The Natural Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 11 hours ago, jstout said: I haven't checked yet, but Shop AEW and Pro Wrestling Tees better be selling a version of Danielson's plain white T from Sunday night. This is also brilliant: 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, L_W_P said: 28 pages... When was the last time a WWE thread was this long? As far as individual shows - WrestleMania 2019 is the only PPV that's gotten just as many pages, or more, since AEW started. The only other thread in the same timeframe (2019 to now) to get as many or more is the draft thread. Edited September 7, 2021 by Casey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I am sure that this has mentioned in the last 20 some pages but a few other things: 1. For people that was worried that Orange Cassidy was going down on the card he was very important to this PPV. On the pre-show it sure did seem like they were building toward a hair vs hair match with Orange vs Jack Evans or maybe Matt Hardy. Then in the women's title match one of the biggest stories was how animated Orange was toward Kris. When he screamed at her to get up everyone around me were like "holy shit what is this". They have already build something with Kris and Orange even on the indies so hopefully they do it on AEW as well 2. Love Chavo doing the old southern "How did you know there was 4 flat tires" in trying to explain why PAC wasn't there. Was a little ignored overall. I wonder if Andrade will eventually beat up Chavo for sticking his nose into business. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeCristyV.1.6 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 It wasn't ignored. It just wasn't very well delivered. Also: Understanding Andrade without subtitles is really hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) Also good to see that Creed can still find work doing Paul Wight's new entrance music. i don't think it took a whole lot to "snipe" Zelina by the way Edited September 7, 2021 by hammerva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eikerir Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, MoeCristyV.1.6 said: It wasn't ignored. It just wasn't very well delivered. Also: Understanding Andrade without subtitles is really hard. His English is not bad but he’s very insecure with his delivery. Im Spanish but live in the UK with my family and my parents are the same, they know how to speak but don’t articulate enough or just kinda say everything under their breath so it’s hard to understand. 57 minutes ago, L_W_P said: 28 pages... When was the last time a WWE thread was this long? I'd love to know how many WWE PPV threads we'd need to add up to get the same number of posts. Massive credit to AEW again for nailing this show. After Punks Rampage debut I worked out that you needed the threads for 5 weeks of Raw and Smackdown plus the Summerslam one just to equal the one Rampage episode, and that was only about 15 pages at the time. Edited September 7, 2021 by eikerir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, hammerva said: Also good to see that Creed can still find work doing Paul Wight's new entrance music. i don't think it took a whole lot to "snipe" Zelina by the way Well they hired her back telling her she would be on the same show as her husband, and then swiftly released her husband, so maybe snipe is in the right word... Conned? Bamboozled? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 The GOAT speaks. NSFW. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, L_W_P said: Apologies if I've offended or misused the word 'snipe' here. I was meaning it in the term of a 'last minute bid or pitch'. There were reports of her signing in May. Black was released in June. If any more time had been given to her decision I'm not sure she would have gone back. She definitely wouldn't. Black talked about it with Renee or Jericho I think that he wasn't exactly happy in WWE, but it was cool that he would still get to be with his wife and she was happy to be with him. Then he got released and they were both pretty devastated for a little bit until he was like, no, we're going to be ok, this is good. Even still, there is definite saltiness there with luring her in and then releasing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Accidently posted my thoughts in the AEW Sep thread so here they are here as well. This was the first live wrestling I've watched in a really long time and the first full non-NJPW show I've watched in 3 years and it was really so close to a perfect show. I'm really happy I made the choice to watch it and to do so live. AEW really made me a true fan of their product even before the end with Danielson's debut. The feel of the show was both fresh and familiar and it really felt like a return to big time US Pro-Wrestling (which AEW has probably been doing for a while but they knocked this out of the park when they knew there was going to be eyes on them). I loved Miro-Kingston was a little unsure about the finish because it almost put the heat on the ref instead of Miro but I think they avoided that. It was such a nice hard-nosed slugfest. I hope that Eddie gets a rematch in NYC and wins