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1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Was Everyone aware of John Wayne and Eastwood 1973?  What POS's they are/were....    

One of many reasons I've never thought much of either "ICON".

What Wayne attempted was much worse, IMO.

Eastwood has always been a mouth runner.

Hard to believe that was still the sentiment of so many in 1973.

Littlefeather's speech can be found on YT and the mix of boos and cheers is unnerving.

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On 3/28/2022 at 12:42 PM, Craig H said:

Chris Rock doesn't write his material for his own stand ups

Wait what? Really? 

Anyway I don't give a fuck about any of this and just want to say that if I am forced to choose between the guy behind Good Hair and that killer list of great hip hop albums and the guy that made a career out of bland horseshit I'm choosing the first guy. 

 

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On 3/28/2022 at 1:42 PM, Craig H said:

This was honestly the first I ever heard about Jada Smith having alopecia. Wouldn't it be in the realm of possibility that whoever wrote the joke also didn't know since 1) Chris Rock doesn't write his material for his own stand ups, 2) He definitely didn't write the material on the teleprompter, and 3) he's just going off of whatever is on the teleprompter? 

People are bringing up Ricky Gervais who was literally in the process of drinking and going in on people saying wild shit. This wasn't exactly that. Rock is just up there doing the Ron Burgandy thing of reading whatever is presented to him. I don't think he was intentionally going in on Jada Smith having alopecia with the GI Jane joke, but I'm also the person who would prefer to give someone the benefit of the doubt as long as it makes sense. Not to mention, in terms of shit that has been said during awards shows, that was incredibly mild and lame to reference a movie from decades ago. Considering all of the dumb shit Jada Smith and Will Smith have said and done over the years and have been put on blast for, a GI Jane joke written by some dude working spots at the Icehouse or Comedy Store is going to be the thing that makes Will Smith get up and get into a physical altercation with someone on live TV?

I’d love to know more about Chris Rock not writing his own stand-up material?  Do you mean he collaborates with other comedy writers?  I saw him, somewhat awkwardly, working out material at the comedy cellar one night, so I’m interested to know more about where this info is coming from.  That said, certainly I could see the jokes alongside the presentation speeches being written, but is this a fact or speculation?

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33 minutes ago, J.H. said:

That is so fucking old school internet tho that it's awesome...it's like something out of the days of All Your Base Are Belong To Us and Mr. T Ate My Balls...or at the very least extremely early Newgrounds...

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12 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I’d love to know more about Chris Rock not writing his own stand-up material?  Do you mean he collaborates with other comedy writers?  I saw him, somewhat awkwardly, working out material at the comedy cellar one night, so I’m interested to know more about where this info is coming from.  That said, certainly I could see the jokes alongside the presentation speeches being written, but is this a fact or speculation?

Lots of performers will hire other comedians for jokes/bits/ideas.  I seem to remember hearing Rock working with a bunch of writers when he hosted the Oscars 6-7 years ago. Same concept as a writer's room, sure your joke is funny because you know the bit works, but changing a word or the cadence via feedback can sharpen a funny joke into something that's remembered for years after.   

That being said, the producers did say the GI Jane joke was not in his prepared remarks and was ad libbed. 

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Yeah I wasn't thinking about collaborations, I understand that. For some reason I was thinking of some Aerosmith situation where it's all ghostwritten. (If you didn't know most of their mindless annoying hits from after their reunion/sobering up came from, there you go. I hope you're not surprised by this)

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18 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Was Everyone aware of John Wayne and Eastwood 1973?  What POS's they are/were....    

I wasn't aware until now.  I knew Littlefeather had given her speech on behalf of Brando, wasn't aware of the antics from Wayne & Eastwood.  Gross.  

One thing that DOES highlight is just how much the Oscars dropped the ball this year.  In 1973, they had half a dozen security guards to restrain one of the biggest stars of all-time.  In 2022, they let a guy who actually DID commit battery stay in the venue and continue mingling.

