AxB Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Dolfan in NYC said: That being said, I really, really hope this is all borne out of the Nia Jax hole thing where someone had to explain to Vince what brand ambassadorships are and why Nia could get outside pay for a joke he wrote. Wait, Vince wrote the "My Hole" line? It wasn't something Nia came up with herself? Is that a known fact, or speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Eoae said: That's at least more reasonable, though it's not what Dave was saying last night when he and Alvarez brought this up. A fair bit of the conversation was devoted to how talent would be punished if they ate out and took a group photo with the name of the steakhouse in the background. Well again - which is kinda what I said in my summary of the radio show (and Dave brought up in the tweet) - as of last night, WWE talent thought that was the case and that was clearly Dave's source on the matter. I mean they were using the Steakhouse example in the same lines as the aforementioned Oreo example and the car example that they also brought up. None of it was odd outside of the weird obsession with that one Steakhouse which I chalked up to be a California thing Now how it was explained to WWE talent is a different story. It could have easily been a bad game of telephone and the person who talked to Dave had gotten it third hand from other werstlers instead of reading the directive sent out by WWE. Or it could have been the WWE being mush mouthed when actually telling talent about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 One way to get it done would be if The Rock, SCSA, Cena and Batista went to bat for the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Pretty sure WWE would just ignore them. Any real change won't happen until Vince is dead/retired, the company is sold, or the talent comes together for a walkout/union/class action lawsuit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, odessasteps said: Didn't everyone have to wear Tap Out gear when the company a deal with them? IIRC, they weren't forced to wear it, but if they wanted to get out of the stupid "business attire when you travel" dress code, Tap Out gear was the only acceptable attire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 The only other thing about the Tapout shirts that I remember is Gallows, Anderson, and others talking about how the fabric used for the Tapout shirts smelled like shit and would make your body smell the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, Eivion said: Pretty sure WWE would just ignore them. Any real change won't happen until Vince is dead/retired, the company is sold, or the talent comes together for a walkout/union/class action lawsuit. I remember the story about Dancing with the Stars castmates being jaw-on-the-floor stunned when Stacy Kiebler told them about wrestlers' lack of benefits, trans, hotel, etc. It was something they all took for granted, working in the entertainment field. If Vince and the family decided to cash out and sell to NBC, Disney, whomever, I assume the reaction of the people in their benefits departments would be the same. Having been a part of corporate mergers/acquisitions on both ends, oh to be a fly on the wall when, say, NBC HR meets with WWE HR to discuss the transfer of benefits. WWE exec: "this is going to be easy. They don't have any." NBC exec: oh wtf seriously wtf 7 minutes ago, Craig H said: The only other thing about the Tapout shirts that I remember is Gallows, Anderson, and others talking about how the fabric used for the Tapout shirts smelled like shit and would make your body smell the same. But being true old school carnies, free gear is free gear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said: For a) 1/3 the audience and b) 1/3 the roster size. I think the latter is way more important, especially right now. Now after the pandemic/when crowds come back, I expect some roster expansion which include spots for people who are indeed unhappy campers and available (or can find a way to become available). However, once that roster expansion ends and they get happy with what they have, you're going to be on the outside looking in unless you're a premium free agent. 5 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said: If you're willing to give up the WWE paycheck you have to be good enough to get into their roster, which is no guarantee. And then after that, well, you're going to Japan and all the costs associated there... or you're going to Impact/ROH and on down the line. Not saying you're wrong, but there are other factors to consider for a pro grappler. It's pretty clear that you're going to have to be an enterprising individual for you to thrive outside WWE. Now people more closely familiar with WWE performers outside the ring would have a better gauge on who would or would not fit that description. If you don't fit that description, you should definitely stay put. Re: Japan I don't think anyone is going to Japan (before or post pandemic) that doesn't want to go to Japan OR more importantly, if one of the major companies doesn't want you there. It's not the Terry Gordy salad days anymore where a notable talent who should be in WWF or WCW just decides to work in Japan cause the money is great and the schedule isn't brutal. Like I imagine FTR goes to New Japan when things open back up cause (1) New Japan wants to beef up their tag division and (2) they stated in the past that's something they're interested in. The Good Brothers likely are headed there as well. There are likely some others that plan on going from IMPACT or AEW. If you're in WWE, feel like you're going nowhere or it's too restrictive, and possibly would have interest in going there, that's something that is definitely on the table. However, you have to go before that window closes. The sooner you can get you release (that is if you can), the better it would be. If you're thinking about fulfilling one of these long term deals, the wrestling world might have flipped on its head entirely at the end of that 3-5 years. That's what WWE really depends on when they're negotiating with people. That said, the longer an AEW stays around, the more tempting it would be to sign with them and undercuts that little fear tactic. The reality lies somewhere in the middle cause these companies aren't going to take everyone and most of these people honestly don't mean very much outside WWE (hell, the ratings dip and the lack of ratings/overall interest in younger viewers for NXT shows they don't mean very much INSIDE WWE to begin with). If you don't feel like you can make it work (or you never worked indies before), you definitely should stay where you are. If you feel like there are legitimate opportunities out there, have some connections, and get your hustle on, why not leave if you can? Based on the recent history of WWE anyway, chances are you might wind up back there when everything is said and done. Having a break from that will probably help you deal with the bullshit if and when you go back. