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[odessasteps]

I bet some Spike Jonze videos might make that list. 

[Curt McGirt]

As soon as I heard two seconds of that song (on the video at that, ON MTV) I thought "who would listen to this shit". 

That was the '90s for me. The labels were so desperately scrambling after grunge went under, especially -- ska, rockabilly, swing music, pop punk, before they hit gold with the boy and girl bands and bling-rap. They threw every chunk of shit at the wall to see if it stuck. You had bands like Spin Doctors! Everybody now remembers Creed and Coldplay; we had our versions in Silverchair and Bush. What about LIVE. How fucking weird of a band that somehow got pushed to the moon. I mean, if you are a kid who immediately went to Priest and Sabbath (even though my first record was Ace of Base -- talk about '90s!), how disappointed ARE you?

[twiztor]

10 hours ago, The Comedian said:

Hey, speaking of Weezer, here's a thought: is "Buddy Holly" the all-time king of bad song/good video?

Obviously, the "Happy Days"-themed video is cool as hell. Hell, doing the Fonzie dance at the end of the video became a meme amongst my friends for a bit. It's so good it tricks you into thinking the song ain't half bad.

And then years later, I'm putting together my 90's rock playlist on Spotify and of course "Buddy Holly" goes on there. However, whenever it actually comes up I find that it's an instant skip. Why? It's a garbage song. I mean, right off the bat it hits you with "white bread guy ironically uses Hip-Hop slang", which was always shite. The rest of it is standard "Hey girl please be a dork from the wrong era with me", only without one iota of the charm of, say, "Teenage Dirtbag". But man that video hit enough nostalgia bits to fool me for a couple decades...

 

1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:

As soon as I heard two seconds of that song (on the video at that, ON MTV) I thought "who would listen to this shit". 

That was the '90s for me. The labels were so desperately scrambling after grunge went under, especially -- ska, rockabilly, swing music, pop punk, before they hit gold with the boy and girl bands and bling-rap. They threw every chunk of shit at the wall to see if it stuck. You had bands like Spin Doctors! Everybody now remembers Creed and Coldplay; we had our versions in Silverchair and Bush. What about LIVE. How fucking weird of a band that somehow got pushed to the moon. I mean, if you are a kid who immediately went to Priest and Sabbath (even though my first record was Ace of Base -- talk about '90s!), how disappointed ARE you?

i like almost all of these bands. Except Creed. Fuck Creed. Also, i've never listened to Coldplay.

[Mister TV]

14 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

As soon as I heard two seconds of that song (on the video at that, ON MTV) I thought "who would listen to this shit". 

That was the '90s for me. The labels were so desperately scrambling after grunge went under, especially -- ska, rockabilly, swing music, pop punk, before they hit gold with the boy and girl bands and bling-rap. They threw every chunk of shit at the wall to see if it stuck. You had bands like Spin Doctors! Everybody now remembers Creed and Coldplay; we had our versions in Silverchair and Bush. What about LIVE. How fucking weird of a band that somehow got pushed to the moon. I mean, if you are a kid who immediately went to Priest and Sabbath (even though my first record was Ace of Base -- talk about '90s!), how disappointed ARE you?

Bush! I totally forgot about them until I saw a billboard for their May 1st show at a casino near Battle Creek, Michigan. 

[supremebve]

13 hours ago, twiztor said:

Except Creed. Fuck Creed.

I have to say, between Creed and Kid Rock, the only positive feelings I've ever had about either of them is because of a WWE music video.  

[twiztor]

2 hours ago, supremebve said:

I have to say, between Creed and Kid Rock, the only positive feelings I've ever had about either of them is because of a WWE music video.  

this 100% will hurt my cred here in this folder, but Kid Rock's 1998 album Devil Without a Cause will always hold a place in my heart. He turns to shitty soft rock/fake country almost immediately afterwards, so i certainly don't still like his music, but that album (and, to be completely honest, his prior release Early Mornin' Stoned Pimp) can occasionally be heard bumping out of my speakers.

[Curt McGirt]

*whispers* I didn't think Silverchair or Bush were really all that bad, I just wanted to mention them and couldn't think of a Creed and Coldplay comparison

Let's not forget the whole "electronica" thing that was just the Prodigy and... nobody else? 

