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People forgetting Sullivan said (posted) hateful shit about LGBTQ+ folks back in the day only for it to come out even further back in the day he did some gay porn? It's one thing to be a piece of shit, and another to be a total fucking hypocrite. I'd say yeah, good riddance, goodbye and don't come back ???

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2 hours ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

Miz is an easy target.

Responsible for the last time Dolph Ziggler was interesting.

Shane feud was better than it had any right to be.

Bryan feud was amazing.

Possibly the only guy who has done 15 years of the WWE circuit week in week out trading pointless wins that is still over, despite essentially still doing the same act and numerous people feeling just as stale after 5 years.

Its still enjoyable seeing the guy get beat up despite there being plenty of options to indulge in it.

There are times when I feel The Miz is the best wrestler in WWE today.

I mean - the feeling passes. But still.

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56 minutes ago, The Green Meanie said:

Was it cause of the sideburns?

As a sideburns owner myself, I loved Gorilla's. Hated Lars'. But my all time favorites are Don Leo Jonathan and CM Punk right before he walked.

No, because he was a madman in the ring but an erudite in interviews. 

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6 hours ago, Infinit said:

Didn't he have a history of offensive/hateful posts too?

I don't wish the guy any harm, he can go find something else to do with his life, but I have no problem with him never being in the pro wrestling industry or public spotlight ever again. 

It doesn't seem like wrestling is in him, so I guess you will get you wish.

I spend altogether way too much time arguing with IDW-tards on Twitter, and I have no truck with any of their bullshit or any of Lars from that bodybuilder forum. But there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine respectable people who do not need to repent

Roland Pryzbylewski is one of my favourite characters in The Wire. He's a dumb, piece of shit at the start of the series, blinding a kid in one eye for looking at him funny, but by the end of it he's redeemed and is one of the few characters who finishes both alive & reasonably uncompromised. 

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17 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said:

Man, Yoko at the size he was when he first came in was legit awe-inspiring. He was crazy-athletic for a dude of the size he was then. Early Yoko has elite-level squashes of jobbers. 

 

EDIT: Look at this dope-ass shit right here.

 

Vince's growl when he says "girth" disturbs me.

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7 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Prez's behavior was the result of peer pressure rather than some kind of internal hatred. Maybe hanging out in that environment made Lars say what he said, but I doubt it. 

I am not sure that's a valid read. There were plenty of cops that didn't pull the shit he pulled. But I'm not sure why that somehow makes what he did to the kid excusable.

Sullivan obviously got involved in some G4P, not uncommon in the fitness industry....and yeah that almost certainly caused him issues. Not defending anything he said, he was a bigot but tbh with a lot of this stuff I just see the ugliness of dunking on a guy who clearly has problems, and in this case there is barely a victim. There's an Orwell quote about the unadulterated joy of finding a target for righteously targeting...I need to find it.

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I don't think what Prez did is excusable at all, though thankfully he redeemed himself somewhat by working with children to better their lives instead of being a fucking cop. Sorry if it read that way. What I meant to get at is that I just didn't think the two situations are really close enough for comparison. I get the cut of your jib though.

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10 hours ago, Spontaneous said:

When the Instagram comments happened I was, and still am, done with Lars. He clearly didn't learn from the first time. I can only feel so bad for him in regards to mental health issues. I have bad depression and anxiety too, I'm sure many others here have too. It's not an excuse to then act like he did.

I will say, I find it sad that once again, being a shitty person didn't matter but missing shows is what got him fired.

He didn't commit a crime and even if he had, if he shows actual improvement as a person I think he can allowed a 2nd opportunity down the line. 

 

I pretty much agree with this.   I think he's been punished sufficiently- kinda like the Sammy Guevara situation, but on a much larger scale (and I think Sammy got a bit more than he should have, but it was the worst time for that to come out, and I think most have forgiven Sammy because it was a youthful mistake that wasn't criminal)

 

I am taking Lars's contrition as genuine though.

 

The question is- where is the line where someone's behavior becomes irredeemable:  to me that line is just past Will Ospreay/Bea Priestly if the worst allegations against him were true (I consider them debunked- or at least explainable- at worst it's a clear "not proven").  I can't forgive Elgin , Marty, or Chase though.

I do think Lars needs therapy, I hope WWE pays for it,  and hopefully he doesn't try to come back to the business unless he's truly able to do so.

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4 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

I don't think what Prez did is excusable at all, though thankfully he redeemed himself somewhat by working with children to better their lives instead of being a fucking cop. Sorry if it read that way. What I meant to get at is that I just didn't think the two situations are really close enough for comparison. I get the cut of your jib though.

Well he had already more or less redeemed himself by becoming passionate about detailed casework, then he shot the other cop by mistake (probably negligently, but it wasn't wilful) the one time he was in the field - then he changed jobs. Anyway looks like Lars Sullivan will be doing something else, but he seems to be handling things the right way - apparently that bodybuilding forum did contain some peer pressure to say dumb shit to fit in so there you go, and Titus O'Neill spoke to him at length and he was satisfied he wasn't *that* guy. I dunno, I see dumb shit, and dumb shit can cause real damage don't get me wrong, but I just don't see an evil person here. So assuming he's on the up and up, I do wish him the best in his future endeavours. Unless he shows up in Japan or something, I guess that's that.

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