the belt, I would love to see him get a big TV moment in his career. Mox/Kojima was solid and I liked it, they worked well for their spot on the card too. Loved the surprise at the end with Suzuki showing up and the crowd singing along. I loved that a big US promotion PPV had the fans singing Kaze Ni Nare. AEW acknowledging and working with other promotions is really such a breath of fresh air and making other promotions being kayfabe on a similar level to them is really smart and works well in todays entertainment environment. They understand that most things are niche now, fans have a wide knowledge of the things they follow and dig deep and AEW leans into and that is smart. Women's Title match may have been my match of the night, it wasn't perfect but they worked smart and at a good pace. Thought Statlander came out looking strong in defeat which can be tricky as a face when dealing with losing by submission to a character like Baker who is so over as a heel/tweener that the crowd loves her. The moment of emotion by Cassidy worked to strengthen the bond between Kris and Orange to the fans also. The cage match was a spectacle and was really fun but I thought it was a little too over the top with stuff. I can see why people loved it and see it as a MOTYC but it drifted a bit into usual Bucks overkill for me but nicely they went with violence rather than flippy overkill. I enjoyed it and it's one of my favorite Bucks matches now and I loved the whole presentation of the Lucha Brothers and really liked the celebration at the end. Penta and Fenix where made true stars that night and my hats off to them and the Bucks for putting on the match that most new viewers will have engrained in their minds. Casino battle royals are kind of a clunky format but that format did lend itself to allow for a quicker way to get a lot of people on the card and a chance to show a bit to the crowd. It was really hurt by the fact that only Rosa and Soho felt like possible winners and the emotion on Soho's face when winning was so genuine and real that it was another moment that was great. MJF/Jericho as good, I've been rather down on Jericho for a few years and am not a huge MJF fan either but they did pretty good, some rough spots in there but they worked a good match that was a bit booked into a corner about what to do. In most cases I think you'd want MJF the young heel to go over the aging legend and end the fued on top(I know he had already tapped Jericho out and was a victim of his own hubris to take this match) to help boost him up but with the retirement stip Jericho had to win. I think they did a good job of making it so that MJF was his own undoing with the back damage he took from the powerbomb on the apron (which he put himself into position for) and his powerbomb off the top that he sold really well. CM Punk/Darby was the reason I was there and they did a really good match. I think Punk chose to work smart and a bit slow and didn't want to try to steal the show since he was coming back maybe a bit rusty, and that he seems to want to be in the role of helping boost the young stars up even when he's not on screen. I was surprised he didn't bust out the double arm back breaker just so the crowd could yell Welcome to Chicago Mother Fucker. Paul Wight looks a bit in bad shape mobility wise and with the amount of surgeries he's had he maybe should stay out of the ring, but as a cool down moment with some goofy heels it was a fine segment. Omega/Christian was great but it suffered from being at the end of an emotional show and not really having any suspense because Christian doesn't feel like the guy to un-thrown Omega as the AEW guy. The fake out with Cole was good and Danielson's debut was electric. I probably won't be watching their shows week-in and week-out but I'll very likely be watching Full Gear in November. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Ruby’s debut was hands down my favorite. She had no idea what kind of reaction she was going to get, and she is beaming. It made me think about how many people in WWE connect with the audience and never know it because the company’s disengagement from and contempt for its fans kills a lot of the positive feedback they’d get otherwise. It made me realize why I’d finally stopped paying attention to WWE entirely. I’d been conditioned to not invest emotionally in anything that I enjoyed because booking felt so arbitrary and sometimes malicious, while at the same time expected to have an emotional reaction to the stuff I hated so it would stoke online engagement. I had to be single for a while so that when AEW came into my life I’d be ready and able to understand what a healthy relationship looks like. I’m going to stop now before I drive this analogy farther off the rails. