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On 11/2/2024 at 8:56 PM, Go2Sleep said:

Bobby Heenan was an overrated announcer. The partisan heel schtick was lame even as a kid, and while not as overtly gross as Lawler or Zbyszko, he had plenty of racist/sexist jokes that are cringe-inducing on re-watch. I'd even argue that while Lawler was overall worse, he could sell a big angle/moment a lot better. Heenan's best work was the early NWO era that forced him into being more of a tweener and Dusty being so wild that he had to be the straight man at times. I'm not really sure what he brought to the table except early childhood memories.

Counterpoint: Bobby Heenan might be the best all-around performer in wrestling history. Was great as a wrestler, as a manager and as an announcer. Did he fall off as an announcer near the end? Yes. But when he was on, he was goddamn on.

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I said as much in the Nitro rewatch thread on both issues. Re: Bobby Heenan all time great commentator especially in the 80's. But everything has a sell date and by 98/99 his Borst Belt comedian routine was starting to feel out of place.

Jarrett is great as an upper mid carder in the IC/US title scene but not someone who needs to be your ace

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Jarrett's rep got ruined because the most visible stretch of his career (woman beater IC champ -> "ace" of Dying WCW/Early TNA) was also his worst.

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my hot take:

Cody Rhodes has been boring forever and I would still rather see Dustin Rhodes wrestle even in his 50s. I remember when I first saw Cody, it was him vs Spears feud in OVW where I believe they even redid the Tommy Rich/Eddie Gilbert Memphis angle. I thought he was going to be amazing. By the time he joined Bullet Club and the Elite, he was just another indy guy doing moves like springboard rkos that require the wrestler to stupidly stand in place for 30 seconds waiting. Outside of him vs Dustin in AEW, I cant remember the last time I cared about a Cody match.

 

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Saying you'd rather see Dustin Rhodes wrestle than someone is the most in-line take a person can have here at DVDVR. It's as not-hot as the water in the Dungeon of Doom.

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Bobby was also totally burned out by WCW and was just in it for a paycheck. He HATED Schiavone too. Andre was dead, Gorilla wasn't there, he was just another spoke in the broken wheel of Turner. It stopped being fun. Plus you have his neck surgery and fucking Pillman yanking on him without warning. 

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This will be very unpopular: I prefer Cesaro WWE to Claudio Castagnoli in AEW and when he was an independent wrestler.

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On 11/2/2024 at 4:30 AM, just drew said:

Thx for reviving this thread, bc the South has somethin' to say. And by the South, I mean your boy.

Adam Cole is 100% a product of hype surrounding nXt black and gold circa 2017. Beneath the dope-ass entrance music and promotors insisting he's something special... he's nothing special. In fact, he fucking sucks. Other than Bobby Fish, he's the least talented UE alum. There is nothing special about him other than a certain small, vocal segment of wrasslin' internet insisting that he is, in fact, special.

More hot takes, because Drew is 9 White Claws in and this is the first night this week I haven't had candy related festivities with Little Drew;

Fuck the Young Bucks. There has never been a single bit of data to suggest that they have a positive impact on AEW's ratings. They're vanity workers to the most extreme, detrimental degree. They've never made anyone's television better, and often make it actively worse with their bullshit takes to the camera and refusal to sell. Their insistence on being dominant alongside Kenny Omega cost us an S&O title reign, which in and of itself should be enough to have them banished from tv screens.

Triple H isn't a better booker than Vince. The mid-card is still shit and the tag division might be actively worse than it was before the TKO merger. The PR  division of WWE has been working overtime to convince the public that it's a new era, and they're doing an excellent job with that. Also, the women's division on the main roster is dogshit, and that's directly on Hunter. Fuck him.

Fuck Adam Cole. He's a shitty worker and a completely unimaginative promo.

Jon Moxley is by far the most compelling former Shield member. Seth Rollins is completely devoid of "interesting" and Roman Reigns, while a great WWE style worker, can't even get close to Mox on the mic. Also; Triple H is a fucking idiot for thinking Rollins was more qualified to build around than Mox. Fuck that dummy. HHH. Not Mox.

nXt isn't special. Oba Femi is. That guy has a golden ticket. Everyone else is average as fuck. 

AEW should take a flier on TAFKA Enzo Amore. He's 100% "entertainment" and they could use a guy like that. AEW has 125 Tarzans. They could use a Jane.

