APRIL 2022 WRESTLING DISCUSSION

[nate]

I honestly though Bad Bunny was that "cash me ouside" girl until I saw pictures.

[Elsalvajeloco]

22 minutes ago, Dog said:

Dude, that's how WCW died.

"Listen up, you, tax cheats! Just because you jam a wrinkled up one dollar bill down some dame's crusty G-string...it does NOT count as a charitable contribution deduction! Yes...even if her stage name is Charity." 

[Nice Guy Eddie]

52 minutes ago, Brandon Bones said:

It was right about here when the acid kicked in.

“We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold.”

[Ziggy]

I was thinking to myself today that WWF missed out on having Bret around after the screwjob because between 95 till he left he either got a ton of guys in to the business like Test for example or helped people like Edge and Christian get tryouts or even had a hand in training people like Shamrock and Henry directly. Bret wasn't as hands on with getting people in WCW, probably because he didn't few WCW was worth getting guys in. From Brets perspective you probably can't blame him for not going out his way getting guys jobs besides his brother in laws just solely for the nice guaranteed money 

[JohnnyJ]

8 hours ago, Ziggy said:

I was thinking to myself today that WWF missed out on having Bret around after the screwjob because between 95 till he left he either got a ton of guys in to the business like Test for example or helped people like Edge and Christian get tryouts or even had a hand in training people like Shamrock and Henry directly. Bret wasn't as hands on with getting people in WCW, probably because he didn't few WCW was worth getting guys in. From Brets perspective you probably can't blame him for not going out his way getting guys jobs besides his brother in laws just solely for the nice guaranteed money 

What's interesting to think about is there is an alternative timeline (which honestly makes a whole lot more sense) where Shawn goes down to WCW to be with his buddies and Bret sticks around. 

[(BP)]

Trying to calculate the WCW wrestler to soma bottle ratio in that scenario and discovering the God number from the movie Pi. 

[For Great Justice]

18 hours ago, Stefanie the Human said:

So as far as capturing mainstream attention, I don't know if I'd trust anyone who's hardcore into wrestling to be a great judge. (Myself included, in case anyone's going to get mad at me for saying that.)

I mean we’re discussing this topic on a message board. Does anyone under 25 even know what a message board is? Reddit excluded, maybe.

Lets face it, we’re all sitting around watching the local news / Andy Griffith Show back-to-back wondering what all the fuss about “the Metallica” is all about.

Edited April 21, 2022 by For Great Justice

[Technico Support]

18 hours ago, zendragon said:

I remember Rico's finally run where he was he was Jackie Gayas camps fun friend and it was getting over , but he got cut for being 40

The Rico/Jackie/Charlie love triangle, wherein Rico was into Charlie, Charlie was into Jackie, and Jackie was into Rico, and all three were completely oblivious to the others' interest, could have been great if WWE had someone, anyone on staff that could have handled it well.  Of course, you could say that for any angle they ever did.

[zendragon]

4 hours ago, L_W_P said:

Anything I have ever heard/read, from all parties, is that Bret was desperate for Vince to give him a reason to stay. He just needed... something.

Right up until that night in Montreal I think Bret & Vince were as close as any booker/star were going to get in WWF.

If he drops the belt to Taker on his way out I think Vince would have found the money to  poach him straight back alongside Jericho, Show & The Radicalz.

I think that one of the reasons for Bret bitterness was that he had issues with his own father and Vince was some what of a surrogate father for him. And thats what hurt 

[Kang]

The Nielsen Television ratings system is alright but sometimes they certainly did exaggerate the numbers for sure in the past, I highly doubt TNA really ever did 2.2 million or so viewers at one point, as previously claimed years ago.

 Nielsen never really were fully accurate either from the 90's to up until somewhat in recent times with the updates to their system.

[NoFistsJustFlips]

They claim to be however accurate but come on. There's no way one person counting for 10,000 people is ever going to actually be accurate.

In this digital age it boggles my mind that Nieleson doesn't enter into agreements to put viewership measuring tools into every single cable box / satellite box / digital converter / smart tv out there and get the true and accurate numbers. Is there any consumer out there that would really say no to that as part of the user agreement to sign up for cable / satellite / buying a tv? Most everyone would not even read it and just sign it and not care.

We have the technology to make it happen. Greed is the only answer for why it doesn't happen. Cable / Satellite / TV manufacturers would want a piece of the pie to allow the tech to be placed into their systems.

[nofuture]

3 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

In this digital age it boggles my mind that Nieleson doesn't enter into agreements to put viewership measuring tools into every single cable box / satellite box / digital converter / smart tv out there and get the true and accurate numbers. Is there any consumer out there that would really say no to that as part of the user agreement to sign up for cable / satellite / buying a tv? Most everyone would not even read it and just sign it and not care.

We have the technology to make it happen. Greed is the only answer for why it doesn't happen. Cable / Satellite / TV manufacturers would want a piece of the pie to allow the tech to be placed into their systems.

Because they have to verify that someone is actually watching and not just leave the tv on some random channel.  Also, the viewers profile (age/race/income/etc) is important data too. 

[cwoy2j]

31 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

They claim to be however accurate but come on. There's no way one person counting for 10,000 people is ever going to actually be accurate.

