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[odessasteps]

Last hit 1965?

https://youtu.be/8cXEfW2M96Y?si=6HspaS7eu94klDQP

[zendragon]

7 hours ago, Mister TV said:

Zevon & Salt-N-Pepa should have gone into the regular HOF over Bad Company & Chubby Checker. Also, is it just American snobbery that's keeping Oasis out? I would put them at the same level of Soundgarden and slightly a head of White Stripes.

Maybe? I think they only had two US hits.

Also Chubby Checker was my first concert

Edited April 28 by zendragon

[RazorbladeKiss87]

Oasis not being in is a combo of not having mainstream American hits and the brothers' personalities rubbing some HoF voters wrong, I'd guess.  

In all honesty, who cares about the HoF? It's easy fodder for music writers I guess but I don't know anyone in the real world who cares and I'm friends with some real music nerds. 

I don't see an issue with recognizing Chubby Checker. Adding someone more relevant isn't going to suddenly get people who don't already have an interest to pay attention.  

Now, the physical Hall? That's pretty cool.

Edited April 30 by RazorbladeKiss87

[twiztor]

2 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

Oasis not being in is a combo of not having mainstream American hits and the brothers' personalities rubbing some HoF voters wrong, I'd guess.  

In all honesty, who cares about the HoF? It's easy fodder for music writers I guess but I don't know anyone in the real world who cares and I'm friends with some real music nerds. 

I don't see an issue with recognizing Chubby Checker. Adding someone more relevant isn't going to suddenly get people who don't already have an interest to pay attention.  

Now, the physical Hall? That's pretty cool.

is Wonderwall not a big enough hit? That was EVERYWHERE. I know that was far and away their biggest song, but it's not like there weren't others.

I also have no issue with Chubby Checker going in, but the timing does seem rather irrelevant. 

[RazorbladeKiss87]

1 hour ago, twiztor said:

is Wonderwall not a big enough hit? That was EVERYWHERE. I know that was far and away their biggest song, but it's not like there weren't others.

I also have no issue with Chubby Checker going in, but the timing does seem rather irrelevant. 

If you look at the Hot 100, Oasis is almost a nonentity.  Wonderwall hit No. 8 and that's their only entry in the hot 100. It's endured and is popular along with others like "Champagne Supernova" and stuff. 

I want to clarify,  if this were my pick, they'd absolutely go in. They rule. The brothers are great rock stars. I love shit talkers and they're experts. Singing along to their songs with a group of people is a great experiment.  I'm wearing an Oasis shirt as I type this.  

[zendragon]

4 hours ago, twiztor said:

is Wonderwall not a big enough hit? That was EVERYWHERE. I know that was far and away their biggest song, but it's not like there weren't others.

I also have no issue with Chubby Checker going in, but the timing does seem rather irrelevant. 

Apparently the hall didn't want Deep Purple in cause they where a one hit wonder... 

[supremebve]

9 minutes ago, zendragon said:

Apparently the hall didn't want Deep Purple in cause they where a one hit wonder... 

The term "hit" in music is as arbitrary as the word "over" in wrestling.  Not only that, I don't think we should use album sales when we are discussing the artistic merit of music.  Being popular and being great are not anywhere close to the same.  For instance, Future has 16 #1 albums.  I don't think he's going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (by the time he's up for a vote, who knows).  He's an incredibly popular artist, who plenty of people love, but there are probably 100 rappers who aren't going in, who I'd put in before him. This isn't to disparage Future, he's perhaps the greatest mumble rapper of all time, but I think you can tell the story of American popular music(which is what this museum is) without him.  

[zendragon]

Hit generally refers to entering the Top 40, however to your point that leads to some artists such as Jimi Hendrix and DEVO as on hit wonders

[twiztor]

3 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

If you look at the Hot 100, Oasis is almost a nonentity.  Wonderwall hit No. 8 and that's their only entry in the hot 100. It's endured and is popular along with others like "Champagne Supernova" and stuff. 

wow. i should have looked that up before i posted. around here, that song played nonstop for EVER. i assumed it was had a good run at #1 (or at least top 5, off the dome i don't know what else came out in short order back then). and i definitely would have expected a few more of their singles to have decent chart locations. 

30 minutes ago, zendragon said:

Apparently the hall didn't want Deep Purple in cause they where a one hit wonder... 

fuck the HoF for that (and for many other reasons)

[supremebve]

7 minutes ago, zendragon said:

Hit generally refers to entering the Top 40, however to your point that leads to some artists such as Jimi Hendrix and DEVO as on hit wonders

I had this argument with a friend a while back.  Is Montell Jordan a one-hit wonder?  The answer is no, but I think he's the best example of what I'm saying.  If you ask 100 people to name a Montell Jordan song, 100 of them will say, This Is How We Do It, but he has multiple top 5 hits and and a bunch of top 40 hits.  No one remembers any of those other songs, despite them being very popular at the time.  Everyone remembers Wonderwall and to a lesser extent, Don't Look Back in Anger.  Whether or not they were "hits," is irrelevant when we all remember the Oasis songs and have forgot the Montell Jordan songs.

[zendragon]

Call that the "Bobby Brown" corollary 

[supremebve]

1 hour ago, zendragon said:

Call that the "Bobby Brown" corollary 

Wait, how does this relate to Bobby Brown?  Do people think Bobby Brown was a one-hit wonder?  

