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Doing the “math” in my head.  I’d say that the threat assessment to AEW in a corporate transfer should be minimal.  
 

The loyal audience, some decent revenue streams and a (nationally) narrow market should be convincing the execs to keep AEW on television and invest even further.  

This has been Brandon Bones with Business Chat.

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As long as Tony doesn’t make Bischoff’s mistakes he’ll manage the Warner changes.*

 

*The mistakes being behaving like every middle aged man in the after part of a Cialis commercial while ignoring all of the new Turner execs pulling the knives out for WCW. 

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"At the same time, turning the lights off for somebody people didn't recognize, it's a great point. To be honest, the person who brought off turning the lights off has over 30 years of experience in pro wrestling. When they brought it up to me, I was only looking at the pros and I should have thought about the cons, because that is my job as the person who decides what goes in and who filters out these ideas. We have all these people in the room and somehow, not one person brought up the negative. When we did it, all the negatives were very obvious. I'm not going to say who it was and I don't need to list all the credentials of all the great people around me in the production meeting, but it was a lot of veteran people. Nobody said that and when it happened, I agreed with the fans completely," he said. "When it came up, I said, 'that could work, it's different.' I was looking for how to physically get him in there for that moment and somebody, like I said, with over 30 years of experience said, 'we could turn the lights out and do this' and I went, 'Okay.' I should have seen the negatives before we did it and I really didn't see them until it actually happened. That's not Satnam's fault, it's definitely not Jay Lethal's fault. At the same time, I'm very excited for it. It created a lot of buzz. Satnam's debut has been the most-watched thing out of the show and it's gotten international attention I wanted it to get, but I didn't want it to loom over a lot of great stuff on the show either and I don't think it has or will."

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/tony-khan-says-he-could-have-done-satnam-singh-debut-better-wasn-t-his-idea-turn-lights

"I ultimately take responsibility, but somebody with 30 years experience belongs under that bus." 

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36 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/tony-khan-says-he-could-have-done-satnam-singh-debut-better-wasn-t-his-idea-turn-lights

"I ultimately take responsibility, but somebody with 30 years experience belongs under that bus." 

Yeah. This is one of the more onerous, weaselly media pieces he has done. No doubt had it been successful he'd be taking plaudits. There's absolutely no reason to screw his management team in public like that. Deal with it behind closed doors and don't remark on it. Can you imagine Vince having ever made remarks on his own product or senior mgmt choices like that in public? Weak leadership.

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Love watching how Punk structures his matches as a veteran, one of the better Penta matches in AEW as I recall.

I can't be bothered to care about Reddragon, everything is technically sound but I feel theres nothing to buy into with them. And after losing I guess this feud must continue instead of shunting them off to dark.

I know there's a billion people in India so that's why we get Jinder and Kahli as YOUR World Champions, but there has got to be some half decent wrestlers of Indian descent somewhere right?

Also every Swerve match michael-scott-flip.gif

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AEW's booking seems to learn from mistakes instead of digging in heels on them. Hopefully that continues.

Re: Trios belts. I believe someone here once posted "less belts, more tournaments". I like that thinking. Give me an annual trios tournament instead of six-man titles. Hell, just do it to fuck with that asshole Quackenbush.

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2 hours ago, A_K said:

Yeah. This is one of the more onerous, weaselly media pieces he has done. No doubt had it been successful he'd be taking plaudits. There's absolutely no reason to screw his management team in public like that. Deal with it behind closed doors and don't remark on it. Can you imagine Vince having ever made remarks on his own product or senior mgmt choices like that in public? Weak leadership.

He shared openly, in a conversational setting, about what occured and he takes the final judgment as the producer of the show.  Sure, he could've taken the fall.  That would have been a kind gesture.  Something tells me the well paid and influential responsible party isn't feeling screwed right now.  No, I can't imagine Vince making these remarks because he's never been transparent on a weekly podcast.  Weak call is certainly arguable, weak leadership would be a tough argument with the way this machine steamrolls ahead with week after week of fantastic television.  Perhaps we disagree on that tho too.    

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16 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said:

He shared openly, in a conversational setting, about what occured and he takes the final judgment as the producer of the show.  Sure, he could've taken the fall.  That would have been a kind gesture.  Something tells me the well paid and influential responsible party isn't feeling screwed right now.  No, I can't imagine Vince making these remarks because he's never been transparent on a weekly podcast.  Weak call is certainly arguable, weak leadership would be a tough argument with the way this machine steamrolls ahead with week after week of fantastic television.  Perhaps we disagree on that tho too.    

