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I haven’t/can’t read the article but it *seems* like SRS is reporting that the finish of FTR/Luchas may have gotten screwed up due to Dax getting injured, and FTR wasn’t happy about it.

Would explain why Dax wasn’t present for the FTR run-in during the Cody match.

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14 minutes ago, EVA said:

I haven’t/can’t read the article but it *seems* like SRS is reporting that the finish of FTR/Luchas may have gotten screwed up due to Dax getting injured, and FTR wasn’t happy about it.

Would explain why Dax wasn’t present for the FTR run-in during the Cody match.

The report I saw earlier today said Fenix hit him with a shot that knocked him out about 10 minutes in and he was out of it from that point on (he was supposed to be more involved in the finish to make it more clear) and that there was some heat of Fenix for not checking up on him.

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Craig H

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40 minutes ago, EVA said:

I haven’t/can’t read the article but it *seems* like SRS is reporting that the finish of FTR/Luchas may have gotten screwed up due to Dax getting injured, and FTR wasn’t happy about it.

Would explain why Dax wasn’t present for the FTR run-in during the Cody match.

In the scrum TK said that Dax got knocked loopy during the match, couldn't continue, and that's why they did that finish 

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14 minutes ago, Tromatagon said:

Hey so why aren't more people shitting on them hiring Jay Lethal?

This is just going to lead to Marty next since his girlfriend already works for the company.

 

 

Myself and @Jiji thoroughly shit on that signing, and specifically called out the fact that Marty might be next eventually after enough time has passed.

Then all anyone took away from my rant about it was that Hangman being a Bernie supporter isn't good because lol bernie bros and something about David Starr ?

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Craig H

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17 minutes ago, Tromatagon said:

Hey so why aren't more people shitting on them hiring Jay Lethal?

This is just going to lead to Marty next since his girlfriend already works for the company.

 

 

We did. Pages back. I also doubt they hire Marty. Marty will always be way too radioactive until he owns up to being a creep and makes amends with those girls and their families. 

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13 minutes ago, Craig H said:

We did. Pages back. I also doubt they hire Marty. Marty will always be way too radioactive until he owns up to being a creep and makes amends with those girls and their families. 

I don't know man, Lethal is named in a lawsuit by Kelly Klein. Unless that got solved in the past few months, he SHOULD be radioactive since he's lumped into a lawsuit about harassment, breach of contract, royalties, violation of state/federal equal pay, discrimination and unsafe work environments.

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54 minutes ago, Casey said:

I don't know man, Lethal is named in a lawsuit by Kelly Klein. Unless that got solved in the past few months, he SHOULD be radioactive since he's lumped into a lawsuit about harassment, breach of contract, royalties, violation of state/federal equal pay, discrimination and unsafe work environments.

Well that seems like a lot.

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2 minutes ago, Casey said:

Yes, an indie funded by a multibillion dollar company.

I'm pretty sure I remember your takes on all of the Kelly Klein stuff when it happened, and they remain horrible takes.

??? I don’t know who any of these people are

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7 minutes ago, Casey said:

If it wasn't you, I apologize, but I thought I remember you having some weird opinions on Kelly Klein's claims of equal pay for women wrestlers compared to the men.

Wrong fella. I probably had my hands full predicting Rhodes & Jericho to be malign Trojan horses against the long term betterment of AEW or something at the time.

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9 hours ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:

yeah, that was a total brainfart on my part, lol.  He's been seen on TV a bunch and used in a few angles.  But he's another refugee from WWE

Lynn was an agent for Impact, ROH, and now AEW, but never was in WWE. His only WWE run was his brief stint in 2001.

As for the agents that are there, I think most of them have been mentioned except for the recently brought on Shawn Daivari, Adam Pearce, and of course Michael Hayes is still there, he's been helping train Petey for the role.

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Just had the chance to catch up on this last night. Just skimmed this thread so I’ll probably repeat some talking points. Good show, if a little long. Four hours is just a bit too much for me. I think you could stand to trim a few minutes from multiple matches (and they’d probably be better for it). Mix up the pacing/match structures a bit (if everything is an epic then nothing is epic). And I’d have cut the Cody match from this.

