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Always enjoyed the 89 and 90 rumbles.  90 had a shit ton of star power with Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Andre, Dibiase. I believe it was also 90 when Patterson ribbed him by making him number 1 or 2 after knowing he was out late the night before and having a hang over.  Dibiase mentioned it either in his book or in a shoot.

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I watched the 95 Rumble this week at 2x speed (had to fill in gaps after watching AJPW on the treadmill) and it was brisk and harmless. I thought it was actually an excellent Michaels performance. I know it's less "impressive" because of the smaller time between entries but it played to his strengths: making things about him and bumping and feeding for people. The fact he doesn't always have a lot of compelling heel offense during his control segments wasn't an issue here because of the nature of the Rumble. He did a great job of throwing himself at people offensively given the confines. That was especially true in the final four when he just leapt at Luger. The fans really gave an appreciative pop when they realized it was coming down to Bulldog and Michaels too. Yeah, the only other over the top interesting thing in the entire Rumble was Murdoch coming in and punching everyone, but if you just follow Michaels throughout, it stays pretty entertaining and never wears out its welcome. Given the talent pool, it's better than if they had the full time differentials between entrances. Sometimes, less is the right choice.

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1 hour ago, paintedbynumbers said:

just heard Keith Lee and Mia Yim have covid. Has anyone else heard or reported this?

To clarify: there was a rumor going around this week about them having Covid, especially with Keith being gone for a couple of weeks. Mia denied it. She got tested earlier today and it came back positive.

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1 minute ago, Burgundy LaRue said:

To clarify: there was a rumor going around this week about them having Covid, especially with Keith being gone for a couple of weeks. Mia denied it. She got tested earlier today and it came back positive.

He had been working close with Drew who had it.  Hoping Keith is ok and that Mia does not have symptoms.  Not that there is a good time to get Covid but this is a horrible time. 

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All the Royal Rumble matches themselves after about 2001 blend together in my mind. 

1992 was obviously the best to me, which is not exactly a fringe opinion, but I would say that it's also probably the best-booked match WWE's ever put on. The way it weaves together storylines within the match so expertly is just wonderful.

On another note, I'm wondering if I even want to try to watch one episode of "Young Rock" on NBC, which I just got an ad for. They really nailed the '70s style in that one bit I saw in the ad, though. 

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13 minutes ago, Fighting a man with a perm said:

Kane's entrance music rings around the Emirates stadium as Arsenal come out for the second half. Fitting as Willian comes on as a sub, a man whose testicles I'd happily electrocute! 

Willian then made a couple of very good passes, one of which was wicked and should have led to a goal except for a nice recovery by United's defense.

You really should do these updates on the entrance music followed by crapping on one of your own players more often if only because then they seem to play better. Some people might call that superstition, but I've observed this happening twice in the past two weeks. Sounds like science to me!

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One of the big problems of the 95 Rumble is that all the star power were in other matches, Diesel, Bret, Undertaker, Razor, Bigelow.  It left the Royal Rumble guys like Mantaur, Well Dunn, Aldo Montoya and Kwang.  The only other guys in the match besides Shawn and Bulldog that were near the top of the card were Luger, Backlund and Owen, and Backlund and Owen were only in the match for a few seconds each.

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5 hours ago, paintedbynumbers said:

Always enjoyed the 89 and 90 rumbles.  90 had a shit ton of star power with Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Andre, Dibiase. I believe it was also 90 when Patterson ribbed him by making him number 1 or 2 after knowing he was out late the night before and having a hang over.  Dibiase mentioned it either in his book or in a shoot.

I also always enjoyed the 89 and 90 rumbles as well. DiBiase's storyline for the '90 Rumble was having to be # 1 as punishment for buying #30 in '89.

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Very random thought: Making Davey Boy put over HBK for the Euro title in England after he dedicated the match to his dying sister is just about the most low key sick and fucked up things the company has ever done.

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1994 ages well. 

First appearance of the big guy eliminates everyone trope. Its really the only time the crowd are into it.

The double elimination ending is done really well. They could have easily wiffed the landing.

My only real bugbear is Bret's injury and how he manages to not get eliminated despite everyone going for him. And I guess to a lesser extent Tenryu/Kabuki being brought in for a specific angle that goes nowhere.

