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I don’t mean this as a slight to the performer himself (who I enjoy) or an endorsement of whatever is going on with the new name aesthetically or otherwise, but hasn’t WALTER’s gimmick always been a little uhhhhh Nazi-suggestive? Nazi-flirtatious? Am I crazy?

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There’s probably some nationalities where Walter would have the exact same gimmick and not come off like the descendent of a war criminal, so some of that is probably more about the famous in America post-WW2 Austrians having some familial ties to Nazis. Except for Falco?

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8 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

There’s probably some nationalities where Walter would have the exact same gimmick and not come off like the descendent of a war criminal, so some of that is probably more about the famous in America post-WW2 Austrians having some familial ties to Nazis. Except for Falco?

Speaking of Falco, this thing with WALTER could  only be redeemed if he entered the ring to a symphonic metal version of Rock Me Amadeus after the name change.

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1 hour ago, The Idiot King said:

I don’t mean this as a slight to the performer himself (who I enjoy) or an endorsement of whatever is going on with the new name aesthetically or otherwise, but hasn’t WALTER’s gimmick always been a little uhhhhh Nazi-suggestive? Nazi-flirtatious? Am I crazy?

I mean, Ring Kampf has a word from the title of the most infamous Nazi book in it, but I guess I can't throw stones at people using perfectly innocent German words and trusting that context will mean everyone knows they refute the principles of National Socialism that have sometimes been associated with those words.

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6 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

Using recent naming standards, a millionaire character whose real name is Ted would end up with the name "Teddy Money"

Extra note: I've heard at least two "wrong" pronounciations of DiBiase from wrestling clips. The well-known "Dibussy", and also clips from early 80s St. Louis where he's "DiBias"

"Stark" is the German word for "Strong", so this name is along the same lines. 🙄

1 hour ago, SturmCRF said:

I mean, Ring Kampf has a word from the title of the most infamous Nazi book in it, but I guess I can't throw stones at people using perfectly innocent German words and trusting that context will mean everyone knows they refute the principles of National Socialism that have sometimes been associated with those words.

"Kampf" is just the German word for "fight". Guess what Ringkampf literally translates to? Never understood the association with Nazism from the English-speaking fans 

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3 hours ago, The Idiot King said:

I don’t mean this as a slight to the performer himself (who I enjoy) or an endorsement of whatever is going on with the new name aesthetically or otherwise, but hasn’t WALTER’s gimmick always been a little uhhhhh Nazi-suggestive? Nazi-flirtatious? Am I crazy?

Only seen a bit I always felt that Imperium was sorta supposed to be fasict gimmick 

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30 minutes ago, The Z said:

"Stark" is the German word for "Strong", so this name is along the same lines. 🙄

"Kampf" is just the German word for "fight". Guess what Ringkampf literally translates to? Never understood the association with Nazism from the English-speaking fans 

I think it's literally just that, for your typical non German speaker, their only association with that word is from an awareness of Mein Kampf being a thing. They don't know the meaning of the word in isolation, their brain just goes straight to 'bad Hitler book'.

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2 hours ago, SturmCRF said:

I mean, Ring Kampf has a word from the title of the most infamous Nazi book in it, but I guess I can't throw stones at people using perfectly innocent German words and trusting that context will mean everyone knows they refute the principles of National Socialism that have sometimes been associated with those words.

But wasn't Lord of the RINGs more like an Anti-Nazi book than the other way around? Unless, you mean the other...Oh! Ok.

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Listening to Observer Radio the other day, Dave made a joke about how preposterous the idea was that Flair and Mulligan tried to run a territory.

Now look, I know Flair was bad with finances, but I can tell you Blackjack absolutely knew how to make money.

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4 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

Sorry, the best the WWE creative can do for you is “Der Kommissar” by After The Fire

If you're not careful, he'll come to the ring holding 99 Red Balloons

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18 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

"God damn Pal, there's a lot of rape in this show"

"I'm not complaining, I'm just saying."

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11 minutes ago, JLowe said:

If you're not careful, he'll come to the ring holding 99 Red Balloons

Or at least have the Bloodhoung Gang wrote a song about him

James

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54 minutes ago, Infinit said:

JCP did a TV taping in Brantford, Ontario, Canada on February 16th, 1987. Any idea which shows these matches aired on? Were they for Pro or Worldwide?

There are a good portion of those JCP cards on various websites marked as TV tapings when they probably won't. They might have taken footage from those shows but not aired whole matches. For that one, I think it might have been in conjunction with the local promotion they were working with. 

Plus, the Pro and Worldwide stuff listed after that date is in line with the markets they regularly ran. Worldwide/Pro for 2/21 was taped in Charlotte on 2/14. World Championship Wrestling was taped 2/21 in Atlanta and aired the same day.

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7 hours ago, The Z said:

"Stark" is the German word for "Strong", so this name is along the same lines. 🙄

"Kampf" is just the German word for "fight". Guess what Ringkampf literally translates to? Never understood the association with Nazism from the English-speaking fans 

This is what a lot of people say in defense and I get it! I am 100% a dumb American. But like, if Alex Wright came to the ring and talked about dancekampf, he would still look like a fun-time German party boy (not talking about Berlyn here, which for all the talk of THAT being fascist-looking, really came off more like a German Industrial Goth thing).

It's the ringkampf-as-personal-philosophy, it's the hair, it's the JACKET, it's the theme music (it's not Wagner, but...), it's the military-style posing, it's all of that together sort of just SUGGESTING something. I'm not saying he should even change the gimmick -- I genuinely don't care, I think it's way less dodgy than a lot of other things even in recent memory  -- just that I think it's funny when people are like, "Oh, WWE are gonna make him a Nazi because it's such low hanging fruit," and it feels like, well, y'know, we're 3/4 of the way there already.

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4 minutes ago, The Idiot King said:

"Oh, WWE are gonna make him a Nazi because it's such low hanging fruit," and it feels like, well, y'know, we're 3/4 of the way there already.

Have to admit I have felt for a while that Imperium is a Japanese wrestler away from being an Axis Powers reference.

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7 hours ago, SturmCRF said:

I think it's literally just that, for your typical non German speaker, their only association with that word is from an awareness of Mein Kampf being a thing. They don't know the meaning of the word in isolation, their brain just goes straight to 'bad Hitler book'.

Funny that this coming from someone with your user name. "Sturm" in German is related to "Stürmer" and I think "Der Stürmer" might also be well known among English-speakers with a faint knowledge of 1930ies and 40ies European history.

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