Brandon Bones Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I recommend a road trip with FTR or buying a tickets to the Ricky and Robert farewell tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 An important thing to remember about Pillman is that he was signed by MLW and put on their TV less than a year into his pro career. This business has been trying to rush him into being something he’s not ready for since Day 1. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, AxB said: Brian senior was a bland babyface (who wasn't very good at promos), right up until he turned heel when he was 30. Brian Pillman jr is 28. No way was Pillman Sr. a bland babyface. Dude was a fantastic underdog babyface from 89-92. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 On 1/15/2022 at 7:45 PM, John E. Dynamite said: That statement wasn't made with fans in mind, only advertisers. If there's one advertiser that doesn't want to associate their brand with women bleeding all over the place, and if WWE's statement makes them realize it, they did their job. Smear the competition and make their brand less valuable. On 1/15/2022 at 8:09 PM, Elsalvajeloco said: The problem with this though is real violence hasn't been a stumbling block for advertisers in 15 years. UFC managed to blue chip sponsors as far back as 10-12 years ago. They've had several gory fights with women in primetime for the longest. If there is any stumbling block, it's going to be that it's either pro wrestling, MMA, or boxing period. That perception has been largely wiped away for a minute now. Once a company gets to certain level, that's pretty much it unless they go in reverse in terms of popularity. Otherwise, advertisers don't give a fuck. From 1998 to up until they banned blood, WWE regularly featured a bunch of bloodletting (granted much of it was on PPV and didn't involve women). Like an absurd amount for a company getting large TV ratings. Plus, you add in some of the violence against women and obscenity. Advertisers might have backed off a little, but it was never a large enough issue where advertisers were pulling out left and right. How many times have we seen in the NFL someone get placed on backboard after they just came back from an ad break that included brands like Microsoft, Coca-Cola, Pizza Hut, and Samsung? People have largely moved past some of the grisly and barbaric nature of sports, real or fake. If you're going to put the poison pill out there, you got levy stronger stuff than that. Mild spitepost here (I'm much more upset about the gritty, unwashed kale in my breakfast sandwich. First world problems.) - I guess Meltzer did some big piece about how Warner Media was pissed about the WWE's anti-Bunny-bloodbath statement, and looked at the WWE's history of using these sorts of tactics against their competition. "Sources noted that WarnerMedia was upset about the WWE quote, taking it as an attempt at a personal attack against the company in an attempt to hurt their ad sales." Until AEW renews their TV deal, the WWE will blatantly attempt to damage the AEW brand's image when possible - like I was trying to tell you all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Yeah, friends and I just watched 91 Wargames and Pillman (and Windham) were MVPs. Horsemen had jumped Brian the night before on tv and he came in beat to shit, shoulder heavily taped. While Sting and company were discussing who was going to start the match, Pillman rushed past them into the cage and had the match of his life. He showed so much fire, was incredibly aggressive, yet still managed to do flashy shit like head scissors while holding himself up by the roof of the cage. It looked great and didn't feel out of place. And holy hell, that has to be a top 3 WCW match of all time along with Vader and Sting from 92 and Eddie/Rey. His work with Flair in 90 and 91 ruled too. Edited January 21, 2022 by Jiji 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I feel the Liger matches are overrated but that is one hell of a Wargames. We should probably do a run-through of all the good face Pillman matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, John E. Dynamite said: Mild spitepost here (I'm much more upset about the gritty, unwashed kale in my breakfast sandwich. First world problems.) - I guess Meltzer did some big piece about how Warner Media was pissed about the WWE's anti-Bunny-bloodbath statement, and looked at the WWE's history of using these sorts of tactics against their competition. "Sources noted that WarnerMedia was upset about the WWE quote, taking it as an attempt at a personal attack against the company in an attempt to hurt their ad sales." Until AEW renews their TV deal, the WWE will blatantly attempt to damage the AEW brand's image when possible - like I was trying to tell you all. No, I totally understand what you're saying and see your point. What I don't understand is from WWE's perspective. What would do AEW in is a direct correlation between over the top, graphic violence and ratings patterns. For example, not all that long ago, the female viewership hit a nosedive when a few weeks back-to-back-to-back they did some very bloody and kinda gruesome stuff in some matches which I believe included the Britt Baker vs. Thunder Rosa Lights Out match. It's starting to sorta recover, but clearly, whatever it was turned off the female viewers in a big way and they're only starting to come back now. It has to be a direct cause and effect and not just random mudslinging for WWE to get real damage. Otherwise, if AEW continues to get solid to good ratings every week, they're going to get more money like everyone else in sports in getting more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Last really good babyface Pillman match I watched was w/ Zenk vs. The Midnight Express at the infamous RoboCop show. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, John E. Dynamite said: Last really good babyface Pillman match I watched was w/ Zenk vs. The Midnight Express at the infamous RoboCop show. Probably my favorite Pillman (and Zenk) match ever, btw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 38 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: I feel the Liger matches are overrated but that is one hell of a Wargames. We should probably do a run-through of all the good face Pillman matches. Pillman's "Run the Guantlet" weekend was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorman Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Lawful Metal said: I have questions about Sammy Guevara’s G.T.H. Finisher: 1) what does the “H” stand for? G.T.S. Stands for “Go To Sleep” so what’s the H for? I’m gonna assume it’s “Go To Houston.” Or hell. Same thing. GTH stands for "Go To Hospital." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawful Metal Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gorman said: GTH stands for "Go To Hospital." Niko says it's "Go To Hell" I'm pretty sure it's "Go To Houston" Any other takers? Go To Horse? Go To Holland? Go To Habitats For Humanity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Gorman said: GTH stands for "Go To Hospital." "Did you mean 'Go To Medical Facility?'" That would be great if an announcer actually called it GTH, which stands for "Go To Medical Facility!" 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Damn, I think I'm gonna change the finisher for my Greek Fire Pro character to the "Go To Hades" That shit's money, I tell ya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Ghetto Type Housing. Grief trumps happiness Gold tastes heavy Guevara turns heel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowe Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 My question about Sammy's finisher is "Isn't it exactly the same as Punk's?", and if so, will they have a "battle of the finisher" feud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, L_W_P said: I'm still waiting for KENTA to walk through the Forbidden Door... He already did. Edited January 21, 2022 by John E. Dynamite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, L_W_P said: I meant specifically to fight Punk. He wants to, although Danhausen has already required Punk to pay him royalties for using HIS finisher so... Also the GTH starts from a torture rack position so it's a variation on the GTS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 @The Natural, I'd guess you might enjoy this article. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawful Metal Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, christopher.annino said: He wants to, although Danhausen has already required Punk to pay him royalties for using HIS finisher so... Also the GTH starts from a torture rack position so it's a variation on the GTS. Dijack / T-BAR's Feast Your Eyes is technically superior but actually worse than the GTH despite being the exact same move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said: @The Natural, I'd guess you might enjoy this article. Thank you, @John from Cincinnati. Really enjoyed reading this article on Bryan Danielson's conditioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Dijak and Sammy had legit beef over how they have the same finish. Dijak said Sammy stole it off him. Sammy said no, I stole it off the same guy you stole it off, and I started using it before you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawful Metal Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, AxB said: Dijak and Sammy had legit beef over how they have the same finish. Dijak said Sammy stole it off him. Sammy said no, I stole it off the same guy you stole it off, and I started using it before you did. Wait, who'd they steal it from? And also that's hilarious as Dijak's version is very safe, controlled, and looks exactly the same every time and Sammy's is like all whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Love Sammy, but I'm also not a GTH guy. He's got the 630 and tons of other, much smoother shit to use. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Honestly the best the GTH has looked was when he under-rotated Daniel Garcia and kneed him right in the top of his head, but that's probably not a sustainable way to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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