BobbyWhioux Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 don't forget Jade Cargill breaking her neck with a Tombstone in 1974 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhock Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I'm not much of a Riho fan, but if she started leaning heavily into Hogan-esque cosplay and match structure, Riho-ing Up out of finishers and then crushing opponents' faces with a top-rope leg drop, I wouldn't object! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) One aspect of the layout of that match that I really liked was Riho's dragon suplex. She went for it once and Hayter powered out. The second try, she hit it after dodging a turnbuckle move, so she had Hayter stunned. Even then, she didn't get her fingers locked. That shit was perfect. I don't see anyone here bitching about Darby Allin beating guys twice his size regularly and his offense is very similar to Riho's -- just throw your tiny body at them over and over. Edited December 10, 2021 by Technico Support 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Technico Support said: One aspect of the layout of that match that I really liked was Riho's dragon suplex. She went for it once and Hayter powered out. They second time, she hit it after dodging a turnbuckle move, so she had Hayter stunned. Even then, she didn't get her fingers locked. That shit was perfect. That's the house style. I haven't watched a lot of WWE the last 2-3 years. Is that the house style there too? I know it's something a guy like Cesaro works into his matches a lot but I'm not sure if multiple tries/entry points is such a thing over there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Technico Support said: I don't see anyone here bitching about Darby Allin beating guys twice his size regularly and his offense is very similar to Riho's -- just throw your tiny body at them over and over. It's the Cornette Effect. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Matt D said: It's wrestling, so you can't do math. You get weirdo equations that factor in things like "pro wrestling acumen" and "fighting spirit." At the end of the day, Riho hit hard and effectively from believable angles and survived a shit ton of stuff because she is incredibly resilient. She wasn't exactly Hurricane Helms choke-slamming Hayter here. Wrasslin' math and MMAth are about as theoretical as it gets. For every solid thing you throw into the equation like height, agility, strength and size, you have supermassive black hole shit like the "experience edge" , "momentum," and "the will to fight" that fucks up the physics. 47 minutes ago, Technico Support said: I don't see anyone here bitching about Darby Allin beating guys twice his size regularly and his offense is very similar to Riho's -- just throw your tiny body at them over and over. The Grand Applied Face Paint Theory aka The Road Warrior Effect clearly states the belief that face paint magnifies fighting spirit by a magnitude of three. This is, of course, hypothetical. There is a similar theory involving the wearing of masks, I think. Wearing face paint under a mask may be the pro wrestling equivalent of dividing by zero. Edited December 10, 2021 by J.T. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 MMA has done far, far more harm than good to pro wrestling. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Matt D said: MMA has done far, far more harm than good to pro wrestling. It used to help pro wrestling when it would get over a submission or finisher. I think the last one was the Shining Wizard. So yes, you are correct. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarrie Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 5 hours ago, J.T. said: The Grand Applied Face Paint Theory aka The Road Warrior Effect clearly states the belief that face paint magnifies fighting spirit by a magnitude of three. But Darby only paints half his face, so for him it should only double. But empirically his fighting spirit appears to be off the charts! Clearly more research is needed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Technico Support said: I don't see anyone here bitching about Darby Allin beating guys twice his size regularly and his offense is very similar to Riho's -- just throw your tiny body at them over and over. I've mentioned that misogyny often plays a role in why people hold women to higher or more unrealistic standards in the past, and gotten yelled at about it being a catch-all before, so I'd just like to point out that Riho's offense being called unrealistic while Darby Allin's being acceptable is... ... well... ... misogyny. Edited December 10, 2021 by Stefanie the Human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 To be fair, Darby mostly relies on speed and pure recklessness for his offense. He's a good technical wrestler too, but he's maybe the fastest guy I've seen in the ring and he uses his own body as a weapon. I don't really recall Riho doing the same stuff. If you were to assign a special attribute to what makes Riho work, it's not that she wrestles like Darby, it's that she has more heart than anyone else in the division. That's what I liked about her so much in her matches against Nyla and others. I don't see why it's now an issue with Riho after that match against Hayter and it wasn't against Nyla Rose. I hesitate to say that's misogyny. Well, maybe it is, but it's the same dumb size argument that's persisted for way too fucking long. I still remember people saying Brock vs Punk or Bryan wouldn't be good because of the size difference, which is ridiculous. If you're a good worker you can, well, make anything work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) Oh, people yelled themselves hoarse about Riho fighting Rose, too. Edited December 11, 2021 by Dog 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 The comment sections on AEWs social for women's matches and the division are.... revealing about a lot of those fans. Aaaaaaaaand of course people are always totally civil about Nyla 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, tbarrie said: But Darby only paints half his face, so for him it should only double. But empirically his fighting spirit appears to be off the charts! Clearly more research is needed. We will publish our findings in the Rev. Ray Duffy Big Book of Wrestling. Edited December 11, 2021 by J.T. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebreaker Chip Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 They seemingly have like a dozen people on the roster who can hit picture-perfect brainbusters on the regular, can at least one of them just use it as a dang finish already 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Riho's twitter feed is great. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Firebreaker Chip said: They seemingly have like a dozen people on the roster who can hit picture-perfect brainbusters on the regular, can at least one of them just use it as a dang finish already Once that happens, everyone else should do it less though… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Pac should absolutely finish people with the top rope version. Not in every match but every time he hits it it should be over. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 PAC's top rope brainbuster should absolutely have a 90% CRITICAL rate. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eikerir Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Firebreaker Chip said: They seemingly have like a dozen people on the roster who can hit picture-perfect brainbusters on the regular, can at least one of them just use it as a dang finish already It kinda is Dax’s finisher, I’m sure he’s ended a few tag/singles matches with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, eikerir said: It kinda is Dax’s finisher, I’m sure he’s ended a few tag/singles matches with it. Don't know for sure about tags, but Dawson hasn't won a singles match since 2018 and it wasn't with a brainbuster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Last time I remember it being a finish was the match with Santana and Ortiz where Cash got injured. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Perhaps the brainbuster and the top rope brainbustahhhhh as finishes are being saved for El Generico becoming All Elite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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