In this digital age it boggles my mind that Nieleson doesn't enter into agreements to put viewership measuring tools into every single cable box / satellite box / digital converter / smart tv out there and get the true and accurate numbers. Is there any consumer out there that would really say no to that as part of the user agreement to sign up for cable / satellite / buying a tv? Most everyone would not even read it and just sign it and not care.

We have the technology to make it happen. Greed is the only answer for why it doesn't happen. Cable / Satellite / TV manufacturers would want a piece of the pie to allow the tech to be placed into their systems.

The place I lived in when I was in grad school in 01-02 had a Nielsen box. One of my roommates was a massive coke head who was awake at all hours of the night once he got done with his shift at Denny's and would just park himself in front of the tv for hours before going out to score more. I'm sure our house skewed the ratings for whatever shitty infomercials were on at 3am and reruns of Shasta McNasty and That's My Bush.

Edited April 21, 2022 by cwoy2j

[DreamBroken]

3 hours ago, Technico Support said:

The Rico/Jackie/Charlie love triangle, wherein Rico was into Charlie, Charlie was into Jackie, and Jackie was into Rico, and all three were completely oblivious to the others' interest, could have been great if WWE had someone, anyone on staff that could have handled it well.  Of course, you could say that for any angle they ever did.

 

[SirSmUgly]

Rico Constantino was such a versatile performer, the sort of thing they like out of guys like Santino, that they really didn't get enough use out of him as a midcarder with solid in-ring talent who could make anything work. 

[cwoy2j]

It sucks that Rico got cut when he did because I was digging his "modern day Adrian Street" thing. 

[SirSmUgly]

In general, I feel like pro wrestling shows in America over the past decade have struggled to maintain a well-defined midcard with compelling programs, and going back and watching a bunch of '80s WWF brings that to the fore. I think there are pockets of time where that's happened (specifically for a couple years in NXT back in the middle of the decade), but it hasn't been consistent for awhile. 

Maybe that's a bit too flowery a perception of like '84 - '90 WWF, too, but man does watching a full show feel fulfilling in that sense. It's like everyone on the card has some goal they're trying to immediately reach and maybe a secondary goal that's being set up for their next feud. 

[zendragon]

Charlie Hass was such a good tag team guy. WGTT should have never been broken up and should have had a 20 year run like the Rock n Rolls or the Midnights. Enjoyed his runs with Bob Holly (another solid tag guy) and Rico.

And Campy, Fun, Face Rico was an oddly positive portrayal of gay culture in wrestling. And JR would always try to put him over. I love this exchange from I think the 2003 Royale Rumble

JR: "here's Rico former Las Vegas police officer and he's a lot tougher than he wants you to believe" 

Tazz: "You'd have to be tough to wear those pants in Red Hook"

JR: "You'd have to be tough to wear them in Oklahoma too"

[Kang]

DDP's story about Triple H's Cutter

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2022/04/ddp-called-wwe-star-to-ask-them-to-stop-doing-the-cutter-as-a-finisher/

[(BP)]

I never thought about it, but of course Hunter and DDP would get along. Page was probably one of the only wrestlers in the 90s besides Hunter watching both companies’ shows as a form of homework. 

[BrianS81177]

To put some happy vibes out there, here is Nick Comoroto proposing to his girlfriend at an indie show.

 

[Ziggy]

3 hours ago, zendragon said:

Charlie Hass was such a good tag team guy. WGTT should have never been broken up and should have had a 20 year run like the Rock n Rolls or the Midnights. Enjoyed his runs with Bob Holly (another solid tag guy) and Rico.

And Campy, Fun, Face Rico was an oddly positive portrayal of gay culture in wrestling. And JR would always try to put him over. 

Hass talked about how even during his run with Rico even then guys didn't want to work with Rico or make him look good. He put him over how legit tough he was but the Adrian Street gimmick was basically a death sentence for him. I remember I had a before they were stars DVD from '03 that featured all the recently called up OVW guys and outside of Dinsmore and the Bashams and Flash Flanagan, Rico seemed like the better overall worker of all the first crop of OVW call ups on that tape and you had Cornette put him over on the alternate commentary he did with Meltzer. But your right JR put him over as a tough guy inspite of the gimmick. I was happy to see him get to actually work on the main roster but that type gimmick in WWE unless your getting build up to eventually get paired again the top Babyface or the Undertaker like Goldust was then its a death sentence.

[Cobra Commander]

Random: guessing the overlap between American pro wrestlers who got most of their work in Japan and fans of the song "Big In Japan" by Alphaville isn't that huge

Unless Bruiser Brody was really into new wave synth pop

[Kang]

I forgot about the WCW HOF. 

Lou Thesz

Verne Gagne

Mr. Wrestling II

Eddie Graham

Harley Race

Ernie Ladd

The Crusher

Dick the Bruiser

Ole Anderson

Masked Assassin

Wahoo McDaniel

Dusty Rhodes

Antonio Inoki

Angelo Poffo

Terry Funk

Big John Studd

Gordon Solie.

[cwoy2j]

10 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

Random: guessing the overlap between American pro wrestlers who got most of their work in Japan and fans of the song "Big In Japan" by Alphaville isn't that huge

Unless Bruiser Brody was really into new wave synth pop

I never knew that song was an original. I've only ever known the cover by Guano Apes. The opening part of this version sounds like something Brody or another wild man wrestler would actually enter the ring to.