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21 minutes ago, Tabe said:

I wasn't aware until now.  I knew Littlefeather had given her speech on behalf of Brando, wasn't aware of the antics from Wayne & Eastwood.  Gross.  

One thing that DOES highlight is just how much the Oscars dropped the ball this year.  In 1973, they had half a dozen security guards to restrain one of the biggest stars of all-time.  In 2022, they let a guy who actually DID commit battery stay in the venue and continue mingling.

I believe Brando gave the Academy a heads up on having Littlefeather refuse the award on his behalf, so they had ample time to prepare for The Duke or Chuck Heston storming the stage.

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For anyone unaware, I present the Wiki cut of the 1971 Playboy (ugh) interview with Wayne: 

Spoiler

In May 1971, Playboy magazine published an interview with Wayne, in which he expressed his support for the Vietnam War, and made headlines for his opinions about social issues and race relations in the United States:

"With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. ... I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from the Indians. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."

In the same Playboy interview, Wayne calls the two lead characters in Midnight Cowboy "fags" for the alleged "love of those two men". He also responded to questions about whether social programs were good for the country:

"I know all about that. In the late '20s, when I was a sophomore at USC, I was a socialist myself—but not when I left. The average college kid idealistically wishes everybody could have ice cream and cake for every meal, but as he gets older and gives more thought to his and his fellow man's responsibilities, he finds that it can't work out that way—that some people just won't carry their load ... I believe in welfare—a welfare work program. I don't think a fella should be able to sit on his backside and receive welfare. I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living. I'd like to know why they make excuses for cowards who spit in the faces of the police and then run behind the judicial sob sisters. I can't understand these people who carry placards to save the life of some criminal, yet have no thought for the innocent victim."

In February 2019, the Playboy interview resurfaced, which resulted in calls for John Wayne Airport to be renamed. John Wayne's son, Ethan, defended him, stating, "It would be an injustice to judge someone based on an interview that's being used out of context." The calls for changing the airport back to Orange County Airport were renewed during the George Floyd protests in June 2020.

Similarly, in October 2019, USC student activists called for the removal of an exhibit dedicated to the actor, citing the interview. In July 2020, it was announced that the exhibit would be removed.

In short, 

Spoiler

 

and let's not forget about Eastwood talking to an empty chair, either. 

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1 hour ago, Dolfan in NYC said:

Lots of performers will hire other comedians for jokes/bits/ideas.  I seem to remember hearing Rock working with a bunch of writers when he hosted the Oscars 6-7 years ago. Same concept as a writer's room, sure your joke is funny because you know the bit works, but changing a word or the cadence via feedback can sharpen a funny joke into something that's remembered for years after.   

That being said, the producers did say the GI Jane joke was not in his prepared remarks and was ad libbed. 

Hosting an event is without question.  As I said... 
 

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...I could see the jokes alongside the presentation speeches being written...

 

But I was responding to 'Chris Rock doesn't write his material for his own stand ups'; which I'm sure is partialy true, but also misleading.  Tho, maybe not?  I'd just like to know where that idea is coming from to post in this thread. 

As I mentioned, I saw him live working out new material and improvising, which led me to believe he's, generally speaking, a substantial part of the writing of at least most of his material.    

EDIT: from a lil googling around, he works with writers, no surprise, not uncommon, but nothing to indicate that he's ghostwritten, so to speak.  Sounds like it's much more Jon Moxley than Dean Ambrose, if you will.      

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2 hours ago, The Natural said:

 

There is a lot of righteous indignation coming from a lot of people who have been accused of much worse than one grown man slapping another grown man.  We really have taken this to a ridiculous point when people like Alec Baldwin and Jim Carrey are getting on TV and acting like they haven't been publicly accused of being extremely abusive to multiple people over the years.  Will Smith slapped one person in about 30 years of public life and he's somehow irredeemable.  People have bad moments, it doesn't necessarily make them bad people, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to people who have a pattern of abusive behavior get on a high horse about someone with one bad moment.  That's nonsense.   

