John from Cincinnati Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Ziggy said: There's like 1 or 2 IG dedicated to chronologically going through the career of Stone Cold and one of them is up the spring of 2001 after his heel turn. I know he says he regrets turning heel in hindsight but I thought he was dope as a heel, up until the KoTR when he injured his back and had to rely on comedy. If Rock was still full time during the first few months he would've helped to because he would've had a big enough babyface opposing him. That 2 man power trip was dope too, until Hunter got injured. But as far as Austin, he did alot of dastardly things to make sure he was received as a heel like beat Lita with the chair. And he and Hunter seemed like he were trying to get The Hardys Benoit and Jericho over. I also think the Invasion angle kinda messed up his heel run too. He and Angle switching Babyface and heel. It was clearly the wrong booking based on the babyfaces they had lined up, and continued to get worse in the Invasion. But I'll be damned if late 2000 through 2001 isn't at worst my second favourite Steve Austin year. Even after KotR, you still had him putting a top-five all-time SummerSlam match with Kurt. It's a remarkable body of work. Links to these IG accounts please. 10 minutes ago, thee Reverend Axl Future said: That was a great clip and doing more like this can't do anything but improve the WWE --- --- BUT --- --- for me, I don't want to "relate" to these rasslers. I want them to be bigger than life. I want them to occupy a world I can't even imagine, and to think of them in mundane terms (Terry Funk going to the DMV? Abdullah the Butcher collects Star Wars dolls? Baron Von Raschke trained as a plumber?) makes them seem less special, and makes it harder to suspend my disbelief. This is my (old-timer?) view, the mileage on your Model T may vary. This ties in with the social media debate of above as well. - RAF I kind of find "I want someone I can relate to" to be the most basic wrestling take that I see repeated way too often. Always happy to see this alternative represented, even if my actual views are always rocking back and forth on a continuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 It kinda made sense in theory. Babyface roster was stacked. Austin, Rock, Jericho, Benoit, Taker, Kane. I'm curious to how the turn would be received had he turned the night after during the cage match rather than at WM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Before this thread gets closed because of a right winger or whatever, can we talk about the news that Paul Wight dropped on Talk Is Jericho for a minute? Apparently sometime early on in the Wyatts run, it was supposed to be the Wyatts versus Cena, Big Show and.... JUSTIN BIEBER? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Casey said: Before this thread gets closed because of a right winger or whatever, can we talk about the news that Paul Wight dropped on Talk Is Jericho for a minute? Apparently sometime early on in the Wyatts run, it was supposed to be the Wyatts versus Cena, Big Show and.... JUSTIN BIEBER? That is one time where the confused emoji actually makes sense. For some reason though my first thought reading that was "Hmm...wonder how they would be as a boy band." Edited March 17, 2021 by NikoBaltimore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Wight defended the decision, since it would get eyeballs on WWE's product. But someone backstage nixed it because they didn't think the audience could relate to Justin Bieber. I haven't listened to the podcast yet, just read the recap on Reddit. But I'm assuming this was around 2014? He mentioned the proposed match was to be at SummerSlam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Bieber was still acting real dumb back then, I bet they could've talked him into taking some stupid bumps at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 15 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said: We'd need to know more. For example, if you watch Klaus Kinski films where Werner Herzog is clearly trying to kill him, obviously that makes you a) an awesome person and b) probably a fan of Japanese deathmatches. Definitely a), then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Casey said: Before this thread gets closed because of a right winger or whatever, can we talk about the news that Paul Wight dropped on Talk Is Jericho for a minute? Apparently sometime early on in the Wyatts run, it was supposed to be the Wyatts versus Cena, Big Show and.... JUSTIN BIEBER? It was squashed because an unknown person in WWE reportedly said GODDAMIT PAL HE'S NO FRANKIE AVALON 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Technico Support said: It was squashed because an unknown person in WWE reportedly said GODDAMIT PAL HE'S NO FRANKIE AVALON It's kinda weird that Summerslam never had a beach party movie theme, like Clambake or some shit. At least we got Great Balls of Fire 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: It's kinda weird that Summerslam never had a beach party movie theme, like Clambake or some shit. At least we got Great Balls of Fire For all the joking we do about Vince's pop culture understanding being decades behind what is current...holy shit he actually did name a 2017 PPV after a 60 year old Jerry Lee Lewis song. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Technico Support said: For all the joking we do about Vince's pop culture understanding being decades behind what is current...holy shit he actually did name a 2017 PPV after a 60 year old Jerry Lee Lewis song. Which lead to some unfortunate LED blocking... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, PetrolCB said: Which lead to some unfortunate LED blocking... We also had this from the same event: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I remember that rumor. I recall there even being a contingency where Cena would AA Bieber after the match if he was booed. Rollins-Cena with Jon Stewart in 2015 at SummerSlam was a much better use of a celebrity. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Shhh, don't mention Jon Stewart... