Reed Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 There's a difference between finding valid reasons and making excuses. Yeah, Triple H's promos were a problem, bit if Daniel Bryan was a genuine top star, would that have really stopped him? Probably not. Likewise, the whole "CM Punk/Daniel Bryan don't draw because their fans download stuff instead of buying it" taking point seems a bit silly too. Bryan can't draw because his fanbase is 98% criminals!? Triple H is not to blame for every single thing that goes wrong in wrestling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 When was the last time the WWE invested a ton of money in getting a guy over? Like Lex Express levels? Daniel Bryan getting a Prius Lex Express to rally the nation into getting behind him in getting an opportunity to become the face of the company would be awesome A vegan food truck. Too bad there's no evil Yokozuna to slam on an Air craft carrier these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Does anyone have a good number, as it pertains to illegal ppv downloads? It has to at least be in the 10's of thousands. That's alot of money. It's probably not the sole reason, but it's definitely a big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Assuming those people would have bought it in the first place. Which is a big if, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 It's one reason why giving away the PPVs to subsidize the WWE Network might not be the world's worst idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hey guys. Remember a few weeks ago when we couldn't stop talking about what was going to happen next? When half the roster was involved in a storyline and given actual purpose? Now we're stuck debating why the one universally over guy on the roster isn't a draw and whether its wrong that big show stole his taunt and hijacked his angle. All I know is when Bryan was on top my interest was up. Now that big show is in top I couldn't care what happens next. I'm more interested in the 8th tamina snuka push. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Well, if you think I am blaming Triple H for this you haven't read my posts But in all seriousness, I DO believe that Bryan's most vocal fans are not paying to watch him on PPV or watching every single RAW match that he has when it is happening. They hear Bryan fought Cesaro and they run to torrents or YouTube to get their fix. By comparison, I think Cena's supporters.. the younger crowd and the wait for it.... CASUAL fan do pony up (or make their parents pony up) for the shows. Listen, ten-year old Jack is not hopping on the net and finding the best way to download fucking B-PPVs.. He is pleading with his parents to buy a PPV because his hero Cena is fighting Rock or they hear Cena will be in the main segment on RAW and make sure to turn it back on and watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Casual fans are not paying fifty bucks to watch pay per views. Once you part with that much money, it is not a casual interest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Now we're stuck debating why the one universally over guy on the roster isn't a draw... Cena isn't a draw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 From the looks of things now, not much of one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Casual fans are not paying fifty bucks to watch pay per views. Once you part with that much money, it is not a casual interest. No, a group of casual fans are splitting that $50 bucks 3 or 4 ways with the one "hard core spend money on every PPV fan to watch" Or hitting the bar to watch because it happens to be on there... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Casual fans are not paying fifty bucks to watch pay per views. Once you part with that much money, it is not a casual interest. You would be surprised. Take my uncle for one.. He doesn't watch RAW every week and barely ever watches SD! but did he buy WrestleMania with Rock vs. Cena? You bet. Did he buy Brock Lesnar's return matches? You bet. Did he buy WMXXVI because Taker was fighting HBK and HBK's career was on the line? You bet. He's not alone out there... These guys are household names. Maybe if WWE could find a way to keep an angle hot Daniel Bryan and CM Punk would gain some of that crossover appeal but their writers are not good enough and are also overworked.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hope they enjoy Phantom Menace and the latest Limp Biscuit album. Wait it is not 1999? