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[odessasteps]

TIL that Madonna actually got permission from abba to use the sample in Hung Up. Also that this song actually exists.

[Curt McGirt]

[odessasteps]

It’s Joan d’Arc Day, every body. 

(This would be great entrance music) 

[Zimbra]

The Talking Head played their first show 50 years ago today, so in celebration they released a music video for Psycho Killer starring Saoirse Ronan directed by Mike Mills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ54eImz88w

[Curt McGirt]

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They waited until Saoirse Ronan was born to make the video.

Very professional

 

[odessasteps]

Happy 80th birthday noted wrestling fan Debbie Harry 

 

[Doragon]

Maybe maximum 20 years in prison for Sean Combs. It will be up to a judge to decide how long he serves.

[supremebve]

3 minutes ago, Doragon said:

Maybe maximum 20 years in prison for Sean Combs. It will be up to a judge to decide how long he serves.

I was having this conversation with my coworker.  Is there a single person on earth who can tell someone, "I'm going to hang out with Puffy," without judgement from the person they are talking to.  Seriously, male, female, gay, straight, bi, trans, who could look someone in their life in the face and say, "I'm going to hang out with Puffy," without the person thinking they were some type of deviant.  He claimed that there are people who have people in their lives who would be OK with someone in their life hanging out with Diddy, I don't believe these people exist.  I'm sure that there are some people in the amazon who never heard of Diddy, but amongst the world who knows who he is, we ain't about to let that one slide. 

[Curt McGirt]

I had no idea about this shit until he got thrown in jail, but I've always had an irrational hatred for him so wasn't in the know I guess.

[supremebve]

6 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

I had no idea about this shit until he got thrown in jail, but I've always had an irrational hatred for him so wasn't in the know I guess.

I had no idea either, but I have a hatred for anyone who treats people badly.  Making kids walk for miles to get him some cheesecake on Making of the Band was enough to me to realize that I could never be a fan.  If everyone who works for you ends up dead, in jail, or joining a ministry, odds are you are a piece of shit.  Also, he has a much bigger role in the Biggie and Tupac beef than he's ever gotten credit for.  Tupac didn't believe that Biggie set him up, he believed that Puffy and/or associates of Puffy set him up to be robbed and Biggie didn't warn him.  The Death Row/Bad Boy beef started when Puffy's bodyguard killed Suge Knight's best friend at Jermaine Dupri's birthday party.  So, Biggie and Tupac end up dead because they are the public faces of a beef that is some behind the scenes street shit that has much more to do with Puffy and Suge than Biggie and Tupac.  

[zendragon]

I really don't follow hip hop so all the deviant stuff was kinda news to me. I mean I can imagine that a rap star would have sex and drugs at parties but I would have assumed you normal rap/rock star stuff

[supremebve]

26 minutes ago, zendragon said:

I really don't follow hip hop so all the deviant stuff was kinda news to me. I mean I can imagine that a rap star would have sex and drugs at parties but I would have assumed you normal rap/rock star stuff

I'm a live and let live type of person, and I'm definitely not someone who judges people on their bedroom habits, but the details in that case made me want to reconsider my whole stance on not judging people.  I don't even want to know how some of that shit even crosses your mind, let alone spending the time, money, and influence to make these things happen.  I haven't even been following the case that closely, but occasionally I'd come across a tweet or an instagram reel of someone breaking down the day in court and it was always insane.  I'm not a prude in any sense and I'm all for casual sex, but I can't even imagine the complete lack of care he seemed to have for the victims in this case.  Another thing that really grabbed me in this case is how little self-worth a lot of famous/well-known people have.  I can't imagine anyone being able to talk me into any of this shit, but I'm also not chasing a lifestyle that is based on some sort of capitalist fantasy.  

[zendragon]

Between this and like the Vince stuff I'm always kinda like "you have all this money and fame and influence, you can get women. what's with the rape?". I wonder does the money turn these people depraved or are they depraved from the get go and when they get the money they feel they can act on it? Chicken and the egg.

[supremebve]

4 hours ago, zendragon said:

Between this and like the Vince stuff I'm always kinda like "you have all this money and fame and influence, you can get women. what's with the rape?". I wonder does the money turn these people depraved or are they depraved from the get go and when they get the money they feel they can act on it? Chicken and the egg.

With both of them I'm amazed by how much the women consented to before they reached a point before it became a problem. This Diddy trail isn't even about whether or not there was consent. It's much more about the whether or not you can legally have a traveling sex circus on your payroll. The verdict seems to say that it's OK to have a traveling sex circus as long as you don't pay people to join. I thought they had him dead to rights on the sex trafficking,  because there is literally video of him beating Cassie when she tried to leave. The sex circus stops being a sex circus when the performers want to leave and you don't let them. 

[Curt McGirt]

I absolutely 100% thought he was cashing in on Biggie's death from the very jump, and hated his music, hated Mase, hated his money worship, hated his name, hated his image, hated his personality. Phony fucking capitalist fuck. I frankly think he got Big killed and likely not unintentionally. Suge was probably gunning for him and he was a sacrifice. 

And of course, guess what happened? In this country, with what, six separate charges of what are IMO crimes against humanity stacked against him? He only eats TWO. 

Fuck him forever.

