have at least some sort of friendship by being together for the past 3 years and he’d at least come in to put him over before fucking off.

 

[Casey]

14 minutes ago, Craig H said:

This whole thing has felt like a work. And people are buying the PPV regardless so who fucking cares?

except for @Jiji who thinks an MJF match alone is worth $50

[The Man Known as Dan]

16 minutes ago, Craig H said:

This whole thing has felt like a work. And people are buying the PPV regardless so who fucking cares?

I was debating putting down the money for it tomorrow, and hadn't made up my mind yet. the Wardlow match was up with the Punk one for one I was most excited for. If it's announced that match isn't happening, I'm probably not gonna spend 50 dollars for the show. This idea that "People are already buying it, who cares if we try to convince people a match we've been building up to for literally over a year isn't happening!" is a late game WCW esqe move. 

Also, and the more important question: Fucking why? Why try to work your fans like this, what does it gain you? You aren't getting MORE PPV buys by hinting at a major match isn't happening. This isn't getting MJF heel heat, just "if you seriously pull this shit, fuck you, leave the company" heat. What sort of end game actually makes this valuable as a work?

[Jiji]

7 minutes ago, Casey said:

except for @Jiji who thinks an MJF match alone is worth $50

There's one other money match on this card and I'm honestly not that invested in it despite the good back and forth Wednesday. Weak ppv. All timer feud is keeping it afloat for me. 

Fightful said he didn't get on the flight from what they've been told so far. 

[John from Cincinnati]

12 minutes ago, Casey said:

except for @Jiji who thinks an MJF match alone is worth $50

It’s far from their best card and it’s by far the second biggest match on the show. But if you want to play like this is a nothingburger, go ahead...

Edited May 29, 2022 by John from Cincinnati

[Cobra Commander]

pretty sure there's no way to really emasculate someone's character without making the promotion look kinda stupid

there's not exactly a high percentage of viewers who actually think that Wardlow's contract was with MJF

the more that an idea smells like 1999/2000 WCW, the more you should run in the other direction

[Sammo~!]

Really the only thing I realistically wanted to see out of this PPV was Wardlow powerboming MJF 25 times in a row. I'm still gonna get and watch it, and I know all the matches will likely be good but this really sucks the joy out of it for me. I hope this isn't a work, because if it is a bunch of my good will just got burned. 

[BrianS81177]

If this is legit, it's probably too late to get any kind of big name replacement. So you'd likely get Spears coming out, cutting a promo then getting murdalized for a bit.

My gut feeling is that Tony and MJF sat down months ago and planned out a big summer angle that Max will be at the center of and this is the start of it.

[SturmCRF]

You guys should all move to the UK. It's run by criminal morons and the weather's bad, but we can buy two and a half AEW PPVs for the price of one.

[DangerMark]

I have prepared a meme which summarises my thoughts on this being a work.

Spoiler

I don't know that I'm ready for this level of galactic thinking.

[Casey]

1 hour ago, Jiji said:

All timer feud is keeping it afloat for me. 

Yeah but HOOKhausen versus Nese & Sterling is on the Buy-In and that’s free! That’s the all timer feud you’re referring to, right? Let it flow through your veins, brudda 

[Shartnado]

11 minutes ago, SturmCRF said:

You guys should all move to the UK. It's run by criminal morons and the weather's bad, but we can buy two and a half AEW PPVs for the price of one.

And I can do the same from Finland, as well! I don't even need to move over, in order to do it! This is not an invitation, though. Finland is very acquired taste, shall we say!

[SturmCRF]

46 minutes ago, Shartnado said:

And I can do the same from Finland, as well! I don't even need to move over, in order to do it! This is not an invitation, though. Finland is very acquired taste, shall we say!

From the one day I spent in Helsinki five years ago, Finland would actually be pretty high on my list of alternate places to live, but then I quite like the cold, and that was a holiday, I'm sure it's not all rock churches, reindeer steaks and sex museums, all the time.