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1 hour ago, Vgmastr said:

One of the big problems of the 95 Rumble is that all the star power were in other matches, Diesel, Bret, Undertaker, Razor, Bigelow.  It left the Royal Rumble guys like Mantaur, Well Dunn, Aldo Montoya and Kwang.  The only other guys in the match besides Shawn and Bulldog that were near the top of the card were Luger, Backlund and Owen, and Backlund and Owen were only in the match for a few seconds each.

I get the argument, but that sort of turns it into the Michaels show on a night where he has a ton to prove AND he's going over, so he was triple inspired. Plus, the shorter run time actually helps the thing given the lack of star power.

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Just watching the 92 Rumble and it prompted a random thought (I don’t remember this ever being covered in one of those by the numbers videos). What’s the longest timeframe covered by Rumble appearances (not most appearances or biggest gap between appearances, just longest time between first and last appearances)? After some quick checks I’m thinking it’s Taker with 26 years (91-17) and possibly Jarrett in no.2 with 25 (94-19 - I would have completely forgotten him if I hadn’t looked up the 19 match).

Am I missing anyone? 

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1993 on the other hand does not.

There's maybe 6 guys in the match who are still regularly on TV by the end of the year.

Flair goes back to WCW a few weeks later.

Backlund gets the longevity record for no real reason at all. He does a few high profile jobs to Shawn and Razor and then a total non factor till he turns on Bret about 18 months later.

Papa Shango is off TV by May and finished on house shows by November

Dibiase's last match is Summerslam.

Nasty Boys, Repo Man and Typhoon leave for WCW not long after.

Virgil and Koko B Ware turn up as a JTTS on Raw occasionally till mid 94. Owen Hart is sort of in this position too till Survivor Series. 

Lawler is back and forth with Memphis until his rape charges and then gone till Mania next year.

Max Moon and Damien Demento characters disappear shortly after this.

One shot for Tenryu and Colon. 

Perfect has a recurrence of his back injury late in the year. Theres also a teased feud with Lawler that goes nowhere.

Skinner, Terry Taylor, Tito Santana and Berzerker gone not long after. 

Earthquake has that weird on again off again feud with Yokozuna over 2 years that goes nowhere and for some reason, Earthquake wins the feud.

Savage is on commentary most of the year.

Just leaves the Headshrinkers, Undertaker, IRS, Tatanka, Martel, and Yokozuna.

All things considered, they could have done so much more building up Yokozuna here as an unstoppable monster given so many of these guys were of little consequence to the company.

 

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11 minutes ago, Kev said:

Just watching the 92 Rumble and it prompted a random thought (I don’t remember this ever being covered in one of those by the numbers videos). What’s the longest timeframe covered by Rumble appearances (not most appearances or biggest gap between appearances, just longest time between first and last appearances)? After some quick checks I’m thinking it’s Taker with 26 years (91-17) and possibly Jarrett in no.2 with 25 (94-19 - I would have completely forgotten him if I hadn’t looked up the 19 match).

Am I missing anyone? 

Duggan would be third I assume - 1988 to 2012

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22 minutes ago, sabremike said:

Very random thought: Making Davey Boy put over HBK for the Euro title in England after he dedicated the match to his dying sister is just about the most low key sick and fucked up things the company has ever done.

Shawn lobbied for that, anybody else would've refused to go over  him that night even if asked. Shawn claimed he wanted more heat going into the Survivor Series. It's crazy from an angle standpoint too because he knew he was going over Bret and none of the Hart members got their heat back. He could've atleast dropped it to Owen after who he worked in December when he returned instead of giving it HHH the way he did.

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6 minutes ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

Duggan would be third I assume - 1988 to 2012

Sounds right, I didn’t realise he’d appeared as late as that, assumed his last appearance was when he had that short roster run around 07ish. 
My initial thought was HBK but he’s only at 21 years (89-10).

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And after a little more digging (flicking through Rumble wiki entries), Goldust  is also up there with 21 (97-18) and was even close to topping it as he was on the 91 card teaming with Dusty but not the match itself.

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3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I also always enjoyed the 89 and 90 rumbles as well. DiBiase's storyline for the '90 Rumble was having to be # 1 as punishment for buying #30 in '89.

Yeah, that was great.

As great as 92 is, 90 is and will always be my favorite. The match and the fact its got my second favorite commentary team in Tony and Jesse makes it better, not to mention the roster. Everybody is somebody.

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