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14 hours ago, odessasteps said:

Presumably, every subsection of Twitter is as bad as every other. 
 

from the things that showed up in my timeline, it seemed like it was just  people saying Jericho was old and fat

All I follow is friends and a few comedians and I still get things that enrage me. I think twitter brings out the anger in everyone.

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Jim Ross was discussing HBK's career on his Grilling JR podcast and said that Vince kept Shawn on the payroll during Michael's retirement and paid him $750,000 a year from '98-2002.  Anyone know how much active guys were making during that period?  Just wondering how 750K compares to whatever Shawn was making when active.

JR said Vince resisted pressure to cut or void the contract because "that's just the kind of guy he is."  Seems Vince has a lot of affection for Shawn.  Of course, JR also pointed out that Shawn was interested in going to WCW to work with Hall and Nash, so Vince also had a very good business reason to keep HBK under contract.  

His comments about WCW are interesting.  JR didn't really express an opinion, but still gave me the impression that he thinks Michaels "lost his smile" due to the pressure of being a top guy in the company more than the back injury.  There's been some talk over the years that WCW would have liked to have Michaels in the NWO if he had gotten out of his contract.  

HBK leading the nWo would have been something.  Though, as much as I dislike Hogan, he put 100% into the heel turn and completely reinvented himself.  I tend to think most guys wouldn't have embraced the role the way he did.

 

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41 minutes ago, Eoae said:

Jim Ross was discussing HBK's career on his Grilling JR podcast and said that Vince kept Shawn on the payroll during Michael's retirement and paid him $750,000 a year from '98-2002.  Anyone know how much active guys were making during that period?  Just wondering how 750K compares to whatever Shawn was making.

JR said Vince resisted pressure to cut on void the contract because "that's just the kind of guy he is."  Seems Vince has a lot of affection for Shawn.  Of course, JR also pointed out that Shawn was interested in going to WCW to play with Hall and Nash, so Vince also had a very good business reason to keep HBK under contract.  

i've said for years that it's pretty "miraculous" that HBK's back was so bad he couldn't wrestle for years, but just when his contract was up and he was about to stop getting paid, he could work a full time schedule again.

i've pondered for a long time whether the "back injury" was an excuse to get out of his contract so he could join his buddies in WCW. or at least, to what extent the damage was.

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4 hours ago, Eoae said:

HBK leading the nWo would have been something.  Though, as much as I dislike Hogan, he put 100% into the heel turn and completely reinvented himself.  I tend to think most guys wouldn't have embraced the role the way he did.

While Hogan changing it up is commendable, watching it all back is excruciating. The only reason any of it worked was because Hogan during WCW’s peak was off filming bad movies, while Hall & Nash + the rest carried the nWo brand. If it was all Hogan, it wouldn’t have lasted more than six months. The initial turn did legitimize the group, but it was the WWF invaders who brought it down to earth, where it belonged.

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As entertaining as Hall & Nash were as the "Invaders", all that went out the window when Hogan joined up. The dude had past his shelf-life in 1987, I had no interest watching him soil WCW with his unwelcome presence.

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4 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

Watching it THEN was excruciating! ?

Shawn and Hogan both in the NWO... good lord. 

I lived through Hogan in WCW (and wish I didn't), the very idea of Michaels in WCW nauseates me strangely.

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4 hours ago, twiztor said:

i've said for years that it's pretty "miraculous" that HBK's back was so bad he couldn't wrestle for years, but just when his contract was up and he was about to stop getting paid, he could work a full time schedule again.

i've pondered for a long time whether the "back injury" was an excuse to get out of his contract so he could join his buddies in WCW. or at least, to what extent the damage was.

Wanna bet he had the same back doctor as Ric Rude?

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44 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

Watching it THEN was excruciating! ?

Shawn and Hogan both in the NWO... good lord. 

You know some things back then I absolutely hated. But looking at this stuff again I completely had a 180 on. Things like Mongo, Buff Bagwell, the actual Blood Runs Cold matches, Colonel Parker, etc... Hogan’s act is still impossible to get into. I would even say that Steiner in the nWo dragged it down further when he was Hogan’s sidekick, and then Hogan’s shit rubbing more onto Bischoff, who’s ego exploded.

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