[The Natural]

 

[Shartnado]

1 hour ago, SturmCRF said:

From the one day I spent in Helsinki five years ago, Finland would actually be pretty high on my list of alternate places to live, but then I quite like the cold, and that was a holiday, I'm sure it's not all rock churches, reindeer steaks and sex museums, all the time.

Not all year round, no. But yeah, this is a good place to live in atm, but our asshole neighbours to the East are trying to make sure there's no good places to live, anywhere. But yes, until recently, a good place. Will take some getting used to, but overall, not many better places that I can think of.

That being said, Britain is certainly among my top two places to visit, along with Poland. Short enough visits and you don't even have to worry so much about the crazy ways either of the countries are run, or anything!

[Belgian_Waffle]

I know we all have faith in TK to hopefully not do dumb things in a moment of crisis but if MJF isn't there tonight I'm putting 2-1 odds on Wardlow going over the Big Show instead. 

[Casey]

I'm calling my shot and that Double Or Nothing will be MJF's last appearance in AEW. They aren't going to freeze his contract, they'll just let him go if things are this bad and neither side can come to a mutual understanding.

[Octopus]

Oddly enough I was leaning on skipping but now I kind of want to see what happens live. The option of following along on TDE twitter is always there for neat spots.

5 hours ago, Casey said:

except for @Jiji who thinks an MJF match alone is worth $50

Quit teasing my buddy, @Jiji. He is the Hook to my Danhausen. Where I meme, he disapproves. Together we eat chips. Together we friendship. Together we are JiPus.

[RIPPA]

From the WON EMERGENCY~! radio show last night

- It is not a work. AEW (or more specifically TK) wouldn't risk completely alienating the fans who are already pissed about MJF now showing at the Fan Fest (who are more valuable then folks who might buy the PPV at the last minute.) Dave and Bryan are in Vegas so have been hearing from plenty of folks not happy with the situation.

- Dave acknowledges that if everything gets worked out and MJF is on the PPV, fans will scream SEE! I KNEW IT WAS A WORK!!!

- TK could definitely say "fine we aren't using you again" and just icing MJF for two years

- In terms of solutions if MJF doesn't show - Dave's top solution is to put Wardlow in the main event and put the title on him. The other idea, which Dave said will almost never happen, is have Wardlow face Bill Goldberg (just because he is a FA, probably the only "name" who could make good, and is in town)

- Joe was double booked so apparently he we never told he was supposed to be at the Fan Fest. But apparently he is now pissed off and is not returning any phone calls

 

[The Natural]

 Only made this last week. Didn't expect this MJF development.

[The Natural]

36 minutes ago, RIPPA said:

From the WON EMERGENCY~! radio show last night

- It is not a work. AEW (or more specifically TK) wouldn't risk completely alienating the fans who are already pissed about MJF now showing at the Fan Fest (who are more valuable then folks who might buy the PPV at the last minute.) Dave and Bryan are in Vegas so have been hearing from plenty of folks not happy with the situation.

- Dave acknowledges that if everything gets worked out and MJF is on the PPV, fans will scream SEE! I KNEW IT WAS A WORK!!!

- TK could definitely say "fine we aren't using you again" and just icing MJF for two years

- In terms of solutions if MJF doesn't show - Dave's top solution is to put Wardlow in the main event and put the title on him. The other idea, which Dave said will almost never happen, is have Wardlow face Bill Goldberg (just because he is a FA, probably the only "name" who could make good, and is in town)

- Joe was double booked so apparently he we never told he was supposed to be at the Fan Fest. But apparently he is now pissed off and is not returning any phone calls

 

Yeah, MJF no showing the Fan Fest for a work would rightly piss your loyal customers big time. Never struck as a work for that reason.

If TK/MJF come to an agreement for MJF/Wardlow, you'll get those allegations it was a work all along.

Hard pass on putting the AEW World Championship on Wardlow and bringing Goldberg in. Former may happen, latter won't. Gamble putting the big belt on somebody new in Wardlow. In wrestling history, there are those who stepped up when made world champion and those that were busts.

Going to be tough putting future programs together after this between MJF/TK. Trust has to have been eroded here.

Edited May 29, 2022 by The Natural

[A_K]

Work.