The Natural Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) ****1/2 stars for Blood & Guts from Dave Meltzer. Edited May 7, 2021 by The Natural 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 FWIW, I thought Darby's bump was much dumber than Jericho's. Although Alvarez says AEW just padded the set by shoving cardboard boxes under the spot, not an actual crash pad. Okayyyyyyyy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Bones Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Nah. I’ll still double down on the production side of AEW dropping the ball. It isn’t the first time. However, it’s not a deal breaker or anything. I still need AEW in my life as the antidote to how disappointed I’ve been with WWE. When Tony Khan says that first Revolution show is the best PPV ever. I’m not that inclined to argue the point. It’s a phenomenal show that sets a high water mark for what is still a young company. So yeah. They could be doing better. But I think I’ll also enjoy watching them learn. I wonder how the reaction to the Wargames with Brian Pillman would have been received in this day and time. My understanding is that SIDs powerbomb getting caught up on the roof was a botch (along with some audibly called spots). A botch that definitely worked in the context of the match. But one where somebody got hurt out of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 hours ago, The Natural said: Future of Blood & Guts: When the next one will be? Year's time perhaps? Where? TV to get a big rating again or PPV? The participants. The Elite? Dark Order? Nightmare Factory? Pinnacle? Inner Circle? A future stable? Something to see the Elite inside it as it's different from what we usually see them do. I see weapons usage again with the barbed wire on PPV. I do think they'll keep the action inside the box like structure next time. Least I hope so. Only two times I liked when action spilled outside a cage meant to keep the wrestlers in was WarGames 1992 with Sting/Madusa and Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker Hell in a Cell match at In Your House 18: Badd Blood 1997. For however much they spent on the cage they're definitely going to have another one. But if Jericho's interview is to be believed it's only going to be used when the feud calls for it. So with no need to have it every May or something just because I hope that we don't see it until late next year. I do hope they have it be an actual feud-ender next time as that match works when the faces overcome the heels and make them submit/surrender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Dearest wife, Its day three of the great crash pad war. I'm beginning to get weary. Water and sustainence are in short supply. The battlefield is littered with soldiers, some who died on the hill blaming production, others who died storming the command, their cries of "it was a bad finish!" piercing the night, like the blade I'd use to skin the chickens back at Paw Paw's farm. Next week's episode and the upcoming PPV shine in the distance as beacons of hope in the darkness; I simply pray I can hold on until then. Please tell the children I am thinking of them. 6 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Kenny is supposed to face I think Andrade for the AAA Mega title too right? He should lose all three titles and go nuts then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Technico Support Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I forgot to mention, props to Spears for shaving down that mohawk and dying it back to dark brown so he no longer looks like the frontman for a nu metal tribute band. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Gotta say I'm interested in where this feud goes from here, I'd love to see Sammy/Santana/Ortiz vs MJF/FTR at dynamite or DON before tranistioning into MJF vs Sammy and FTR vs Santana/Ortiz ' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 7 hours ago, The Natural said: ****1/2 stars for Blood & Guts from Dave Meltzer. but inquiring minds need to know....... (where?) does it place on YOUR list? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, A_K said: I haven’t seen Caster’s entrance - what was his line? I’m really surprised he hasn’t had more viral engagement - the guy is great. He’s one who will really lift off once crowds are back. "Varsity Blondes? You're a temporary thing. In 10 years you'll be on Dark Side of the Ring." Oh, and - QT vs Cody was the high point for the 35-49 female demo. but so was the Britt Baker squash and the Darby Allin/Page/Scorpio segment. DEMO GOD(s). Edited May 7, 2021 by Casey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) I'm on Discord right now. Hope it looks OK on you guys end. Edited May 8, 2021 by AxB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebreaker Chip Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Casey said: "Varsity Blondes? You're a temporary thing. In 10 years you'll be on Dark Side of the Ring." Oh, and - QT vs Cody was the high point for the 35-49 female demo. but so was the Britt Baker squash and the Darby Allin/Page/Scorpio segment. DEMO GOD(s). Ooof, downgrading that diss to "too much, man" after actually watching the dang episode of dark side of the ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_K Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Casey said: "Varsity Blondes? You're a temporary thing. In 10 years you'll be on Dark Side of the Ring." Oh, and - QT vs Cody was the high point for the 35-49 female demo. but so was the Britt Baker squash and the Darby Allin/Page/Scorpio segment. DEMO GOD(s). Thanks. Yeah saw he posted the