Dynamite - WINTER IS COMING - 12/15/2021

[J.T.]

29 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

If I were a betting man, I think Deeb's gear was suited to the event theme. Her usual burgundy/black is pretty no-bullshit, and the pink/black she wears on PPV is an obvious homage to the most no-bullshit guy ever.

This.   Deeb was the only worker to wear color themed gear in line with the Winter Is Coming them of the PPV.

Granted, they were wrestling in Dallas in December where it was probably 70 degrees or something.

Besides, I like the wardrobe dichotomy of Serena Deeb dressed in pleasant pastels and shiny sequins while tearing womens' MCLs in half with the Serenity Lock.  I still think she should shave her head again, though.

Edited December 17, 2021 by J.T.

[John E. Dynamite]

2 hours ago, AxB said:

Well, there's an issue with Women's wrestling ('s costuming). In men's wrestling, there's an established lexicon that certain outfits equate to certain things. The prime example here being, someone wearing plain black trunks, plain black boots (and optional plain black kneepads and/ or white wrist tape) is doing a "No gimmicks needed" gimmick. Whether it be Suzuki or Austin or Candido or whoever.

But in Women's wrestling, whilst there is a vast visual lexicon of what certain outfits choices mean, there's really no one outfit that says "No nonsense, just here to wrestle" (maybe what Shinobu Kandori wore would be the closest). And if there was, that would be what Serena should be wearing. But it's not something that's been established.

Amateur wrestling/MMA/kickboxing gear can get that vibe across. Leyla Hirsch is the first name in AEW that comes to mind.

Edited December 17, 2021 by John E. Dynamite

[JLowe]

12 minutes ago, John E. Dynamite said:

Amateur wrestling/MMA/kickboxing gear can get that vibe across. Layla Hirsch is the first name in AEW that comes to mind.

I was thinking of early Meiko Satomura and other Gaea wrestlers who would wear plain singlets or one-piece swimsuit-type gear

[BobbyWhioux]

41 minutes ago, John E. Dynamite said:

Amateur wrestling/MMA/kickboxing gear can get that vibe across. Layla Hirsch is the first name in AEW that comes to mind.

Tying 

Your

Hair

Back. 

 

 

[BobbyWhioux]

Constantly having to brush your hair out your face before you punch/dive/move out of the way is as bad as readjusting your tights before same. Once in a while? Sure, fine, but if you’re doing it over and over again? Make a change. It doesn’t just “look fake” if that stuff keeps slipping out of place it makes intricate spots riskier

[BobbyWhioux]

Same goes for the guys for that matter, you don’t need flowing locks to hide your spot calling during chin locks anymore.

[Jiji]

1 minute ago, BobbyWhioux said:

Same goes for the guys for that matter, you don’t need flowing locks to hide your spot calling during chin locks anymore.

Wrestling is long hair, sorry. 

[JLowe]

5 minutes ago, Jiji said:

Wrestling is long hair, sorry. 

Greasy, stringy and/or wet.

Edited December 17, 2021 by JLowe

[Zakk_Sabbath]

10 minutes ago, Jiji said:

Wrestling is long hair, sorry. 

This. I'm in the middle of Mox's book, and just read a passage where he writes "I started growing my hair out, because wrestlers have long hair." Bonus anecdotal story: my guitar teacher stopped watching in 2002, with the reason being that the then-new crop of WWE call-ups were what he called "short hair guys" - think Randy Orton, Mark Jindrak, Rob Conway, etc.

 

edit: @JLowe I can't remember who said it, maybe Bret, but I read putting a little conditioner in is the key to keeping the wet look for the whole match. Water just dries

Edited December 17, 2021 by Zakk_Sabbath

[supremebve]

2 hours ago, AxB said:

Well, there's an issue with Women's wrestling ('s costuming). In men's wrestling, there's an established lexicon that certain outfits equate to certain things. The prime example here being, someone wearing plain black trunks, plain black boots (and optional plain black kneepads and/ or white wrist tape) is doing a "No gimmicks needed" gimmick. Whether it be Suzuki or Austin or Candido or whoever.

This is the closest to my point, but pretty much everyone who posted below this had valid points as well. The first time this crossed my mind was during the women's battle royal at All Out. It was the first time I had watched about 50% of the women in the match and nothing about most of their presentations stood out in a way.  I just wanted something that told me anything about their characters. Most of them seemed to have j just worn whatever they had lying around. That is a lack of attention to detail that shouldn't happen at this level. 

There doesn't necessary need to be some universal theme to women's gear,  but it is a vital part of the presentation. I've brought up The Bunny not wearing her mask,  but without it her name doesn't even make sense. She doesn't have to wear it during her match,  but it should be part of her entrance attire. My problem with Deeb's great was less that it was bad,  but more that it didn't feel like something an ass kicking submission specialist would wear. If I was a brand new viewer who had no idea who Serena Deeb was, her gear wouldn't give me any indication of who she was or what I should expect. 

One of the things WWE does best is present every worker as a unique character. You'll have a pretty good idea what a worker is about as soon as they step out of the entryway.  It's probably what they do best. None of this is meant to be an indictment of Deeb or even the AEW women's division. I'm just someone who notices this type of thing and wants it to be better. Make every character feel unique, you never know who is watching for the first time.