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eikerir Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, (BP) said: Ruby’s debut was hands down my favorite. She had no idea what kind of reaction she was going to get, and she is beaming. It made me think about how many people in WWE connect with the audience and never know it because the company’s disengagement from and contempt for its fans kills a lot of the positive feedback they’d get otherwise. It made me realize why I’d finally stopped paying attention to WWE entirely. I’d been conditioned to not invest emotionally in anything that I enjoyed because booking felt so arbitrary and sometimes malicious, while at the same time expected to have an emotional reaction to the stuff I hated so it would stoke online engagement. I had to be single for a while so that when AEW came into my life I’d be ready and able to understand what a healthy relationship looks like. I’m going to stop now before I drive this analogy farther off the rails. Her facial expressions were amazing, she was doing those movements with her mouth where she was trying NOT to smile and look cool but it was physically impossible to hide, it was precious. Edited September 7, 2021 by eikerir 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 My wife and I got very teary eyed for not only Ruby coming out, but winning the damn thing. I have a ton of pride for my hometown and the cool people that come from it. She's always making us proud. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 20 hours ago, AxB said: As far as Jungle Boy not knowing who Urkel was, Ethan Page was on his vlog saying he was in a car with Hook and Top Flight, and none of them recognised the name Al Bundy. Jungle Boy not understanding 80s and 90s references seems to become a running gag: 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Great Justice Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I don’t usually do all of the Extended Universe stuff but I just watched the entire media scrum and can’t recommend it enough. It’s infectious to see so many people so obviously happy. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I showed that Golden Girls clip to a friend obsessed with that show. To say she was delighted would be a huge understatement. I also remember sharing with her the time Christian did that backstage a month ago though don't believe JB was with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 So, I said earlier that I went into the show "spoiler-free" on Monday morning. That's not totally true. I accidentally opened Instagram to see a pic of Kenny and company with Adam Cole in the ring before I watched. So, I knew he debuted after the main. I was a little disappointed that it was him and not Danielson. So, I still got to have that surprise when I watched! 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I've decided to enlist a new "No Elite Wrestling" policy in that I skip anything involving Kenny, The Bucks and The Good Brothers. It makes the shows much better for me and fits my "I don't watch stuff I don't like" principles. Please respect my new religion. Eddie vs Miro was a nice slobber fight and did well setting the stage as Miro being an stoppable monster if you put the pieces puzzle pieces together correctly. Eddie is a great, great seller and manages to be simultaneously both sympathetic and intimidating. That's a notoriously hard line to walk. I would guess Mick Foley would be the closest but he tended to hop back and forth over the line easily rather than be on the line at the same time. I am ready for a rematch for this one. My one note would be that they put the heat on the referee at the end when Eddie got a visual three count but Bryce was distracted. We don't want to create a feeling that the faces have their greatest issues overcoming bad calls rather than overcoming bad people. Mox vs Kojima - This match featured very respectful but not particularly engaged fans who are willing to give AEW the benefit of the doubt in terms of giving Kojima a chance but not so well informed that they know him well enough to have automatic buy in. For example, you got a lot of chanting for Kojima but no one in the live audience bit on the hook that he has a super devastating lariat. They would have likely needed to put together packages earlier in order to establish Kojima and what he does more effectively. Susuki has a more interesting look and demeanor so he's more likely to catch on more quickly with less build. JR really hammered Susuki over and did a great job selling him. Excalibur seemed to be stepping on the moment more, he needs to be aware that it takes the sting out of surprises when he has his wrestling encyclopedia open to their page immediately and starts rattling off bullet points. Statlander vs Britt - This was well placed on the card, putting it before the top contender battle royal as it may have spoiled the winner of this match was a good idea (although I don't think the battle royal actually did that). I think AEW has now as a whole brought up a bad trope of people laying unmoving for 9 seconds to tease a count out before popping up to beat the count. It happened three times on this card and that's too many especially as AEW has never had a count out in a non elimination match that I can recall outside of a double count out during the Avalon-Cutler series. I found the finishing stretch where Britt put together a bunch of stomps (really effective ones), the sunrise, the curb stomp and the lock jaw to be effective even though I don't normally go in for multiple near falls going into a finish. Not sure exactly