When ratings steam ahead, we will agree the product is steaming ahead. Right now it is pretty much soundly in the mud by way of growth figures, and has been in this holding pattern for 6 months + irrespective of who they debut or how they move titles around. He doesn't need to "take the fall", you just don't speak about it & it will be forgotten by next week. Instead if that angle flops going forward he's already entered the public dialogue on it, and it becomes v awkward. There's zero to be gained by having the conversation, and even less to be gained by framing it by way of "well I trusted the veterans who pitched it - wasn't my idea - shouldn't have done it".

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And there's only so many 30 year vets in that company. It's not hard to figure out which individuals he could be talking about. I'm sure those individuals are thrilled about people speculating on their failures when their boss could have just not said that in public. But Tony pays well, so of course those people should be cool with him using them to deflect some degree of criticism. 

Tony would really do well to be less accessible sometimes.

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So I watched this weeks show on the TBS website because I forgot it was on Wednesday. Anyway Punk vs. Penta was a good opener. Penta needs some damn direction because he is floundering at the moment. He needs to go back to being the Penta who was snapping arms on Lucha Underground. At least I think he does.

ReDragon vs. Jurrassic Express was a damn good match. O'Reily always looks like he's run out of gas by the end of a match. I thought maybe ReDragon would win, was pleasantly surprised with the ending. Plus them setting up for FTR vs. ReDragon was a nice touch after the match. The ROH Tag titles are going to be so fun to watch with FTR as the champions.

MJF is such a great dick. Him offering to triple Remsberg's salary had me laughing. AEW needs a rudo referee who would have taken the deal. But if this sets up Captain Shawn getting an actual win over MJF, that will be some great long term booking.

The JAS vs. Eddie/Proud & Powerful match was a fun brawl. I hope the next Blood and Guts involves all of them. Eddie Kingston winning a War Games match is something that needs to happen.

Marina Shafir has the look. But I dont see her beating Jade. Should have kept building her up before that match came up.

Thunder Rosa should have left her segment walking tall after doing the cake face to Nyla.

Joe vs. Suzuki. DAMN. That was sure a manly match. The ending was meh with the run in from the giant Indian guy no one knows anything about. They should have stretched it out a little longer with some promo's for the guy before debuting him. But apparently Uncle Tony has learned from his mistake all ready.

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3 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said:

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/tony-khan-says-he-could-have-done-satnam-singh-debut-better-wasn-t-his-idea-turn-lights

"I ultimately take responsibility, but somebody with 30 years experience belongs under that bus." 

Sounds like Yes Man syndrome all over again. 

One positive I will at least take away from all this is that they seem to know they bombed Singh's debut, even though Tony Khan is throwing Taz/Dustin Rhodes/Tony Schiavone/Someone under the bus.

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19 minutes ago, A_K said:

When ratings steam ahead, we will agree the product is steaming ahead. Right now it is pretty much soundly in the mud by way of growth figures, and has been in this holding pattern for 6 months + irrespective of who they debut or how they move titles around. He doesn't need to "take the fall", you just don't speak about it & it will be forgotten by next week. Instead if that angle flops going forward he's already entered the public dialogue on it, and it becomes v awkward. There's zero to be gained by having the conversation, and even less to be gained by framing it by way of "well I trusted the veterans who pitched it - wasn't my idea - shouldn't have done it".

I'll leave you to the ratings conversation and the assumption that the variables surrounding those numbers, nor the year to year increases, have zero factor.  The execs you seem to value with your focus on said ratings might disagree.  I'll keep with the 'steaming ahead' comment representing the actual quality of the product.  Again, I don't see any reason to get too upset about a conversation on a podcast.  Tho, I'm also not looking for reasons to hate Tony Khan or, like some, misquote him for the enjoyment of taking him down.    

Yeah, I guess we can decipher from '30 years' who it might have been who made the call.  Arn? Dean? Jerry? Paul Wight? Mark Henry? Tony Schiavone? JR?  The Fallen Angel?  Who is the obvious choice?  Again, something tells me whomever it was is not going to be nearly as upset as anybody here or on twitter.  I suspect neither their paycheck nor standing will feel the effects either.       

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I don't have a problem with what TK said. It's what a manager should say. "It was an idea, I approved it and it didn't work. We learned and will move on" is pretty much what it says. The issue comes up if they don't learn in the future.

 

I wish we could just not talk about ratings like they are the be all and end all of everything. It's not the monday night wars anymore. Ratings would be part of the formula but social media engagement would also be part of it, and in AEW and WWE's case, its live "moment" television, that you should watch live for surprises or moments, making it not PVR Proof but at least PVR resistant. Content is the name of the game.

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12 minutes ago, dokdoyle said:

I don't have a problem with what TK said. It's what a manager should say. "It was an idea, I approved it and it didn't work. We learned and will move on" is pretty much what it says. The issue comes up if they don't learn in the future.

