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38 minutes ago, PetrolCB said:

Cody (fighting for Pharaoah) vs Reigns for who is the true BIG DOG~!

Culminating in a dog food match.

Dog Food Match = WWE’s new Hell in a Cell. Reserved for only the most heated feuds. 

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21 hours ago, Kevin Wilson said:

Cody had seven title runs in WWE, he wasn't a jobber, but its pretty firmly established in WWE history that he is an upper midcarder at best. That doesn't mean he can't be more than that, but its going to be a fine line to walk to present him as elevated without being able to say *why* fans should see him as more than Dashing or Stardust.

While I think your general sentiment makes sense, I want to talk about this point specifically. The thinking many people have been using when a Suzuki or KENTA or Jay White show up in AEW is that if the audience buys into them being a big deal, there's no need to hold the audience's hand and over-explain. I would say that principle could be applied just the same to Cody, who's been presented successfully as a big deal on national television for two+ years now. If he comes in and everybody knows what the deal is and accepts him as a big star, nobody really needs to address the "why."

That said, I expect his time away is addressed in some manner. How cute they want to get is up to them. But I'm not sure how fine the line they need to walk is. If you mean in the sense of how much they want to risk bigging up the competition, well sure and that's up to them how far they want to go. But I imagine they're free to be as explicit as they want. I don't know much about Tony Khan, but he sure presents himself as somewhat of an absolutist in wanting an interconnected wrestling world. In that spirit, I'm sure he'd be tickled by hearing his wrestling being explicitly referenced on Monday Night Raw. 

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1 minute ago, John from Cincinnati said:

While I think your general sentiment makes sense, I want to talk about this point specifically. The thinking many people have been using when a Suzuki or KENTA or Jay White show up in AEW is that if the audience buys into them being a big deal, there's no need to hold the audience's hand and over-explain. I would say that principle could be applied just the same to Cody, who's been presented successfully as a big deal on national television for two+ years now. If he comes in and everybody knows what the deal is and accepts him as a big star, nobody really needs to address the "why."

That said, I expect his time away is addressed in some manner. How cute they want to get is up to them. But I'm not sure how fine the line they need to walk is. If you mean in the sense of how much they want to risk bigging up the competition, well sure and that's up to them how far they want to go. But I imagine they're free to be as explicit as they want. I don't know much about Tony Khan, but he sure presents himself as somewhat of an absolutist in wanting an interconnected wrestling world. In that spirit, I'm sure he'd be tickled by hearing his wrestling being explicitly referenced on Monday Night Raw. 

I don't necessarily disagree with that. I am mostly going off how Vince treated WCW, which was not to really reference them any more than possible when they signed their stars (Jericho, Big Show, Radicalz) but at the same time they treated them as a big deal since fans weren't stupid and knew who they were. The WM crowd is "smart" so they will know whats up but AEW still does a fraction of the ratings of RAW/SD, us being "online" fans we know what Cody has been up to but not everyone may know once they get back to normal crowds. It will be interesting to see how the crowd reacts, and how he is treated the first six months or so, I'm looking forward to seeing it play out.

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My dad is really the only person I know who watches Raw and Smackdown regularly but isn't a smark. He's been a fan since the early 80's, through and through WWE fan. I asked him who he thought was wrestling Seth Rollins at Wrestlemania, he said he figured a legend would come out and beat him up. When I said I heard it might be Cody Rhodes he said "Who!?"

I kinda reminded him, said he left a few years, helped found a new company and now he's back. "Who cares?"

He is very engrossed by Roman-Brock.

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43 minutes ago, PetrolCB said:

Kennel From Hell.

having the blue bar cage inside of the hell in a hell was a concept that should have been used much better

maybe an escape the cage match where there's lumberjacks in-between the blue bar cage and the cell door so that wrestlers also have to fight off lumberjacks to win the match

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6 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said:

While I think your general sentiment makes sense, I want to talk about this point specifically. The thinking many people have been using when a Suzuki or KENTA or Jay White show up in AEW is that if the audience buys into them being a big deal, there's no need to hold the audience's hand and over-explain. I would say that principle could be applied just the same to Cody, who's been presented successfully as a big deal on national television for two+ years now. If he comes in and everybody knows what the deal is and accepts him as a big star, nobody really needs to address the "why."