Oh and I just remembered Garbage! And the Cranberries! And the Cardigans! And Aqua! And Alanis Morrisette! And the whole of Lilith Fair! At least you can say that women finally got their fair shake in the '90s. 

Edited April 16 by Curt McGirt

[Death From Above]

GOT A MACHINE HEAD

BETTER THAN THE REST

[FireThunder]

On 4/15/2025 at 8:17 PM, Curt McGirt said:

What about LIVE. How fucking weird of a band that somehow got pushed to the moon.

As an aside, Spotify started putting Lakini's Juice on my 90s playlists. I am not complaining, tho.

The episode of One Hit Wonderland on Flagpole Sitta was an eye opener for me. A music critic makes a hit song and it haunts him for the rest of his life.

[zendragon]

14 hours ago, twiztor said:

this 100% will hurt my cred here in this folder, but Kid Rock's 1998 album Devil Without a Cause will always hold a place in my heart. He turns to shitty soft rock/fake country almost immediately afterwards, so i certainly don't still like his music, but that album (and, to be completely honest, his prior release Early Mornin' Stoned Pimp) can occasionally be heard bumping out of my speakers.

Memba when Kid Rock was the cool guy on MTV and not a guy doing shitty methed out Hank Jr cosplay?

[Mister TV]

15 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

*whispers* I didn't think Silverchair or Bush were really all that bad, I just wanted to mention them and couldn't think of a Creed and Coldplay comparison

Let's not forget the whole "electronica" thing that was just the Prodigy and... nobody else? 

Oh and I just remembered Garbage! And the Cranberries! And the Cardigans! And Aqua! And Alanis Morrisette! And the whole of Lilith Fair! At least you can say that women finally got their fair shake in the '90s. 

Electronica wise there was also The Chemical Brothers, Daft Punk, Moby, Air, and Fatboy Slim! All of them are still on my gym playlist.

I saw The Cranberries in concert multiple times and Garbage once, some of the best live shows I've seen.

[Curt McGirt]

Whew, I never thought of any of those bands. Big miss. 

But you just reminded me of Jamiroquai! 

[supremebve]

1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:

But you just reminded me of Jamiroquai! 

Jamiroquai is probably my number one draft pick of bands I'd probably really like, except I never actually got around to listening to them.

[Curt McGirt]

I was also reminded of my most hated artist of the '90s

Spoiler

Sheryl Crow

Spoilered in case your brain gets caught in the spell of songs you have heard so many times you want to stick pencils in your ears and end it forever. 

I'm watching Treme and someone was recording someone that sounded identical and it was clear they wanted to throw up over doing it too

[DragonZombie]

I like lot of music from 90s to below. I don't care much for music from above those decades. I like most of the genres too, I'm not very fussy like most humans are. I'm only fussy about food.

 

[RazorbladeKiss87]

On 4/16/2025 at 11:28 PM, FireThunder said:

As an aside, Spotify started putting Lakini's Juice on my 90s playlists. I am not complaining, tho.

The episode of One Hit Wonderland on Flagpole Sitta was an eye opener for me. A music critic makes a hit song and it haunts him for the rest of his life.

The album with Flagpole Sitta on it is a really solid alternative album. I always mean to check their other records out but never get to it. 

 

[RazorbladeKiss87]

2 releases I've been digging g this weekend:

Westside Gunn's "Heels Have Eyes"

It's an ep that was recorded quickly but it's still full of fly talk, coke rap to some dusty crate digger beats aka exactly what I want from an East Coast rapper. Doesn't over stay it's welcome and there's wrestling talk, of course. 

(Bonus for those who missed it is the Valentine's Day drop with a song called "Adam Page")

Julien Baker & TORRES- "Send A Prayer My Way"

This is really damn good. Kinda mellow, singer songwriter style indie. If you like the Bright Eyes record "I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning" I think you might dig this. The song "Bottom of a Bottle" hit really hard when it came on. 

[zendragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgbkuJo1ifU

New Alice Cooper featuring Robbie Krieger 

[Cobra Commander]

Just listened to the new Willie Nelson album "Oh What a Beautiful World" which was released on Thursday

Willie does sound 91 approaching 92 (Willie turns 92 on Tuesday) which is to be expected.