Mercedes Mone is almost entirely a media creation. She isn't a good wrestler.

 

Agree with you on Adam Cole and The Young Bucks. Disagree on the rest. Least we have the former!

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4 hours ago, The Natural said:

This will be very unpopular: I prefer Cesaro WWE to Claudio Castagnoli in AEW and when he was an independent wrestler.

I gotta disagree with this. I prefer AEW Claudio and indy Claudio, both as a singles wrestler and teaming with Chris Hero. 

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If Adam Cole's popularity is based solely on his 2017 in NXT, why was he the first ever three-time ROH World Champion? Why was he the longest reigning PWG World Champion? 

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2 hours ago, AxB said:

If Adam Cole's popularity is based solely on his 2017 in NXT, why was he the first ever three-time ROH World Champion? Why was he the longest reigning PWG World Champion? 

DX were always an absolute channel changer for me, couldn't stand the whole concept - cringy, corny, dumb, offensive, etc., but I'd never conflate my personal dislike with a fictional overall narrative that they weren't over and nobody else liked them. 

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10 hours ago, The Natural said:

This will be very unpopular: I prefer Cesaro WWE to Claudio Castagnoli in AEW and when he was an independent wrestler.

I have a slightly different, possibly hotter take: WWE possibly pushed Claudio/Cesaro to the correct level more than most other places he worked. Cesaro in The Bar with Sheamus is probably the most ideal spot for him with the possible exception of parts of his Kings of Wrestling run.

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17 minutes ago, username said:

I have a slightly different, possibly hotter take: WWE possibly pushed Claudio/Cesaro to the correct level more than most other places he worked. Cesaro in The Bar with Sheamus is probably the most ideal spot for him with the possible exception of parts of his Kings of Wrestling run.

My problem with The Bar is that Claudio was the job guy of the team. In no way, shape or form will anyone ever convince me that Sheamus is better than Claudio. 

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5 hours ago, AxB said:

If Adam Cole's popularity is based solely on his 2017 in NXT, why was he the first ever three-time ROH World Champion? Why was he the longest reigning PWG World Champion? 

I'm pretty neutral on Adam Cole, but it sure is fun to yell "ADAM COLE BAY-BAY". Everyone loves a good catchphrase. 

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6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I'm pretty neutral on Adam Cole, but it sure is fun to yell "ADAM COLE BAY-BAY". Everyone loves a good catchphrase. 

Yep. In many ways, he's Road Dogg 2024.

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23 minutes ago, tbarrie said:

Yep. In many ways, he's Road Dogg 2024.

I'd say he's a better wrestler than the D-O-Double G. 

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He’d be the six best Armstrong at best, and behind Smothers and maybe behind Tim Horner. 

14 minutes ago, tbarrie said:

Yep. In many ways, he's Road Dogg 2024.0

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Idk if this is a hot take, but WWE developmental talent should have an NXT version of UpUpDownDown. Even if it isn’t for public consumption. It inadvertently was a great way to see the personalities of talent that struggled with charisma or were somewhat one dimensional on WWE tv. Video game fun is a way to get people’s guard down while having fun in a still competitive environment. 

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14 hours ago, AxB said:

If Adam Cole's popularity is based solely on his 2017 in NXT, why was he the first ever three-time ROH World Champion? Why was he the longest reigning PWG World Champion? 

Because those companies were run by the same kind of werkrate markz that Triple H was booking nxt to?

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9 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I'd say he's a better wrestler than the D-O-Double G. 

From a mechanical standpoint, Cole is definitely better than Road Dogg. I'd say the Dogg had more charisma. I don't recall either of them being particularly gifted in-ring storytellers, though. (But I did like Adam Cole's match against Buddy Matthews that everybody else seemed to hate.)

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I find, for better or worse, Cole to be a messy mosaic of modern wrestling. He’s so captivating as an arrogant dirtbag heel, still extremely likable as a presence, has an underdog body, wrestles like a dynamic HBK, has arguably dumb moves, is both a representative of an Indy darling while still being a representative of WWE/NXT style, was part of one of AEW’s best storyline that became one of the dumbest, a merch mover with a dedicated fan base, maybe not a needlemover (I’ve seen contradicting things so I’m just filling space here and hopefully don’t get passionately yelled at), etc. Cole is a fascinating contradiction all the way to his core. 

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