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) Wasn't there a mainstream media interview with Bayley - when Smackdown first moved to Fox, maybe? - where the topic of benefit packages and insurance came up and it quickly got awkward for everyone involved? Edited February 16, 2021 by Eoae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Technico Support said: I remember the story about Dancing with the Stars castmates being jaw-on-the-floor stunned when Stacy Kiebler told them about wrestlers' lack of benefits, trans, hotel, etc. It was something they all took for granted, working in the entertainment field. If Vince and the family decided to cash out and sell to NBC, Disney, whomever, I assume the reaction of the people in their benefits departments would be the same. Having been a part of corporate mergers/acquisitions on both ends, oh to be a fly on the wall when, say, NBC HR meets with WWE HR to discuss the transfer of benefits. WWE exec: "this is going to be easy. They don't have any." NBC exec: oh wtf seriously wtf Didn't Bayley have an (live?) interview on a talk show where the host was shocked about her having to drive from town to town and all Bayley could do was shrug and try to change the topic? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, Eoae said: Wasn't there a mainstream media interview with Bayley - when Smackdown first moved to Fox, maybe? - where the topic of benefit packages and insurance came up and it quickly got awkward for everyone involved? 30 minutes ago, Infinit said: Didn't Bayley have an (live?) interview on a talk show where the host was shocked about her having to drive from town to town and all Bayley could do was shrug and try to change the topic? Apparently so! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Yes - it was with Fox - and if I remember correctly the clip quickly got pulled from social media 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) The look on her face when her reality brushes up against what goes on in the bubble is still fantastic. As is Bayley trying to grin through questions she really doesn't want to respond to. Edited February 16, 2021 by John from Cincinnati 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 The look on Bayley’s face when Leahy asks if she wants her to negotiate their “new” CBA is priceless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 God damn. "They couldn't do that for 30 superstars five days a week." "I don't know, I think they make a lot of money off you guys." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 18 hours ago, odessasteps said: If they replaced it with a Pillman v Liger, that’s a tough choice. Say what you will about Bischoff as a creative but I doubt they've not went with that to start the show. I'm surprised it didn't get more time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Eoae said: Wasn't there a mainstream media interview with Bayley - when Smackdown first moved to Fox, maybe? - where the topic of benefit packages and insurance came up and it quickly got awkward for everyone involved? Great minds, etc etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, Technico Support said: God damn. "They couldn't do that for 30 superstars five days a week." "I don't know, I think they make a lot of money off you guys." Considering that besides the first and the last day, the whole roster has to make the same trip, so booking a bus and putting the whole roster in the same hotel would be cost-effective anyway (and, when that was still a thing, would have reduced the number of no-shows due to transportation issues). They manage to do that on overseas tours, at least. Also I am pretty sure that is how the bigger Japanese companies are handling that as well (at least the NOAH music specials or whatever had lots of clips from bus rides). I suppose the only issue for the talent would be that opening match guys (gals) have to stay until the end, but compared to the benefits, that would be a pretty small prize to pay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said: For a) 1/3 the audience and b) 1/3 the roster size. If you're willing to give up the WWE paycheck you have to be good enough to get into their roster, which is no guarantee. And then after that, well, you're going to Japan and all the costs associated there... or you're going to Impact/ROH and on down the line. Not saying you're wrong, but there are other factors to consider for a pro grappler. Right, but I'm thinking of a guy like Claudio. He seems like someone who would have saved his money, wants more freedom, and I can't imagine AEW would pass him up. They'd probably even sign Sara as a trainer/producer if that would seal it. All the stars seemed aligned for him, but he still stayed. Edited February 16, 2021 by Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, Robert s said: Considering that besides the first and the last day, the whole roster has to make the same trip, so booking a bus and putting the whole roster in the same hotel would be cost-effective anyway (and, when that was still a thing, would have reduced the number of no-shows due to transportation issues). They manage to do that on overseas tours, at least. Also I am pretty sure that is how the bigger Japanese companies are handling that as well (at least the NOAH music specials or whatever had lots of clips from bus rides). I suppose the only issue for the talent would be that opening match guys (gals) have to stay until the end, but compared to the benefits, that would be a pretty small prize to pay. I'm pretty sure that for a while, there was a rule that nobody could leave before the Main Event finished, because if you were on the undercard it was part of your job to watch the rest of the matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 19 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Agreed but i will say this... i want Sasha to face Bianca one on one and i would like to see them put Bianca over. Sasha is a megastar anyway you cut it. Bianca can gain so much by winning that match on that stage. Same here, I'm happy Sasha finally got to have a substantial reign as Champ after all these years. I'm a mark for Sasha but I don't want to come across like one of the Twitter Diva stans, it's still preposterous that it took her 5-6 years to actually get a chance to have a decent run with the title. And Bianca, it's crazy that she didn't get an NXT Women's title run the way the pushed her for a while as undefeated but the good thing about that is when she got to the main roster it's like she started off completely fresh. She need a clean victory one on one. The way they book these Women's title matches at Mania I wouldn't be surprised if they add Bayley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Great Justice Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I don’t think they’d put Banks over Belair after just putting Charlotte over Ripley last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, Ziggy said: The way they book these Women's title matches at Mania I wouldn't be surprised if they add Bayley love Bayley but that would be a bad idea. Needs to be one on one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I'm literally wearing a Bayley t-shirt right now while I type this: putting her into it to make a triple threat is a terrible idea because triple threats are a terrible idea that should vanish from wrestling. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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