NCAAF - 2021 SPRING & OFFSEASON

[Eoae]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

PFF Tweeted that FSU and Clemson now have both inquired about SEC membership.

Lol, I'm for it only because it improves the chances that my alma mater, WVU, might get invited to join.  I don't think there chances of staying in a power conference are good otherwise.

[RIPPA]

For the record this is the tweet PFF based their tweet on

So basically on rando radio host from South Carolina

The only other people who have mentioned it was apparently a random Barstool guy tweeting about it 2 weeks ago (citing less sources than that tweet) and now Barstool bitching that they aren't being credited

[Dolfan in NYC]

So, now depending on what ND does (joining the ACC or whatever else crosses their idiot minds)....   Miami (FL) may be asking around about joining the B1G.  

[Brian Fowler]

How did ND wind up affiliated with the ACC anyway? Is it just because the conference was too weak to demand anything of them? Geographically (which granted means a lot less these days) they are right in the middle of the B1G. They have multi-decade rivalries with two B1G teams, and natural potential rivalries based just on location, and the Big Ten takes in a massively larger amount of revenue than the ACC.

[RIPPA]

4 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said:

How did ND wind up affiliated with the ACC anyway? Is it just because the conference was too weak to demand anything of them? Geographically (which granted means a lot less these days) they are right in the middle of the B1G. They have multi-decade rivalries with two B1G teams, and natural potential rivalries based just on location, and the Big Ten takes in a massively larger amount of revenue than the ACC.

The hooked up with them back when the Big East fell apart in 2012

This was the ND spin at the time

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Notre Dame's non-football programs had competed in the Big East since 1995, but with the conference losing Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the ACC and adding the likes of Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, SMU and Temple, Notre Dame clearly wanted to be a part of a conference with more familiar faces.

"The ACC is composed of some of the most highly respected universities in the country, and we at Notre Dame look forward to joining them," said Notre Dame President, Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C., in a statement. "With a mix of institutions - many of which are also private, similar to Notre Dame in size, and committed to excellence in research and undergraduate education - the ACC is an exceptionally good fit for us academically, as well as athletically."

 

[Dewar]

Clemson and Florida State won't end up in the SEC because South Carolina and Florida would do everything they could to block it. I mean, I would dump South Carolina for Clemson in an instant, but they can probably get enough votes to block the Tigers from getting in.

[Tabe]

11 hours ago, Brian Fowler said:

How did ND wind up affiliated with the ACC anyway? Is it just because the conference was too weak to demand anything of them? Geographically (which granted means a lot less these days) they are right in the middle of the B1G. They have multi-decade rivalries with two B1G teams, and natural potential rivalries based just on location, and the Big Ten takes in a massively larger amount of revenue than the ACC.

I think it's that the ACC was willing to let ND football remain independent. ND was wanting a conference for everything else because the realities of college sports demanded it. The ACC was cool with letting ND have whatever they wanted, something the B1G would never agree to. 

[Craig H]

That's essentially it.

[hammerva]

If you are a West Virginia fan you are begging Notre Dame stays in the ACC.   You only add teams in multiples of 2.   Not going to add just one team.  Maybe if 2 teams leave the SEC then the chances are greater because they definitely need 2 and probably 4  

 

[Chaos]

4 hours ago, hammerva said:

If you are a West Virginia fan you are begging Notre Dame stays in the ACC.   You only add teams in multiples of 2.   Not going to add just one team.  Maybe if 2 teams leave the SEC then the chances are greater because they definitely need 2 and probably 4  

 

West Virginia opting for the Big 12 will be one of those moves that gets quite the oral history about it in a couple of decades if they can't get back to the ACC or the B1G. That Big 12/Pac 12 partnership (if it happens) would do them ZERO favors.

[RIPPA]

Terry Bowden is taking a leave from UL-Monroe to be with his father

Rich Rodriguez will be the interim HC until Bowden returns

[dogwelder]

Longtime Florida State football coach Bobby Bowden dies at 91

[odessasteps]

Bobby somewhere is bringing Scott a new FSU starter jacket.

[Dolfan in NYC]

Lane Kiffin announced that his University of Mississippi football program now has reached 100% vaccination. 

I didn't think that (outside of their normal once in a decade win against Alabama) I'd ever say anything nice about Ole Miss, but damn.  Go Rebs!

[Eoae]

On 8/5/2021 at 12:07 PM, hammerva said:

If you are a West Virginia fan you are begging Notre Dame stays in the ACC.   You only add teams in multiples of 2.   Not going to add just one team.  Maybe if 2 teams leave the SEC then the chances are greater because they definitely need 2 and probably 4  

 

This.  I'm really rooting for the SEC to add Clemson, Fla State since it makes it likely the ACC looks to add four teams instead of (maybe?) two.

I'm not sure what the argument against adding FSU and Clemson are, aside from pissing off existing members who you may or may not care about that much.  If I'm commissioner, I'm probably willing to gamble that South Carolina will get over it.  What choice would they have?  They probably wouldn't have any good options to go elsewhere in the Power 5 (4?).  Clemson and FSU wouldn't bring in the media money or interest that Texas and Oklahoma bring, but they'd more than pull their weight in those regards.

 

[Dolfan in NYC]

This could go in the hockey thread, but it's more apropos here.  

 

Now that's interesting. 

[Pete]

Hawaii making the best out of a bad situation with their placeholder setup until the new stadium is built. Those should be some hot crowds with them playing on-campus for the first time in... ever, I think.

[Zimbra]

The NCAA decided that because Baylor covered up sexual assaults by both student athletes and non-athletes alike it doesn't count as an impermissible benefit and there's nothing the NCAA can do to punish them.

Absolutely the worst fucking people making the worst fucking choices from top to bottom.