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Jesus it's like the Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man meme in here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 4:05 PM, Smelly McUgly said: I agree in theory, but having been to Spokane, I must say that it's basically a Pacific Northwest stand-in for [insert corrupt Southern town of your choosing]. People don't know that a lot of the PNW is just the South, but with more pine trees. Super true. I drove down to San Francisco from Vancouver a few years backs and was shocked to see confederate flags on cars and houses once I got near the south of Washington near the Oregon border. Northern California is super 'rural' too with a mix of hippies and wannabe southerners. British Columbia is pretty much the same with a few metropolitan areas and mostly rural conservative towns making up the rest of the province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, jaedmc said: Jesus it's like the Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man meme in here. Disliking or criticizing somebody because they are not taking a deadly pandemic seriously is NOT a political opinion. If you (the general "you") think it is, you can talk to my right-leaning Veteran father in law who spent 56 days in the hospital with covid, or any of the countless people on here whose friends and family died of it. So I would say plenty of people on here have every right to criticize an anti-masker wrestler In the wrestling folder, or such an actor or musician in those respective folders. 10 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 6:13 PM, Elsalvajeloco said: I hesitate on the diabetes just because a man just blamed his racism on his diabetes. So I believe his self healing system is broken. When it comes to Arizona...the only things I think of are MLK Day not being a holiday, Warrior Academy and destrucity or however the fuck you spell it, Superstar Billy Graham, Raising Arizona, the 2001 Diamondbacks, Lute Olson, and the classic SNL sketch where Xena played Stevie Nicks selling shitty Tex-Mex in Sedona with her cocaine fueled gypsy yodeling. Let's not forget Eleanor Shellstrop from The Good Place, as well as Phoenix being a city full of serial killers on Medium. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Can't we all just get back to complaining about who doesn't throw good punches? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Spontaneous said: Can't we all just get back to complaining about who doesn't throw good punches? Good idea, but considering what today is I would be fine with celebrating the likes of Finlay instead. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, christopher.annino said: Disliking or criticizing somebody because they are not taking a deadly pandemic seriously is NOT a political opinion. If you (the general "you") think it is, you can talk to my right-leaning Veteran father in law who spent 56 days in the hospital with covid, or any of the countless people on here whose friends and family died of it. So I would say plenty of people on here have every right to criticize an anti-masker wrestler In the wrestling folder, or such an actor or musician in those respective folders. I'm fine with criticizing people for not taking it seriously. I think beyond that is a troubling trend of dismissing or mocking people as whack jobs or crazies, not just about covid19 but everything. We don't know these people. I don't think these people are crazy and to dismiss them as such reinforces their belief which is even worse. And I certainly don't think anyone is anymore crazy than I am, or that I'm not susceptible to bad ideas. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, jaedmc said: I'm fine with criticizing people for not taking it seriously. I think beyond that is a troubling trend of dismissing or mocking people as whack jobs or crazies, not just about covid19 but everything. We don't know these people. I don't think these people are crazy and to dismiss them as such reinforces their belief which is even worse. And I certainly don't think anyone is anymore crazy than I am, or that I'm not susceptible to bad ideas. You're totally spot on, a lot of people have just been straight-up lied to and believed what they heard because in some cases the sources were supposed to be, theoretically, responsible adults in charge of keeping essentially the entire population educated and informed. Of course there are some people that push it way too far, because in all fairness we live in an age where we all have supercomputers in the palms of our hands and have every opportunity to look for other arguments that might challenge our beliefs, so there gets to be a point where there's no excuse for irresponsibility due to ignorance. I think of people being flagrantly anti-mask the same as I think of people who drive drunk. They're not necessarily whack jobs but they are certainly dangerous assholes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 So how about that Fit Finlay! Remember when he got that great match out of Great Khali? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, jaedmc said: Jesus it's like the Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man meme in here. That's a false equivalence. There are definitely two broad sides in this specific discussion, but that's about the only similarity. But beyond that, and just talking generally now rather than in response to the above post, I think it's important to note in general that this thread talks about real life stuff because wrestling is a part of real life. It's nice to have wrestling as an escape, but it's pretty hard to escape COVID outbreaks, provocative tweeting, promotional decisions like the KSA deal that actual news sources cover, etc. I think it's great that we don't talk directly about what's going on in politics today, but indirectly, it's going to happen because pro wrestling and politics are entirely intertwined, and that's because politics and everything are intertwined. Literally, politics is people enacting policies that affect lives across the globe. Of course they're intimately connected with everything that goes on in the world of pro wrestling. I will bet, though, that if WWE or AEW could hit a hot angle, people would talk about that more in this thread (or maybe they'd do it in the WWE/AEW threads instead since those are dedicated) and we'd have less space and time here to talk about What Dumb Tweet Some Wrestler Done Tweeted. So really, this all comes back to pro wrestling in the U.S. being pretty dire right now, especially during the pandemic. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Case in point, and sorry for the double-post: We're talking about Fit Finlay matches from somewhere between about 13 and 26 years ago, my God. Which is cool, but we might as well go back to the WoS/Germany years on top of that: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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