Casey Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Eoae said: I take it they did something to offend you? Generally if a wrestling reporter basically calls the widow of a wrestler a liar and says she's in cohoots with a company to cover up his death - yeah, I'm offended. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 They did something to offend anyone with functioning moral sensibilities. Basically being ambulance chasing journalists trying to get the real story of how Brodie Lee died, with added baseless speculation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Casey said: Generally if a wrestling reporter basically calls the widow of a wrestler a liar and says she's in cohoots with a company to cover up his death - yeah, I'm offended. Ok. I haven’t seen whatever story you’re referring to, so I’ll take your word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 You don't need to take my word for it, it's literally on the front page of PW Torch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Casey said: You don't need to take my word for it, it's literally on the front page of PW Torch. Ok. I haven’t seen it and this is the first I’ve heard of it. Not sure what expect me to say. I wasn’t questioning you, so you don’t!5 need to take it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 It really comes off like trying to be the first on a major story that may or may not actually have happened. What that major story I don't get. Hell we haven't even had an autopsy. Makes me wonder if wrestling "journalists" were stepping all over themselves trying to be the first who knew Benoit was a murderer not a victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 6 hours ago, OSJ said: Wanna bet he had the same back doctor as Ric Rude? Rude was just collecting on a Lloyd's of London policy because even though he could work, he had a back that was so bad from repeated bumping that any doctor would have told Lloyd's that he qualified as disabled, yeah? Which is to ask/point out that these doctors likely weren't cranks, but that both Rude and Michaels probably shouldn't have been bumping anymore considering how destructive bumping is to the body over time. Especially for guys like Rude and Michaels, who are athletic, sometimes wild bumpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Meanie Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Eoae said: Ok. I haven’t seen whatever story you’re referring to, so I’ll take your word for it. Long story short, he basically claimed that Brodie died of COVID, his wife is a liar, and it's a huge cover-up on AEW's part. Once he was called out on it, he backtracked, and pulled the "I would never" to the thing he just did, said people (and the backlash) made him feel bad, and used the "I have mental health issues" excuse card. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 Fuck Bruce Mitchell. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Snowden/Evil Clown from here can go fuck right off too with his "I thought it was brave of you to write it" comment to Bruce Mitchell. There was nothing "brave" about what Bruce wrote. It was fucking stupid. Snowden is about the least bright bulb out there. Feels like he's a hair away from coming back on here to proliferate his dumb as fuck MMA opinionz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Rushing into a needlessly inflammatory, accusatory stance with zero evidence of fuck all amounts to some asshole looking for attention at the expense of the grieving. Fire him/them into the sun and ignore them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 It's bad when Rovert is on the correct side of a situation and airing dirty laundry on Alba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custos Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 I've been a Torch subscriber for a couple of years now and have really enjoyed hearing the diverse range of opinions and analysis across their various contributors, even/especially those that are different from my own position. This is not that. This is a callous and hurtful disregard for a community of grieving friends, family and well-wishers of a beloved man. It is also a mind boggling lapse in editorial judgement on the part of Wade Keller to let this see the light of day barely 24 hours removed from the terrible news - I had naively thought him better than that. I'm not big on performative outrage but I don't plan to give Bruce Mitchell a lick of attention in the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said: Rude was just collecting on a Lloyd's of London policy because even though he could work, he had a back that was so bad from repeated bumping that any doctor would have told Lloyd's that he qualified as disabled, yeah? Which is to ask/point out that these doctors likely weren't cranks, but that both Rude and Michaels probably shouldn't have been bumping anymore considering how destructive bumping is to the body over time. Especially for guys like Rude and Michaels, who are athletic, sometimes wild bumpers. I work in insurance. A key point in any policy timeline is assessing the change where total and permanent disability policies went from "own" occupation based to "any" instead. (I.e. going from being considered unlikely to ever return to their pre-disability occupation to being considered unlikely to go back to any they are able to do by virtue of their education, training or experience). I marked out heavily during the training session when I pieced together from the training material examples that the likes of policies held by Rude and Hawk were largely responsible for global change on this scale. Edited December 28, 2020 by RolandTHTG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: I work in insurance. A key point in any policy timeline is assessing the change where total and permanent disability policies went from "own" occupation based to "any" instead. (I.e. going from being considered unlikely to ever return to their pre-disability occupation to being considered unlikely to go back to any they are able to do by virtue of their education, training or experience). I marked out heavily during the training session when I pieced together from the training material examples that the likes of policies held by Rude and Hawk were largely responsible for global change on this scale. Yeah, this being the real world, you can only catch insurance people off guard a couple of times, before they go "hey, wait a minute...". In wrestling, hardly anyone ever learns a lesson. Loyds learned theirs pretty quickly, all things considered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 In hindsight, I wonder if the change of policy had much impact on why managers completely died out around that time also. Yes, Vince found them too southern, but the timing is coincidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said: In hindsight, I wonder if the change of policy had much impact on why managers completely died out around that time also. Yes, Vince found them too southern, but the timing is coincidental. Never thought of it that way, but that is a very intriguing thing to consider. Who was the last guy to be considered a full fledged manager in WWF? I was thinking Cornette, but it's probably heel Paul Bearer (w/ Mankind and Kane). But becoming a manager after being a wrestler pretty much ended with Dibiase, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Pretty much - some argument to Arn or Michael Hayes maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Re: Brodie Lee Honestly, when someone says "lung issues" and Mayo Clinic to me, I think lung cancer. I have some personal experience that condition and have met a few young-ish people who appeared healthy only a couple months earlier but passed away quickly after their diagnosis. I'm told there's a lot of room in the lungs for a tumor to grow without causing obvious symptoms, so it's not unusual to be in advanced stage by the time you see a doctor and get the diagnosis. It's one of the reasons survival rates for lung cancer are relatively low. Was it rumored that Brodie had Covid? I never heard that. Little hard to believe that Brodie both had Covid and died from it without someone hinting at that on social media or leaking it to Meltzer. None of the comments I've seen from AEW or fellow wrestlers are of the "It was so sudden. I'm in shock" variety, so I'm thinking the locker room knew what was going on with him. The Torch piece seems tasteless and grasping at straws to be relevant or whatever, but just ignoring it seems the better play. I'm of the mind that "performative outrage" just draws more eyeballs and gives the offender the publicity he's seeking in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Eoae said: Re: Brodie Lee Was it rumored that Brodie had Covid? I never heard that. His wife in the post noting he had passed away said that he had succumbed to a "non-Covid lung" issue (or along those lines). Now when someone specifically notes that it wasn't one thing (while not stating what it actually was), this can often be a cover-up (Which is probably why various reporters jumped on it) but it's much more likely that she was just trying to head off the internet speculation that as soon as anyone hears "lungs" they immediately insist it was covid and start blaming the victim for not being careful enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Craig H said: Snowden/Evil Clown from here can go fuck right off too with his "I thought it was brave of you to write it" comment to Bruce Mitchell. There was nothing "brave" about what Bruce wrote. It was fucking stupid. Snowden is about the least bright bulb out there. Feels like he's a hair away from coming back on here to proliferate his dumb as fuck MMA opinionz. Snowden has always been a jerk. He thinks that because he wrote an instantly-remaindered book on MMA that he's some sort of expert. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 He's actually worse now, than he was when he was on here. He's decided he's an internet tough guy, so if anyone criticises him (and he goes all out to invite criticism) he's all "PM me your address and we'll settle this". Dude is in his mid 40s by now, and I've met eight year olds with more emotional maturity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Ot, whatever happened to Brawn Stroman? He was on the RAW after SS and they seemed to be setting up a heel turn (he attacked Adam Pearce after Pearce introduced Brawn with the phrase "Last but not least..." and Brawn took it as an insult even though he was literally the last person in the ring given a chance to speak. Ugh. Who writes this stuff? Where was I...?) I don't think he's appeared since. Injury? Covid? Christmas gig as the Abominable Snowman in a live-action revival of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Eoae said: Who writes this stuff? Talentless hacks who can't even get a gig writing for shitty sitcoms, supervised by a 75 year old cocaine addict who sleeps 2 hours a night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Eoae said: Ot, whatever happened to Brawn Stroman? He was on the RAW after SS and they seemed to be setting up a heel turn (he attacked Adam Pearce after Pearce introduced Brawn with the phrase "Last but not least..." and Brawn took it as an insult even though he was literally the last person in the ring given a chance to speak. Ugh. Who writes this stuff? Where was I...?) I don't think he's appeared since. Injury? Covid? Christmas gig as the Abominable Snowman in a live-action revival of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer? Injury if I recall correctly. He was the one who was originally supposed to face Drew at TLC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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