 

I wish we could just not talk about ratings like they are the be all and end all of everything. It's not the monday night wars anymore. Ratings would be part of the formula but social media engagement would also be part of it, and in AEW and WWE's case, its live "moment" television, that you should watch live for surprises or moments, making it not PVR Proof but at least PVR resistant. Content is the name of the game.

A manager says " I was responsible for the ultimate decision and I approved it, and any failure is on my part". There are no "buts" or "it was this one guy whose dumb idea it was but I was the idiot who agreed even though I shouldn't have."

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Just now, John from Cincinnati said:

"Tony's being misquoted" is an all-time-great handwave to a bunch people just reacting to a paragraph of his actual words🤣

I listened to the interview.  Your clickbait misquote seemed like an attempt to incite needless divisive reaction and mislead the conversational tone of his account of Wednesday's misfire.  Maybe it's worth a listen before attempting your weekly burial?    

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1 minute ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I listened to the interview.  Your clickbait misquote seemed like an attempt to incite needless divisive reaction and mislead the conversational tone of his account of Wednesday's misfire.  Maybe it's worth a listen before attempting your weekly burial?    

There was another entire paragraph in that article. Plenty of context. I have no further interest in listening to the rest of interview. I have no reason to believe his ramblings weren't conversational, they tend to be most of the time I listen to him. Why you insist I'm being misled in that regard is beyond me.

Seeing no misquote, I'd suggest your beef might be that the person who wrote the article did an insufficient job transcribing the relevant section of Tony's comments. Feel free to direct any further energy on the matter into being weird to the Fightful guy on Twitter.

Not sure about the weekly burials. You're probably thinking of someone else who's also insufficiently deferential to your faves. 

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7 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said:

There was another entire paragraph in that article. Plenty of context. I have no further interest in listening to the rest of interview. I have no reason to believe his ramblings weren't conversational, they tend to be most of the time I listen to him. Why you insist I'm being misled in that regard is beyond me.

Seeing no misquote, I'd suggest your beef might be that the person who wrote the article did an insufficient job transcribing the relevant section of Tony's comments. Feel free to direct any further energy on the matter into being weird to the Fightful guy on Twitter.

Apologies for the confusion I thought it was pretty clear and simple that I was referring to your quote: "I ultimately take responsibility, but somebody with 30 years experience belongs under that bus."

No issue with fightful's Jeremy Lambert and his well reported article.  I didn't find the article particularly damning, so perhaps you're right in assuming you'd have been equally as inflamed from hearing him reasonably speak on the situation.  Neither came across to me like he was throwing anyone 'under the bus', but I also wasn't looking for a reason to feel provoked.    

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Not sure about the weekly burials.

Oh sorry, yeah must've been somebody else posting in multiple threads trying to stir up discourse over the bots talk.  And to be fair you were just the first to report on this one.  Surely somebody else would have found a way to be angry about Tony openly discussing an agent bringing this idea to him as something to be upset😂 about.  You're right, Twice isn't yet a weekly basis.    

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You're probably thinking of someone else who's also insufficiently deferential to your faves. 

No, I don't think I am.  Tho admittedly that's an amusing line.  

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The lights thing is so overdone at this point but at least they seem broadly committed to staying within wrestling physics at this point.

In the end, they probably didn't want the guy running in, and they were short on options. Other option was a big gift box, I'd have gone with the box myself but always a 1% -chance of something Shockmasteresque happening.

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1 hour ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I'll leave you to the ratings conversation and the assumption that the variables surrounding those numbers, nor the year to year increases, have zero factor.  The execs you seem to value with your focus on said ratings might disagree.  I'll keep with the 'steaming ahead' comment representing the actual quality of the product.  Again, I don't see any reason to get too upset about a conversation on a podcast.  Tho, I'm also not looking for reasons to hate Tony Khan or, like some, misquote him for the enjoyment of taking him down.    

Yeah, I guess we can decipher from '30 years' who it might have been who made the call.  Arn? Dean? Jerry? Paul Wight? Mark Henry? Tony Schiavone? JR?  The Fallen Angel?  Who is the obvious choice?  Again, something tells me whomever it was is not going to be nearly as upset as anybody here or on twitter.  I suspect neither their paycheck nor standing will feel the effects either.       

Knowing the guys he has in the back and their propensity for trying to WWE everything it would be Mark Henry. Although the lights isn't a WWE thing... I will always think of ECW when the lights go out. But ECW also knew to use it for big freaking deals... nothing will ever top Lawler.

Goddamn that was a hot angle. Real Memphis heat in Philly. Damn, I just gave myself goosebumps thinking about it.

And now rhat I think about Lawler... MJF isn't modern day Piper... Piper was threatening. MJF is modern day Lawler. 

TK isn't too far in the game to really know how to book heat. 

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