[Craig H]

20 minutes ago, Zimbra said:

The NCAA decided that because Baylor covered up sexual assaults by both student athletes and non-athletes alike it doesn't count as an impermissible benefit and there's nothing the NCAA can do to punish them.

Absolutely the worst fucking people making the worst fucking choices from top to bottom.

The NCAA is the fucking worst. Jesus. They're making Trump's administration look sane by comparison.

[RIPPA]

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The Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC have had preliminary discussions about forming an alliance, likely built around scheduling but possibly other areas, sources told ESPN.

Commissioners George Kliavkoff (Pac-12), Kevin Warren (Big Ten) and Jim Phillips (ACC) have been in regular communication, and have also had some in-person discussions. Kliavkoff and Warren were together this week for Rose Bowl meetings. Pac-12 sources said all three commissioners met last week in Chicago.

Sources said the Big 12 is not currently included in discussions surrounding an alliance with other Power 5 conferences. Bowlsby told the Texas state senate on Aug. 2 that he thought there "are options for us to partner with other conferences. There may be opportunity for mergers."

Athletic directors in two of the leagues discussing an alliance told ESPN that nonconference scheduling likely would be the focus, but that there aren't many details yet. The SEC's addition of Texas and Oklahoma, plus commissioner Greg Sankey's involvement in proposing a 12-team expanded College Football Playoff model, has been seen as an attempt to consolidate power.

"There is some alignment in us against them a little bit," a Power 5 athletic director said.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32017916/sources-pac-12-big-ten-acc-preliminary-discussions-forming-alliance-likely-scheduling

[Robert C]

At this point, I want em to set up a system like European football.  The big 12 can be the equivalent whatever is below League Two now in England

[Dolfan in NYC]

Former Miami Hurricane Rashaun Jones was arrested today and charged with 1st Degree Murder for the 2006 execution-style killing of his teammate Bryan Pata. 

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/08/19/miami-football-teammate-arrested-in-bryan-pata-killing/

[Dolfan in NYC]

And here we go...

 

[hammerva]

If that alliance happens, the only playoffs the Big 12 teams will be seeing will be against James Madison, Sam Houston, or North Dakota State  

[RIPPA]

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The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 alliance became official Tuesday, with the three conferences coming together "on a collaborative approach surrounding the future evolution of college athletics and scheduling."

The three leagues emphasized common values and unanimous support impacting key topics affecting college athletes and schools in all sports. Sources say the Pac-12 has been the most aggressive of the three leagues in forming and encouraging the alliance.

"The historic alliance announced today between the Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten is grounded in a commitment to our student-athletes," new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff said in a statement. "We believe that collaborating together we are stronger in our commitment to addressing the broad issues and opportunities facing college athletics."

When news first broke of a potential alliance earlier this month, a Pac-12 source told ESPN that the league was a bit further along than the other two in building support and enthusiasm for the pact. Other sources in the league expected an announcement to come sooner.

Another source familiar with the discussions on Tuesday told ESPN, "The Pac-12 is driving this."

Kliavkoff has been clear in his mission to improve football in the Pac-12, saying he has been focused on enhancing access to the College Football Playoff and ways to boost football revenue, especially as the Pac-12 prepares to renegotiate its media rights agreement. He also told the San Jose Mercury News that the league will decide in the next few weeks whether it will explore possible expansion.

The gist of the alliance -- which a source said is in response to the shifting landscape of college athletics, but not necessarily a direct counter to the SEC on its way to becoming the first 16-team superconference -- is an ability to collaborate academically and athletically among some of the country's highest-regarded research institutions.

The bottom line is that there is no immediate or direct impact today on college football.

"The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 recognize the unique environment and challenges currently facing intercollegiate athletics, and we are proud and confident in this timely and necessary alliance that brings together like-minded institutions and conferences focused on the overall educational missions of our preeminent institutions," ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said in a statement. "The alliance will ensure that the educational outcomes and experiences for student-athletes participating at the highest level of collegiate athletics will remain the driving factor in all decisions moving forward."

Tuesday's alliance announcement included widespread football scheduling principles among the three leagues, as many game contracts are set for several years out. There is also a desire to see what a potential expanded CFP model looks like before adopting new scheduling strategies.

Teams from the three leagues are expected to start scheduling more games with one another, and individual leagues could make adjustments to their scheduling models. One possibility would be for the Pac-12 to reduce its number of league games from nine to eight, which would free up teams to play opponents from other Power 5 conferences, such as the Big Ten and ACC.

But across-the-board scheduling approaches won't come just yet. The Big Ten and Pac-12 announced a scheduling agreement in December 2011 that was set to begin in 2017. But the agreement ultimately fell apart on the Pac-12 side.

"We cannot repeat history," a source said.

Tuesday's announcement included mention of a scheduling alliance in football, women's basketball and men's basketball, which will go into effect "as soon as practical" based on existing contracts.

A working group of athletic directors will oversee the scheduling component and strategy. The group includes ADs from the ACC (Clemson's Dan Radakovich, North Carolina's Bubba Cunningham, Syracuse's John Wildhack and Virginia's Carla Williams), the Big Ten (Iowa's Gary Barta, Ohio State's Gene Smith and Penn State's Sandy Barbour) and the Pac-12 (Cal's Jim Knowlton, Oregon's Rob Mullens, Washington State's Pat Chun and USC's Mike Bohn).

The three leagues already have 68 football games scheduled to take place between 2022 and 2035. The number increases to 103 when including Notre Dame, which plays USC, Stanford and five ACC opponents annually.

Future men's and women's basketball schedules will feature more early and midseason games between the leagues, as well as annual events such as the ACC/Big Ten Challenge, which has been held since 1999.

Note that buried in the agreement is that it applies to men's and women's basketball too