[JLowe]

20 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

edit: @JLowe I can't remember who said it, maybe Bret, but I read putting a little conditioner in is the key to keeping the wet look for the whole match. Water just dries

So you don't get the Curt Hennig frizzy puff look halfway through the match (although I always loved that about him).

[Jiji]

21 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

edit: @JLowe I can't remember who said it, maybe Bret, but I read putting a little conditioner in is the key to keeping the wet look for the whole match. Water just dries

Bret should've followed that advice because he and Perfect had notorious goofy, puffed out frizzy hair halfway through their matches. Hangman has that too. I have long hair and same thing happens to mine. I've started using leave-in conditioner after showers and it does really keep your hair wet for a long time. I imagine Roman Reigns uses half a bottle before his matches.

[supremebve]

I think we can all agree, long hair Dolph Ziggler is the worst wrestling hair. 

[Guest Jimbo_Tsuruta]

29 minutes ago, Jiji said:

Wrestling is long hair, sorry. 

Amen brother, Flair's painstakingly coiffed 'do descending into a shaggy, sweaty mess as he bleeds like a stuck pig that's life right there jack. 

[Elsalvajeloco]

19 minutes ago, supremebve said:

There doesn't necessary need to be some universal theme to women's gear,  but it is a vital part of the presentation. I've brought up The Bunny not wearing her mask,  but without it her name doesn't even make sense. She doesn't have to wear it during her match,  but it should be part of her entrance attire.

When Allie became the Bunny, I think she was definitely going for a Tokyo Latina/Pieter vibe. Thing is that woman is a real life traveling exotic/pole dancer and is completely accustomed to wearing those insane looking stripper boots. Allie is a pro wrestler who probably wears tennis shoes for 3/4ths of a given day. Huge difference. I think she tried wearing those things for like three weeks, and then switched back to more "sensible" heels.

It should be a lesson to not start shit you cannot finish.

Sidenote: There was a tweet from the NJPW Global Twitter account last week with Pieter, Miki Motoi, and the other woman that works for NJPW doing interviews with the wrestlers dressed like Pieter. It was completely adorable and NSFW at the same time.

[DreamBroken]

I love it personally, definitely stands out. 

[Technico Support]

4 hours ago, supremebve said:

I think we can all agree, long hair Dolph Ziggler is the worst wrestling hair. 

Shit looks like 3 for a dollar ramen

[Octopus]

 

For the ratings talk earlier.

[The Natural]

Dickhead Danielson's the best Danielson.

[Curt McGirt]

On 12/17/2021 at 2:01 PM, BobbyWhioux said:

Constantly having to brush your hair out your face before you punch/dive/move out of the way is as bad as readjusting your tights before same.

...Except for a certain green and silver be-trunked wrestler who always had a fly in his face too. 

[The Natural]

High praise:

• On his podcast, Arn Anderson said Hangman Page and Bryan Danielson’s 60-minute draw from this week’s Dynamite is the best match he’s seen in at least 25 years:

I sat there. Will Hobbs was between Brock and I. We sat down and there was no way I was going to miss this one. Bryan Danielson may be the best in the world because I looked at his cardio, I watched his pacing, I watched his thought process, the story he was telling, the physicality, giving and receiving. Everything you would want to see in a title match for an hour was there. They didn’t miss anything. I made sure when they came through that curtain, caught their breath for a second, and started up the hallway to their dressing room, and I don’t blow smoke very much because it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. It just doesn’t feel right. Sometimes you just do it to lift someone’s spirits. I told those two guys point blank, ‘It's the best match I’ve seen in at least 25 years.’ If anybody wants to combat me on that, I would love to hear their thoughts, but it had everything. Let me tell you something. Hangman held his end up.

I told them both they made me proud to be in the wrestling business. It was just as if one of my kids was out there. I don’t know Hangman very well because we just haven’t spent a lot of time together. Much respect for his work ethic. I do know Daniel Bryan. I was with him quite a lot at my previous employment. Even knowing kind of what I could expect, I had no idea they would shine like that. Guess what? Nobody lost in that match.

[Dog]

I thought the Omega match was better. The whole thing was a steady crescendo until the bell rang.

[Technico Support]

1 hour ago, Dog said:

I thought the Omega match was better. The whole thing was a steady crescendo until the bell rang.

Same.  I’m not an hour draw guy and ymmv, but after roughly a half hour, it was obvious it was probably going the distance and that brought it down a bit for me.  The Kenny match was nonstop, to the point where there were going like crazy at the bell.

[Dog]

Oh, I loved the hour match, I just thought it wasn't quite as good. First half was near perfect. Dragon's dickhead demeanor totally changed when Hangman got his first swift kick in. But then Dragon does some baiting, frustrates him again, and the smirking is back. That back and forth happens several times, culminating around 30 minutes when Hangman wants the Buckshot, Dragon bails out, and then goes to the posting spot. He's angrier now and knows he needs more after leaving himself open to his opponent's finish. Masterful stuff.

It wasn't quite as tight in the back half, though. There were a couple times where Dragon was obviously leading, like when he had to roll Page over to the ropes so he could break the triangle.

[Shartnado]

On 12/17/2021 at 9:54 PM, BobbyWhioux said:

Tying 

Your

Hair

Back. 

 

 

My wife was wondering this same thing this one time she saw women wrestle on NXT. "How come none of them have their hair tied back? Seems very inconvenient to me!"