Darby/MJF - I really liked this. The big stuff all looked good as you expect from Darby, and there was some really well done counters. I think it made sense that it was worked fairly straight, rather than hate-filled as MJF thought he had a better chance in a straight wrestling match, and Darby was defiant that he wouldn’t let MJF break him mentally and would stick to his usual style (luckily Darby’s usual style is pretty aggressive anyway so there was still enough hate in it). I think this put over that MJF is actually a pretty good wrestler, but maybe a step behind Darby, and it’s his general dickishness (mind games, willingness to cheat) added onto his wrestling skills that make him dangerous. If I was to fault this, I’d say the sequencing towards the end felt a bit-off, having the slightly goofy pin exchange after the big tombstone spot didn’t really work for me.

Wasn’t really into the tag title match. I was only half paying attention to the first few minutes so maybe I missed something, but it just felt like there was no structure - no obvious heat segment and no particular story to get into. Plenty of good looking stuff, but it just seemed like one long finishing stretch. It was more FTR plugged into a Lucha Bros match, and I think the opposite would be a lot better.

Miro/Danielson - really good, in hindsight it probably worked that the finish was so sloppy looking, sold the danger of what Danielson was doing. Miro is probably the best vulnerable monster around currently and Danielson kind of has the opposite thing going where he’s sort of naturally vulnerable as a smaller guy, but he comes across as a killer and a realistic threat no matter the opponent.

Street fight was good fun mostly, maybe could have been a bit shorter, but good finish, and they used plenty of breakups rather than kick outs off big spots. It didn’t particularly bother me here, but it struck me in the MJF match that he’s a much more interesting version of Cole. I’d say the characters/wrestlers are ballpark similar (sleazebag heel, who’s solid-good but no obvious standout skills), but MJF just projects his character into his work much better. Cole will bump big and take a beating, as he demonstrated here, but I find that he generally works far too evenly for a cowardly heel. One example I’ve noticed is his reliance on ‘you charge at me and I’ll kick you’ as his go-to cut off. I think he did that 3 times in this match. It’s just totally uninteresting. Cheat, be more of a dick. 

Cody tag was solid enough, using the reluctant partners thing to add a bit story, but I just didn’t care. What were the stakes here? Why should I care if PAC and Cody can get along? Neither are particularly likeable ATM. It felt like it was building to an angle, which didn’t happen. Could have done this on TV. And what was with that weird post-match attack of Cash getting in like 2 shots? I do think there’s interesting things you can do with Cody as heel who thinks he’s a face, but this isn’t it. It feels like it’s in limbo ATM, it needs to be better defined. I don’t think any of the other guys benefited from being involved in this. There’s a larger narrative being told with Cody but it almost seems independent of who he’s actually in there with. 

Womens title was a match. I think the thing about Conti being hugely improved/WWE dropping the ball on her has been overstated. I like when she leans into the more unique looking judo throw stuff, but still a way to go to put it all together. Her shocked face after every kick out throughout the match was pretty annoying (as an aside, that should mainly be a heel trait to sell the toughness of the face, not the opposite). And that’s kinda my main criticism of Baker, similar to Cole and in spite of her cheating, she works too strong for a coward heel. She kicked out of both of Conti’s finishers here, plus the new potential finish of the Gotch piledriver (making it feel a bit anti-climactic straight off). 

Punk/Kingston was a just a really good fight. This was relatively short but was totally satisfying for what it was trying to do. Selling by both was great and the exhaustion felt much more earned here, despite the comparative shortness. Guerrero spot felt a bit misplaced, but the Cena spot was a great fuck you. Like Punk has earned the right to do that cos, unlike Kingston, he made it and fought stars like Cena. 

I didn’t actually realise until this started, but having two multi-man street fights was a bit of a daft decision. Working the first 5-10 of this as a straight tag was equally strange, I’d have preferred if they just kept the tag format for this, even if they allowed weapons. Some ok stuff, but a bit of a mess and not as fun as the earlier street fight. I’ve little interest in Jericho and crew currently, the younger Inner Circle guys really need to get away from it.

Main was good, I think I’d rate the opener, Punk, and Danielson matches higher though. I was a bit tired at this point so I was maybe a bit less invested. I just hope (and assume) the Bucks bit is leading to a splintering of The Elite rather than a face turn for them.

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