odessasteps Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 There's also the argument that blading might be grotesque, but probably safer* for you from an overall wellness standpoint than doing stuntman spots that lead to broken limbs and neck surgeries. (*Unless you get Hep C or HIV) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I did not know Jim Johnson was working for the WWF as far back as 91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 hours ago, keith_h said: Self mutilation lol… Vince has cut some of the goriest blade jobs in WWE history. Hell Survivor Series 2003 (I think) against Undertaker was just spraying blood. But I guess that was “then” Correct, Vince McMahon vs. The Undertaker in a Buried Alive match at Survivor Series 2003. Last match as Biker Taker till the Boneyard match vs. AJ Styles at WrestleMania XXXVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 The last officially allowed WWE bladejob was Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho. All of the ones after that were against Vince's rules. But after Batista's big fine, that probably put a lot of people off from going into business for themselves. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, AxB said: The last officially allowed WWE bladejob was Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho. All of the ones after that were against Vince's rules. But after Batista's big fine, that probably put a lot of people off from going into business for themselves. The Great American Bash 2008. Unpopular opinion, I think it's the best Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 WWE has gone back and forth on their views on blading and blood in general for almost 40 years. I don't mind someone getting color in a match if the match calls for it. This company has PPVs based around TLC matches ,Elimination Chamber Matches , He'll in the Cell Matches etc though out the year annually for over a decade and they've had a no color policy for that same amount of time. You shouldn't promote those gimmick Matches knowing these guys can't have any blood. That's dumb, thats like booking The Summerslam 95 Razor vs Shawn ladder match and telling them they couldn't use the ladder as a weapon. The same company where Executive Vice President was using a Sledgehammer to get heat on his opponents, ever after the blood policy was inactive. I know he wasn't the first person to use the Sledgehammer but he made it his signature thing, one of the most business exposing things ever with or without blood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, zendragon said: I did not know Jim Johnson was working for the WWF as far back as 91 Before that even, he was involved with Piledriver - the wrestling album 2 which was 1987. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Didnt WWE glorify the hell out of the time Becky was busted open? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnnyJ said: Didnt WWE glorify the hell out of the time Becky was busted open? Yes, but it was unintentional which makes it a totally different thing to them. It got Becky over to the next level that they hadn't planned to at that time. And at the same time WWE would have been stupid not to do something with that. That whole statement is an big deal only because it's a women's match. They did the same in the mid 90s with WCW and before that in the 80s trying to paint themselves as the more sanitized inring product in comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Moneghetti Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I dunno what the Moxley deathmatch stuff or the women's Rampage bloodbath is supposed to accomplish, but for me it isn't working. I'm not turning it off, I guess, and I probably wouldn't have watched the women's tag match if people hadn't started talking it up, but my main reaction is "you're a major company with a national tv deal. Why are you doing this?". i feel a bit like I'm gawking at a car crash, so it probably won't take too much for me to start skipping those segments. In a nutshell, I don't feel like it adds much to the show, and risks angering sponsors if you go too far or something like the ladies match unexpectedly blows up in the mainstream media. Vince is being a bit hypocritical trying to portray himself as the more sanitized product, but he's not entirely wrong. I've watched CZW and Big Japan in the past, and mostly just ff'ed through the deathmatch stuff without thinking about it, but - as is the case with men wrestling women - it's a different ball game when you're in the big time. I dunno. I bought a PPV for the spectacle of a Moxley-Kingston deathmatch and I watched the Tay/Anna/Ford/Bunny match on YouTube, so I can't complain too much, but I kinda wish I had skipped both of those. My main thought about both those matches is TNT/TBS is going to want to reign them in sooner or later. The first TBS show had Hangman bleeding a lot too, though i don't remember if that looked like a blade job or an accident (given how much he bled, I'm assuming he bladed?). I don't really think of Anna, Penelope, or Tay as hardcore wrestlers, so the next time they bleed a lot, I'll probably pass. Once was more than enough, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 56 minutes ago, Ziggy said: Yes, but it was unintentional which makes it a totally different thing to them. It got Becky over to the next level that they hadn't planned to at that time. And at the same time WWE would have been stupid not to do something with that. The thing is...does a regular viewer know the difference between an unintentional elbow or hardway juice and "self mutilation" when they're both in the content of a fight? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I thought this was Ronda Rousey's best singles match vs. Sasha Banks at the 2019 Royal Rumble. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Ali requested his release from WWE. Edited January 16, 2022 by D.Z 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, D.Z said: Ali requested his release from WWE. Here's the tweet: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Uncle Tony absolutely shouldn't sign everyone WWE releases. It's terrible business practice and leads to a bloated roster. Uncle Tony absolutely should move heaven and earth to bring Mustafa Ali to his show. Dude could be an absolute star. If that means less tv time for guys like Tony Nese and Bobby Fish... so much the better. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 30 minutes ago, just drew said: Uncle Tony absolutely shouldn't sign everyone WWE releases. It's terrible business practice and leads to a bloated roster. Uncle Tony absolutely should move heaven and earth to bring Mustafa Ali to his show. Dude could be an absolute star. If that means less tv time for guys like Tony Nese and Bobby Fish... so much the better. We live in an age of brutal contradiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 11 hours ago, odessasteps said: There's also the argument that blading might be grotesque, but probably safer* for you from an overall wellness standpoint than doing stuntman spots that lead to broken limbs and neck surgeries. (*Unless you get Hep C or HIV) Per Tony Myers it's specifically why Mr Pogo tacked in that direction, because other than the cosmetic damage it was actually a very safe style... plus he had a ton of charisma and could lean on the in-ring psychology. Man, Ali has a set of brass balls to put out a tweet like that. He has a great head on his shoulders and I have no doubt he'll land on his feet somewhere if/when they let him go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiseReise Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I don't like the modern plunder street fight matches. I don't think blood/blading hurts matches, but sucky apronside table bumps, kendo sticks and hours of setting up shit just sucks imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 hours ago, The Natural said: Here's the tweet: I wonder if he thinks he could've been in the spot Kofi had a few years ago. I know Kofi was his replacement in that EC but I don't think they would have planned to go all the way like they did with Kofi. As indecisive as Vince is nowadays its kinda wrong to say if a certain hypothetical situation would happen because how ADHD minded he is. Ali is one of those guys I've felt should have left a few years ago 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Moneghetti Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 hours ago, just drew said: Uncle Tony absolutely should move heaven and earth to bring Mustafa Ali to his show. Dude could be an absolute star. If that means less tv time for guys like Tony Nese and Bobby Fish... so much the better. What does Ali bring to the table that, say, Buddy Murphy or Swerve Scott don't? Or Bandido or Jonathan Gresham, for that matter. I'm neutral on Ali, but I can't think of a reason to sign him when there are so many free agents out there now with his skill set and then some. If AEW is looking for a cruiserweight for the Youtube shows, Murphy, Scott, Gresham and a couple others can fill that slot at least as well. If he wants a bigger name (and salary), well, Jeff Hardy and John Morrison are out there. If Jeff pulls his act together, I would expect he and Matt will at least try to get him into AEW. Honestly, if AEW is tempted to pick up Ali when he's free, they should sign Samoa Joe even if it's just to be a talker. Or go after Braun or Kross if they really want a big man. I don't really think AEW needs to sign another cruiserweight from WWE. I didn't think they needed Neese. They've already got more agile cruiserweights than then need. Push six of them. Push Dante Martin, Jungle Boy, Darby, Sammy, etc. Give Lio Rush a solid chance to prove he has something yet. If you really need more guys for your Youtube shows, see what the ROH castoffs have to offer before you chase WWE guys who didn't get over. I think Vince will keep Ali under contract and just let him sit home till the deal expires. Calling out your boss on social media never ends well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 It’s a gutsy move from Ali. I think if I’m a midcarder under WWE contract that has survived the recent cuts, then I’m looking at the landscape outside of WWE and probably just hanging around until either my contract expires or I get cut. In the meantime I get to keep wrestling (or sit at home). All the other promotions are jammed with talent at the moment, added to that there are a ton of guys and girls out there who haven’t even found a home. Is it worth giving up being lost in the mix under contract to potentially get lost in the mix without a contract? I think you have to have absolute belief in yourself to make that jump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StretchMediatedHypertrophy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Quote What does Ali bring to the table that, say, Buddy Murphy or Swerve Scott don't? Ali is a much better sympathetic babyface than all the guys you mentioned, save maybe Darby. Thank you for your question. Edited January 16, 2022 by RunningFromAmerica what happened to manual quote tags anyway? 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 33 minutes ago, RunningFromAmerica said: Ali is a much better sympathetic babyface than all the guys you mentioned, save maybe Darby. Thank you for your question. Give him the opportunity and he's probably the best pure babyface in the world. He's that good. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) He's also a better promo than most free agents, or even a ton of folks already signed to AEW... Edited January 17, 2022 by christopher.annino 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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