Every song was written by Rodney Crowell.

I liked “I Wouldn’t Be Me Without You”, “She’s Back In Town” and “Stuff That Works”.

[Ace]

Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, Soundgarden, and the White Stripes have been elected to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. Salt-N-Pepa and Warren Zevon will be given the Musical Influence award.

 

[Mister TV]

5 hours ago, Ace said:

Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, Soundgarden, and the White Stripes have been elected to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. Salt-N-Pepa and Warren Zevon will be given the Musical Influence award.

 

Zevon & Salt-N-Pepa should have gone into the regular HOF over Bad Company & Chubby Checker. Also, is it just American snobbery that's keeping Oasis out? I would put them at the same level of Soundgarden and slightly a head of White Stripes.

[The Natural]

6 hours ago, Ace said:

Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, Soundgarden, and the White Stripes have been elected to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. Salt-N-Pepa and Warren Zevon will be given the Musical Influence award.

 

About time for Cyndi Lauper. Soundgarden is bittersweet with Chris Cornell. Shame it didn't happen while he was here. Unfortunately you can say that a lot across various HOF. Oasis should have got in.

[supremebve]

7 hours ago, Ace said:

Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, Soundgarden, and the White Stripes have been elected to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. Salt-N-Pepa and Warren Zevon will be given the Musical Influence award.

 

I'm not saying Chubby Checker isn't a Hall of Famer, but I am asking what did he do recently that makes this the year to recognize that he's a Hall of Famer?  He strikes me as a guy who should have been a 1st ballot Hall of Famer or not a Hall of Famer at all.  I can see why his contribution to popular music was so profound that he has to be recognized but no one who wasn't between the ages of 12 and 16 at the time cares about that contribution at all.  Have you ever been in someone's car and they had The Twist on their playlist?  I don't understand why you would put him in now after holding him out for so long.  I understand that The Twist was a smash hit and apparently the only song to go number one twice in two different years during the rock era (which is an oddly specific yet vague stat that doesn't mean anything) but it does his achievements no good when you put him in so long after his peak that the audience doesn't have any connection to him or his music.  I guess what I'm trying to say for people like Chubby Checker or Dionne Warwick(The fact that she went in after Luther Vandross died is a tragedy, her induction could have been an entire Luther concert.  He loved her and remade a bunch of her songs.), why wait to induct them when they could have their moment in front of their fans, instead of their fans' grandkids?  Seriously, I'm 43-years-old, my mom is too young to care about Chubby Checker's music.  Seriously, this is like inducting Joe Namath in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2025.  The entire audience is going to be full of people who went on his Pro-Football Reference page looked at his numbers and saying, "pfft, why is this guy going in?" when there was a generation of fans who absolutely believe him to be a Hall of Famer.  We should not only give flowers when the person is still alive to smell them, but we should give honors at the time when the honor is the most significant.  Giving someone an honor when the majority of the reaction is going to be people shitting on the honor is essentially not giving the honor at all.  

[twiztor]

24 minutes ago, supremebve said:

I'm not saying Chubby Checker isn't a Hall of Famer, but I am asking what did he do recently that makes this the year to recognize that he's a Hall of Famer?  He strikes me as a guy who should have been a 1st ballot Hall of Famer or not a Hall of Famer at all.  I can see why his contribution to popular music was so profound that he has to be recognized but no one who wasn't between the ages of 12 and 16 at the time cares about that contribution at all.

Chubby Checker was ~18 when his version of that song released in 1960. He is now 83. His last major hit was in 1965. Yeah, i think it's safe to say that any influence he had is long past.

EDIT:
But i can't NOT share this bit from Wikipedia:
"In 2013, Checker sued HP over a WebOS application using his name. The application, before being pulled in September 2012, was used to unscientifically estimate penis size from shoe size. The district court said that Checker's trademark claim survived HP's motion to dismiss, but his other claims were dismissed per Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act."

Edited April 28 by twiztor

[Cobra Commander]

I'm guessing the Gallagher brothers aren't as enthusiastic about the usual R&RHOF payola as some other artists?