clip on Twitter, so caught it there; he's definitely getting freedom to push the envelope more week by week. Speaking of which, Caster only has 12k followers, which surprises me given Acclaimed have had a lot of Dynamite exposure for the past 6-9 months. I mean for context, that's only very marginally more than someone like .. Luther. Weird. I'd have thought Caster would have resonated more, but perhaps he's just not for the core crowd. Edited May 8, 2021 by A_K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valcourt Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 YO! What a good show. Fantastic pro graps. Crash pad spot had ZERO impact, but we are past the Foley bump era. So good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, twiztor said: but inquiring minds need to know....... (where?) does it place on YOUR list? Thanks for asking, mate. 8-12 range. You? Edited May 8, 2021 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 55 minutes ago, The Natural said: Thanks for asking, mate. 8-12 range. You? off the cuff, i'd definitely put it in my top 5. Possibly as high as 3. would have to think it over for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Just now, twiztor said: off the cuff, i'd definitely put it in my top 5. Possibly as high as 3. would have to think it over for a while. Thank you. I'm going to think mine over as well I really enjoyed Blood & Guts but I can't see it getting higher than #8 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coletti Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Shit, I wouldn't wanna fall onto a king sized bed from that height and I'm way younger than Jericho... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Z Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 21 hours ago, The Natural said: Thanks for asking, mate. 8-12 range. You? I think the last few minutes of the match hurt its quality, though it advanced the storyline (and that was the one issue having this match at early point of this feud, and also why heels winning Blood and Guts is rarely the optimal outcome). It did not detract from the match quite to the level of the Exploding Barbed Wire match (where my big issue was the Good Brothers interference, less so the failed stunt after that), but would say that it knocked the match from the five-plus stars that is was tracking towards to what I'd argue is Meltzer's accurate star rating. I will say that AEW has been a touch off in booking finishes this year after basically a spot on 2020 in that regard (not necessarily the wrong guys winning, but struggling with smart, heel winning finishes after faces won most every big match last year save Brodie's TNT title win and FTR's tag title win). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Big Z said: I think the last few minutes of the match hurt its quality, though it advanced the storyline (and that was the one issue having this match at early point of this feud, and also why heels winning Blood and Guts is rarely the optimal outcome). It did not detract from the match quite to the level of the Exploding Barbed Wire match (where my big issue was the Good Brothers interference, less so the failed stunt after that), but would say that it knocked the match from the five-plus stars that is was tracking towards to what I'd argue is Meltzer's accurate star rating. I will say that AEW has been a touch off in booking finishes this year after basically a spot on 2020 in that regard (not necessarily the wrong guys winning, but struggling with smart, heel winning finishes after faces won most every big match last year save Brodie's TNT title win and FTR's tag title win). Yeah, there were things I liked about Blood & Guts: the violence, #FTR, Guevara, Santana and Ortiz. Things I didn't, escaping the cage. I rarely do when that happens. It's a hard match to rank for those reasons. Like you and Meltzer, I had the match at ****1/2. Edited May 9, 2021 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 What if they'd done the same set-up to the finish, only as soon as MJF had started yelling "I'll throw him off", Hager had put Spears back in the ankle lock and Spears tapped? The bell rings, Judas starts playing, Inner Circle are announced as the winners, and *then* MJF shoves Jericho? So the show ends with the commentators talking about winning the battle but losing the war et cetera? Also, watching it again without the breaks, it's really obvious how they didn't actually do much during the breaks. Jericho climbed the side of the ladder not so much in the style of a Wrestler 20 minutes into a ladder match, but more in the style of if he was bringing the Edge & Christian 30 second pose gimmick back. For each rung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiseReise Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I have only seen a Fancam version, but I really liked the match (aside from the introduction of chairs and the Spanish Fly Spot) until Jericho got in. Then it started to really drag, be bad and make less and less sense. The finish was pretty awful and Jericho should probably stop being a keyplayer in big matches. Still liked this better than the NXT version of WarGames I saw 2019, were Ciampa beat Cole in the end. Also, from that fans' perspective, it was really hard to tell why the bell rang. It could have easily been announced that "Sami Guevara has verbally submitted, therefore, your winners etc" which I didn't hear. I saw some spots in the TV version...the presentation on TV was really bad for some of the actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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