[odessasteps]

Like wrestling, a music HOF is a fools errand, since you can't really use stats in a subjective field. 

[supremebve]

1 hour ago, odessasteps said:

Like wrestling, a music HOF is a fools errand, since you can't really use stats in a subjective field. 

Yeah, but it's awesome for guys like me who like to try to quantify the unquantifiable.  

[odessasteps]

Does lead to question: which is more meaningless, an Observer Award or a Grammy?

[RazorbladeKiss87]

Going by sales and chart hit does suck, to me. Velvet Underground has no hits but their influence runs deep. 

The real value of any non-stat based award or hall of fame is the amount of time you can spend arguing with your friends about it. 

Edited May 1 by RazorbladeKiss87

[zendragon]

10 hours ago, supremebve said:

Wait, how does this relate to Bobby Brown?  Do people think Bobby Brown was a one-hit wonder?  

I think most people could only name "My Prerogative" despite having multiple hits

 

6 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

Going by sales and chart hit does suck, to me. Velvet Underground has no hits but they're influence runs deep. 

The real value of any non-stat based award or hall of fame is the amount of time you can spend arguing with your friends about it. 

I think it should be or kinda is a mix of influence, sales/chart success, and longevity  

[RazorbladeKiss87]

3 hours ago, zendragon said:

I think most people could only name "My Prerogative" despite having multiple hits

 

I think it should be or kinda is a mix of influence, sales/chart success, and longevity  

Damn, you had to quote my typo . 

[Mister TV]

20 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

If you look at the Hot 100, Oasis is almost a nonentity.  Wonderwall hit No. 8 and that's their only entry in the hot 100. It's endured and is popular along with others like "Champagne Supernova" and stuff. 

I want to clarify,  if this were my pick, they'd absolutely go in. They rule. The brothers are great rock stars. I love shit talkers and they're experts. Singing along to their songs with a group of people is a great experiment.  I'm wearing an Oasis shirt as I type this.  

A reminder the record companies back then released very limited physical copies of singles for rock bands, compared to other genres like Pop, Rap, R&B and Country. So that #8 for Wonderwall was almost purely based on radio play and Champagne Supernova wasn't even released as a single for sale US, it just got tons of radio play to drive album sales. 

[RazorbladeKiss87]

6 minutes ago, Mister TV said:

A reminder the record companies back then released very limited physical copies of singles for rock bands, compared to other genres like Pop, Rap, R&B and Country. So that #8 for Wonderwall was almost purely based on radio play and Champagne Supernova wasn't even released as a single for sale US, it just got tons of radio play to drive album sales. 

Good point. My older brother often was buying import singles from rock bands. Maybe a better example of its popularity is the fact that Wonderwall hit number 1 on the modern rock chart and stayed for 10 weeks.  

Edited May 1 by RazorbladeKiss87

[supremebve]

1 hour ago, Mister TV said:

A reminder the record companies back then released very limited physical copies of singles for rock bands, compared to other genres like Pop, Rap, R&B and Country. So that #8 for Wonderwall was almost purely based on radio play and Champagne Supernova wasn't even released as a single for sale US, it just got tons of radio play to drive album sales. 

We also have to remember that record sales are a terrible metric when it comes to discussing the relevance and/or quality of music.  Vanilla Ice sold 15 million copies of To the Extreme.  I don't think anyone would possibly call that a great album.  Stevie Wonder's best selling single is "I Just Called to Say I Love You," and quite frankly that may be the single worse song in his entire catalog.  People have terrible taste, and you should not use their buying decisions as a metric of quality.

[odessasteps]

Also, Payola. 

[odessasteps]

Happy Citizen Kane Day to those who celebrate 

 

[twiztor]

22 hours ago, supremebve said:

We also have to remember that record sales are a terrible metric when it comes to discussing the relevance and/or quality of music.  Vanilla Ice sold 15 million copies of To the Extreme.  I don't think anyone would possibly call that a great album.  People have terrible taste, and you should not use their buying decisions as a metric of quality.

Vanilla Ice is significantly better than he gets credit for. I would still hesitate to call To the Extreme a great album, but it is good. I went out of my way to purchase a copy on vinyl, despite that it 1) is from 1990 (my personal vinyl cutoff is 1989), and 2) was never released in the US.

Anyway, and i know that i'm veering further off topic, V-Ice's 1998 album "Hard to Swallow" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_to_Swallow) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwQXyi0vn2g&list=PL-ZtqwTMNnhKXvd1VCFEJxcMM4d21YFTU) is pretty great for a harder rock/nu metal kind of sound.

and his 2001 follow-up, "Bi-Polar" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-Polar_(Vanilla_Ice_album)) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcGY6KIbiA&list=OLAK5uy_kjhdRc85WfQFrDGgAye52uw_ouqJgXikM&pp=0gcJCV8EOCosWNin) is a double album, and the hip-hop side is quite a bit better than you'd expect. 

ok, Vanilla Ice rant over. but i can go deeper (like his Kraft Mac & Cheese commercial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPLZ0vUHvwM&pp=ygUWdmFuaWxsYSBpY2UgbWFjIGNoZWVzZQ%3D%3D or his comic book (https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?IID=7375001) if i need to.

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