That said, I expect his time away is addressed in some manner. How cute they want to get is up to them. But I'm not sure how fine the line they need to walk is. If you mean in the sense of how much they want to risk bigging up the competition, well sure and that's up to them how far they want to go. But I imagine they're free to be as explicit as they want. I don't know much about Tony Khan, but he sure presents himself as somewhat of an absolutist in wanting an interconnected wrestling world. In that spirit, I'm sure he'd be tickled by hearing his wrestling being explicitly referenced on Monday Night Raw. 

The thing is Kevin Dunn and Vince have convinced themselves that WWE fans watch no other wrestling

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3 minutes ago, zendragon said:

The thing is Kevin Dunn and Vince have convinced themselves that WWE fans watch no other wrestling

Does what they have on their programs qualify as wrestling?

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I think with Cody they're just gonna basically do what they did with Drew McIntyre when he came back. He had to leave to figure things out/level up/whatever and is now here to dominate. You don't need to specify with details like "he won the impact title" or "he solved racism", the general acknowledgement of he was here before, has changed and is better now is a solid enough base that they can screw up elsewhere in the process.

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watching a March 1985 Mid-Atlantic episode and i'm not sure which tag team is weirder between Ric Flair & Magnum TA (remember, Flair was a face in Mid-Atlantic until even after the beginning of JCP getting on TBS) or Redneck Avalanche Buzz Tyler & Englishman Steve Casey

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2 hours ago, username said:

I think with Cody they're just gonna basically do what they did with Drew McIntyre when he came back. He had to leave to figure things out/level up/whatever and is now here to dominate. You don't need to specify with details like "he won the impact title" or "he solved racism", the general acknowledgement of he was here before, has changed and is better now is a solid enough base that they can screw up elsewhere in the process.

Have him main event NXT against Robert Roode? 

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serious question

Does anyone think NXT 2.0 is better than what we had before?  Building a show on new talent is always well and good if your champion isn't Dolph Ziggler.  Loved 2014-2018 NXT.  Not a fan of the arena looking like my 2nd great Art smock either. 

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Watching the Kliq tag from Action Zone (which is posted in the Scott Hall memorial thread) got me watching more tags with Kevin Nash. I'm feeling like Nash is massively underrated as a tag worker. It's like when I ended up going down a rabbit hole and watching Barbarian be an awesome tag worker across multiple teams over multiple years, or Haku being great as a Colossal Connection, a Face of Fear, and an Islander. 

Jump off: Which workers do you think are underrated tag workers worth watching in a bunch of tags? I'm especially interested in a) people more known for singles runs than as part of a tag team, and b) people who are thought of as "just okay" or worse as singles wrestlers who IYO excel in tags. 

If you want to list a few matches to watch, that'd be great, too. 

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Neidhart is interesting. I think the Hart Foundation is a good tag team, but I think most of that is Bret being a great FIP. Neidhart is fine in his role, but his hot-tag big-man offense isn't that great. It's adequate. What other tag work does he have worth checking out, do you think?

Darsow is pretty great, though. Demos are awesome and he's pretty good when tagging with a Koloff. I sort of think of Darsow as a tag team specialist, but anyone who sees him more as a singles guy, yeah, I get it. Repo Man is immense. 

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20 minutes ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said:

Neidhart is interesting. I think the Hart Foundation is a good tag team, but I think most of that is Bret being a great FIP. Neidhart is fine in his role, but his hot-tag big-man offense isn't that great. It's adequate. What other tag work does he have worth checking out, do you think?

Darsow is pretty great, though. Demos are awesome and he's pretty good when tagging with a Koloff. I sort of think of Darsow as a tag team specialist, but anyone who sees him more as a singles guy, yeah, I get it. Repo Man is immense. 

Neidhart and Butch Reed had a really good team.

As a kid, I like Anvil way better than Bret.  That changed later, of course, but Neidhart was the one who jumped out at me first.

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2 minutes ago, Log said:

Neidhart and Butch Reed had a really good team.

As a kid, I like Anvil way better than Bret.  That changed later, of course, but Neidhart was the one who jumped out at me first.

Neidhart was big, had the cool beard, the evil laugh, and the big spinebuster. Bret was skinny and had very greasy hair.

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