why, but this didn't feel as flat. Orange Cassidy firing up might have been better spent as something more impactful to really pay off. Battle Royal - The card suit thing is just a failed format at this point. It ruins the run in pop as they are stacked on top of each other. The card suit reveal is pointless as no one knows who is in what suit. It may be more impactful and give us some more television if they revealed the suits and ran something to determine the entrance order. Some of the action was really off putting like Riho's elimination that wasn't, Shida's obvious demotion and too many elimination chains where one person would eliminate someone and then get eliminated because they were looking outside the ring. There were nuggets of good ideas and Ruby Soho was over immediately but the meat wasn't there. Jericho vs MJF - One of Jericho's better recent showings where he stepped up his game. MJF's back selling was on point if a little too on the nose for the finish. They almost put the heat on the referees again here for the restart and I think it would work better if MJF did something shitty and got caught rather than the foot on the ropes deal. They need to separate these two finally and move them on to something else as it has worn out its welcome. I'm not sure where else either guy can go as AEW sometimes locks people into working only with certain people for extended periods and I'm not sure what else you can do with two 6 man factions (assuming they still exist). CM Punk vs Darby - Punk's slower style helped punctuate Darby's acceleration and CM really did capture a Bret Hart sense of veteran presence here. I'm not sure I would have had the first Go 2 Sleep send Darby out of the ring because its Punk's first match but it was such a great spot, I understand why they would have done it. Watching what I watched of this show, the typical AEW pace feels much slower and more my speed where it's not 100 mph and more palatable for me. Paul Wight vs QT - Breather match to give people a chance to catch up for the main event I didn't watch. Paul looked physically bad and the new gear didn't help. Not sure why you'd turn the Gunn Club on Wight last week and have them not show up for the PPV. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterien Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 The tag match was fucking incredible. A bit over spotfesty for my liking at times but overall just a great match. The eruption from the crowd after it seemed sure the Bucks would win right up until the end was something else. Imagine a WWE tag title match these days feeling THAT important, they’ve probably done it in the past with the old NXT or The Shield or now that I think of it the Usos/New Day but no way they could achieve anything like that the way the shows are booked now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeCristyV.1.6 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Funny thing is, that Hayter clearly gestures to the referees that Riho isn't eliminated, but the announcer already said she was. And then they silently let it slide. Riho was in there for seconds. Clearly they should know who stays in for how long? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, Goodear said: I've decided to enlist a new "No Elite Wrestling" policy in that I skip anything involving Kenny, The Bucks and The Good Brothers. It makes the shows much better for me and fits my "I don't watch stuff I don't like" principles. Please respect my new religion. I respect that and feel @just drewmight want to consider that as much as possible. I know it might be tough for watching the show as it airs but if things like that help one's overall enjoyment then go for it. I would at least recommend the entrance for Lucha Bros and I'm sure you know about the post-match after Kenny/Christian with the two debuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 The casino battle royale is just a flawed concept and I'm not sure what they could do to improve it other than just going with a normal Royal Rumble format or doing a typical Battle Royale. It got brought up on the Discord chat, but there's literally no point into making a big deal about what suit is coming out next because no one knows who has what suit. Ok, Clubs is first. Great. So who is a part of the Clubs group? Oh, it's these people. And all of it is just a waiting game to see who the Joker card is because that will be the most important person going in and the person most likely to win, except for Matt Sydal. I don't think anyone would miss the Casino Battle Royale if it went away. I get that it's a way to give as many people a payday as possible, but I think a gauntlet match would be better and then on the pre-show you do a big 8 or 10 man or woman tag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freudian_Slap Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 It might help if say the week before you do a draw where every wrestler finds out what suit they're in, that way it's a bit easier to know who's coming when the match is happening. Minus the Joker card obviously 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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