[zendragon]

9 hours ago, supremebve said:

With both of them I'm amazed by how much the women consented to before they reached a point before it became a problem. This Diddy trail isn't even about whether or not there was consent. It's much more about the whether or not you can legally have a traveling sex circus on your payroll. The verdict seems to say that it's OK to have a traveling sex circus as long as you don't pay people to join. I thought they had him dead to rights on the sex trafficking,  because there is literally video of him beating Cassie when she tried to leave. The sex circus stops being a sex circus when the performers want to leave and you don't let them. 

The Janell Grant/Vince thing sounded like she though she was signing up to be his mistress (which is like why not just have a mistress?). I was always under the impression that money, fame and power got you women. what's with all the raping

[supremebve]

3 hours ago, zendragon said:

The Janell Grant/Vince thing sounded like she though she was signing up to be his mistress (which is like why not just have a mistress?). I was always under the impression that money, fame and power got you women. what's with all the raping

Cassie seemed to be OK with all the sex stuff while she was willing to be in a relationship with Diddy, from what I gather all of this is about what happened once she tried to leave.  I've heard multiple legal people describe this as a miscarriage of justice, which I can relate to, but I've also saw people say that legally, the prosecution didn't really prove the more serious charges in this case.  The video of him beating Cassie could just be regular old domestic violence, they couldn't prove that it had anything to do with the sex circus.  In order for it to be sex trafficking, they'd have to prove that he beat her specifically to keep her in the sex circus and not in an attempt to keep her in the relationship.  There is no question that he hired prostitutes to join the sex circus, which he was convicted of, but how do you prove that someone who was a willing and active participant in the sex circus was forced to stay in the sex circus?  Having a sex circus full of willing participants who aren't paid to be there is 100% legal

[Curt McGirt]

Men are sick fucks and like to rape women. That's what the deal is. They want power and degradation in their sex. 

[supremebve]

9 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

Men are sick fucks and like to rape women. That's what the deal is. They want power and degradation in their sex. 

This is worse than that.  In both of these cases, the women were OK with the power play and degradation in their sex.  This is closer to the Darren Sharper thing where he was drugging and raping women who would have had sex with him willingly.  They didn't just want to have power and degradation in their sex, that is not a crime as long as it is consensual.  This is much more about what happens once consent is removed, which shouldn't be that hard, but legally we have a long way to go.  The real legal question that the Diddy case seems to ask without really answering is where is the line when you consent to a level of powerlessness and degradation?  This wasn't a one time thing, this seemed to be a lifestyle they lived for a number of years, where she was a active and consenting participant.  The real question is how do you prove in court that you were OK with this on Tuesday, but not on Wednesday?  In reality, it is whenever she says she's not OK with it, but legally that is really hard line to set.

[twiztor]

2 hours ago, supremebve said:

how do you prove in court that you were OK with this on Tuesday, but not on Wednesday?  In reality, it is whenever she says she's not OK with it, but legally that is really hard line to set.

indeed. especially years down the line, and with no paper trail to follow. What Diddy did was awful. But the prosecutors shot high on the charges, and obviously the jury felt that they didn't hit the threshold for proving what they claimed from a legal standpoint.

 

21 hours ago, zendragon said:

Between this and like the Vince stuff I'm always kinda like "you have all this money and fame and influence, you can get women. what's with the rape?". I wonder does the money turn these people depraved or are they depraved from the get go and when they get the money they feel they can act on it? Chicken and the egg.

that Jake Roberts scene from 'Beyond the Mat' seems fitting here. something about 'when you can get women whenever you want, you get bored of it and need to chase that next experience.' (i think that's a nicer way of saying what he said)

[supremebve]

52 minutes ago, twiztor said:

that Jake Roberts scene from 'Beyond the Mat' seems fitting here. something about 'when you can get women whenever you want, you get bored of it and need to chase that next experience.' (i think that's a nicer way of saying what he said)

If a woman made me a drink and turned on a 90s R&B playlist before sex,  I'd call that a hell of a night. I don't think I'd even want to have enough sex to be into the things described in that trial. I'm just a simple man, I suppose. 

[Curt McGirt]

TBH I haven't read the details on the case besides reading I think a Guardian article so I could see some courtroom sketches and dip my toe into just how disgusting it is. What I meant was "power and degradation" on a non-consentual level, which, in another TBH for me, I tend to associate with "non-consentual" as far as sex is concerned. I understand that everyone has different concepts of consentual sex but to me that starts to evoke a reach. (Obviously, they would have excused me from jury duty for this one.)

[odessasteps]

Some Disco Wonder Woman on this holiday when all need some smiles.

 

Edited July 4 by odessasteps

[odessasteps]

This popped in my YT feed today. Prob not heard in 20 years. 

 

[Chaos]

The first new Swell Season album in 16 years dropped today. Between this and a couple of single releases they've made in the last couple of years, Marketa has grown into just a powerhouse of a singer when she lets it go.  The end of "Pretty Stories" on this album is really good stuff.  This will be a regular listen over the weekend.

Speaking of powerful vocals and harmonies, I have the Remaster/Reissue of Civil Wars's "Barton Hollow" coming through Magnolia Records early next month. I'm excited to hear that on vinyl.