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There's a difference between "sign a guy just because he was in WWE regardless of what value he has" and "sign a guy who is incredibly talented who just happened to be in the WWE (and who may have been under/misused)". The former gets you a WCW/TNA situation with guys who have some name recognition but bring nothing to the table in terms of in ring ability, which leads to more talented and underutilized people not being showcased to their full potential. The latter gets you people like FTR, Miro, and Moxley getting to refresh their characters and work on the level they have the ability to.

I like Andrade and would love to see him in AEW, however there's a good chance he just gets lost in the shuffle. Not to mention they've already got a lot of good people they aren't doing much with. ROH had gotten really stale for me so I quit keeping up with it after covid hit. In the past few weeks I've been giving it another try and the lack of an audience really puts a damper on it. The roster and matches were pretty solid though. It wouldn't be a bad place for him to go once fans are allowed back in, especially if he can work at the top of the card and gets a chance to go to Japan. Let him do that for a while, get his status back up, then see if there's a spot in AEW for him.

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The shit he did with Rey Mysterio, especially the ladder match, was in the ballpark. It might've been as good as the Gargano match if given the same amount of time...

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8 minutes ago, Happ Hazzard said:

Just because people know it's fake, doesn't mean it doesn't have to make sense.

I mean, if onscreen credibility is an issue...

The other guy is headlining WrestleMania 37 for the WWE Championship.

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It's long been established that Fowler doesn't like him back to his La Sombra days (which is his prerogative). Why everyone is arguing with him, I don't know. ?

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Just now, TheVileOne said:

I've enjoyed chatting with Fowler. I don't agree with him 100%, but I don't think he's being massively unreasonable.

No, his opinion. People trying to convince him otherwise is the aggravating part. ?

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1 minute ago, odessasteps said:

It's long been established that Fowler doesn't like him back to his La Sombra days (which is his prerogative). Why everyone is arguing with him, I don't know. ?

I mean, who does that? Just fixating on a wrestler you don't like and argue ad nauseum  with people who think that wrestler is great? I could never....

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Re: how AEW has booked the Lucha Bros

You have to keep in mind that they missed a lot of time between the pandemic and injuries.  Pentagon missed like 6 months in the past year.  Fenix was around more after the initial lockdown, but also kept getting hurt after that.  Tough to book anything significant for guys if they’re not around.  
 

I think what you’ve seen for the past however many months since PAC came back is closer to the original idea of how the Death Triangle unit was going to be the next step for their development.

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27 minutes ago, Matt D said:

The correct response is to make fun of Brian for Bobby Roode. There's a way to handle these things.

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36 minutes ago, EVA said:

I think what you’ve seen for the past however many months since PAC came back is closer to the original idea of how the Death Triangle unit was going to be the next step for their development.

And on Wednesday, there's Fenix and Penta teaming with Laredo Kid against the Bucks and Cutler. Pac's ankle is hurt.

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That BSS with Orton was good. Didn't realize WWE let swear words pass through during initial airings. It was weird hearing Orton actually say fuck and shit only to see them semi-bleep shit later when I had to leave and re-enter the show later.

Had no idea Taker had tried to put Orton over like that until then. Its neat that Orton wants to have a moment like that with the current roster.

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Every time I hear the NXT PPV's name, I can't help but think of the UK reality TV show where a ballet dancer had to try to convince a panel of experts that he was actually a grizzled professional wrestler. It aired 20 years ago and I haven't seen since but I recall they kept kayfabe when narrating the match. The gimmick he chose? The Dandy Highwayman. 

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15 minutes ago, Custos said:

Every time I hear the NXT PPV's name, I can't help but think of the UK reality TV show where a ballet dancer had to try to convince a panel of experts that he was actually a grizzled professional wrestler. It aired 20 years ago and I haven't seen since but I recall they kept kayfabe when narrating the match. The gimmick he chose? The Dandy Highwayman. 

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Cheers, @Custos!

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1 hour ago, Custos said:

Every time I hear the NXT PPV's name, I can't help but think of the UK reality TV show where a ballet dancer had to try to convince a panel of experts that he was actually a grizzled professional wrestler. It aired 20 years ago and I haven't seen since but I recall they kept kayfabe when narrating the match. The gimmick he chose? The Dandy Highwayman. 

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Sounds like he knew that ridicule is nothing to be scared of

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Andrade/La Sombra is legit one of the most exciting guys to watch. Part of what made his run to the NXT title and his run as being champion so great was that you could tell he was totally unleashed. I can't think of anyone else who worked that perfectly and made everything they did look so fucking violent. I'll always point this out, but most wrestlers will do a move, transition, do another move, etc. Andrade hits a move, quickly hits another move, destroys you with yet another move, and then destroys you more with another move. His sequences on offense are so fucking badass and it's rare to see someone not give their opponent time to breathe. He is just completely relentless and I love it.

Honestly, he's someone that I think most people should want to see anywhere...except maybe ROH where the exposure is so small. NJPW, CMLL, AEW, and hell, even Impact. Get him back on the stage with alacrity. 

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9 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said:

I also don't think that analogy works entirely either. Pro wrestling is its own bastard thing where a combination of casting choices and real athletic ability matter in a way that they don't for movies or competitive sports. 

It is, certainly, but I don't think that extends to fans not accepting a wrestler being put in a new role after seeing them booked differently in another promotion. If the wrestler has the chops to pull off their new role, fans will accept it. Hell, fans have shown they're willing to accept a sudden change of role even without a change of promotion, again providing the wrestler can pull it off.

Now, if your argument is that Andrade doesn't have the athletic ability or physical charisma to be a top guy, then I don't know. Go talk to Fowler; I'm sure you'll have lots to discuss.:)

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I scanned the last four pages and I don't think it was mentioned but who fucking knows

The WWE has to be out of Tropicana Field at the end of next week (Friday, April 2) they are taping everything leading up to Mania ahead of time.

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As part of the process in moving the ThunderDome to a yet-to-be-disclosed location, WWE will be reportedly taping the WrestleMania week go-home editions of Raw and SmackDown before closing things down in Tampa, Florida.

POST Wrestling's John Pollock reported that the Monday, April 4th edition of Raw will be filmed on Tuesday, March 30th while the Friday, April 9th SmackDown will be taped on Thursday, April 1st. Dave Meltzer confirmed the story as well.

Additionally, Pollock confirmed a Fightful report that this year's Hall of Fame ceremony will also be taped over two days, also set for Tuesday, March 30th and Thursday, April 1st.

A Monday report from Spectrum Sports 360's Jon Alba (also reported by Pollock and confirmed by Dave Meltzer) has WWE's residency at Tropicana Field ending on Friday, April 2nd, due to the impending Major League Baseball season. The location they are moving to has yet to be announced, but Tampa's Yuengling Center is said to be a front-runner.

WWE programming will be airing for potentially nine straight days leading up to WrestleMania starting with Raw, the Hall of Fame ceremony on Tuesday, NXT TakeOver on both Wednesday and Thursday, SmackDown Friday, WrestleMania 37 on both Saturday and Sunday, and Raw on the following Monday. If NXT does move to Tuesdays starting after WrestleMania, that would make nine straight days.

 

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