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Just now, Kuetsar said:

That John Wayne interview is something. . . are we sure it was from 1971, not 1871? WOOF

I feel like the standing ovation for Roman Polansky is the worst moment, because that was almost everybody.  John Wayne was terrible, but at least some people cheered.

https://www.themarysue.com/no-will-smith-slap-was-not-oscars-ugliest-moment-ever/

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31 minutes ago, supremebve said:

I feel like the standing ovation for Roman Polansky is the worst moment, because that was almost everybody.  John Wayne was terrible, but at least some people cheered.

https://www.themarysue.com/no-will-smith-slap-was-not-oscars-ugliest-moment-ever/

What's infuriating about the Polansky thing is the same people who used the excuse of "separating the art from the artist" to justify the standing ovation, sat on their hands when Elia Kazan got an honorary Oscar in 1998. 

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56 minutes ago, supremebve said:

I feel like the standing ovation for Roman Polansky is the worst moment, because that was almost everybody.  John Wayne was terrible, but at least some people cheered.

https://www.themarysue.com/no-will-smith-slap-was-not-oscars-ugliest-moment-ever/

Without a doubt, the Polanski award and ovation were the worst moment.  His behavior was known by every single person in that room.  They HONORED HIM ANYWAY.  And then everyone APPLAUDED ANYWAY.  

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1 hour ago, HarryArchieGus said:

Hosting an event is without question.  As I said... 
 

But I was responding to 'Chris Rock doesn't write his material for his own stand ups'; which I'm sure is partialy true, but also misleading.  Tho, maybe not?  I'd just like to know where that idea is coming from to post in this thread. 

As I mentioned, I saw him live working out new material and improvising, which led me to believe he's, generally speaking, a substantial part of the writing of at least most of his material.    

EDIT: from a lil googling around, he works with writers, no surprise, not uncommon, but nothing to indicate that he's ghostwritten, so to speak.  Sounds like it's much more Jon Moxley than Dean Ambrose, if you will.      

I'm not digging up all of the quotes of evidence for it because it's way too time consuming, but at least leading up to Tambourine, he had a team of writers writing jokes for him. That doesn't mean he didn't have any input, but he does at least have a staff of writers that write for him. Neal Brennan specifically talked about this on more than one occasion and also spoke about how he specifically was part of that writing staff. Neal and Rock are pretty tight so there's no reason for Neal to even lie about this and Rock never once refuted anything Neal talked about. The gist is, Rock is incredibly busy and doesn't have time to be writing all of his own shit. He's also rich AF and can afford to have a staff of writers.

This isn't an unheard of thing with huge folks like Rock. I can't remember the names of others, but there's more than what you think that have a writing staff working on material for them. For whatever reason, Ellen comes to mind. 

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4 minutes ago, Tabe said:

Without a doubt, the Polanski award and ovation were the worst moment.  His behavior was known by every single person in that room.  They HONORED HIM ANYWAY.  And then everyone APPLAUDED ANYWAY.  

People IN THAT ROOM still work with Woody Allen. Hardly anyone spoke up about Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby, until it was public knowledge.

Amy Schumer is on some bullshit right now on Instagram, too. What do you have to be triggered by? Your friend mocked Will Smith's wife's medical condition in front of her peers and like 16 million people watching live. Why does she get to make a throwaway comment about there being "pain inside of Will"? The narrative is already online, but I feel it moving further away from "Chris Rock joked about Jada's condition" to "Will Smith is an angry black man who has repressed rage about Jada cheating".

3 minutes ago, MADCAP said:

I wonder how Will would’ve reacted to Corey Holcolmb or TK Kirkland making that joke?

Not trying to single you out, but this is also a bullshit narrative I've seen online, too. Yeah, they're bigger, I bet Will Smith would have just taken it? His wife was mocked on global television, I don't care if it was Francis Ngannou up there.

That joke was low hanging fruit, and Chris Rock decided to fuck around. And then he found out.

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