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Casual fans are not paying fifty bucks to watch pay per views. Once you part with that much money, it is not a casual interest. You would be surprised. Take my uncle for one.. He doesn't watch RAW every week and barely ever watches SD! but did he buy WrestleMania with Rock vs. Cena? You bet. Did he buy Brock Lesnar's return matches? You bet. Did he buy WMXXVI because Taker was fighting HBK and HBK's career was on the line? You bet. He's not alone out there... These guys are household names. Maybe if WWE could find a way to keep an angle hot Daniel Bryan and CM Punk would gain some of that crossover appeal but their writers are not good enough and are also overworked.. Big difference between Wrestlemania and these B shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Cena is a draw. Easily the biggest draw on the roster. He is not even close the being universally over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victor Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 When Cena went down and the ratings went down too, the WWE came to the conclusion they had nobody to carry the brand without him and that Bryan was not that guy whence his downward push. That may have something to do with Cena coming back so quickly. Bryan was not bringing in the crowds or the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 You can say that about every top guy in the company post-Rock/Austin, though. This guy from Westbury might have something to say about that. Cena's been at top for almost 10 years. That is unprecedented in anything outside of like being president of the U.S. Maybe people are just plumb naive to think DB was really "the guy" now. I mean, if he had the happy ending people have been bitching about, do you really see him being able to sell someone further down the card to people? Like really make people think someone is a threat the way John Cena can? But that doesn't matter. DB's fans will find something to gripe about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Casual fans are not paying fifty bucks to watch pay per views. Once you part with that much money, it is not a casual interest. You would be surprised. Take my uncle for one.. He doesn't watch RAW every week and barely ever watches SD! but did he buy WrestleMania with Rock vs. Cena? You bet. Did he buy Brock Lesnar's return matches? You bet. Did he buy WMXXVI because Taker was fighting HBK and HBK's career was on the line? You bet. He's not alone out there... These guys are household names. Maybe if WWE could find a way to keep an angle hot Daniel Bryan and CM Punk would gain some of that crossover appeal but their writers are not good enough and are also overworked.. Big difference between Wrestlemania and these B shows. Sure but I also mentioned Lesnar though I would say his appeal is wearing off. Lets think about this though.. Cena is a proven draw and a household name. Maybe his fans trend younger but they will get their parents to put RAW on and he's also a household name so someone who doesn't follow wrestling might flip through the channels and say "hey, it's Cena.. lets see what he's up to" How many times do we have a RAW discussion on here and it lasts a week? How many posters come in a few days later and add their thoughts? They aren't watching RAW when it airs. Maybe they DVR'd it but most likely they went online and cherry picked certain parts of the show.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 But buy rates and ratings have continually fell with him at the top. How is it when Bryan gets a shot and ratings go down a little, he is not a draw. But Cena is never blamed for declining buy rates or ratings? I don't give a shit about anything beyond what I like, but people whoring for ratings should be consistent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 There's a difference between finding valid reasons and making excuses. Yeah, Triple H's promos were a problem, bit if Daniel Bryan was a genuine top star, would that have really stopped him? Probably not. Likewise, the whole "CM Punk/Daniel Bryan don't draw because their fans download stuff instead of buying it" taking point seems a bit silly too. Bryan can't draw because his fanbase is 98% criminals!? Triple H is not to blame for every single thing that goes wrong in wrestling. Just CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, and Brock Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I don't think Cena has that "thing" like a Hogan/Rock/Austin did. Not on a level where you give shit about his extra stuff. It seems on the whole, people wish Cena would shut up and cut out his extra shit. Most smart people love his in-ring. Everything else is the turnoff. With that said, I actually agree that D-Bry doesn't have that "thing" either. But in an age where WWE feels like they can condition fans to cheer for who they want, it seems to me that the effort wasn't really there. Being outgunned and outsmarted doesn't bode well for a top babyface on a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 You guys are forgetting that Bryan did destroy everyone whenever it was a fair fight. I'm not going to blame Triple H, a heel, for doing heel shit.. He stacked the deck against Bryan and Bryan overcame the odds plenty of times. I'm telling you, it's the schedule to blame.. The writers needed to get from point A to point B and simply could not figure out a way to fill in the blanks... There were people on here complaining about Bryan taking a beating from four men a week into the angle. The schedule sucks, the writers aren't good, Vince has no patience and the fans (including posters here) have no patience.. Nobody is ever going to take the crown from Cena if these issues go unresolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I don't have an issue with how Bryan was booked. It was making the entire under card look spineless and pathetic for weeks that was the problem. But that has been going on for years. Ever since the show went from focusing on Steve Austin to Vince McMahon and his dopey spoiled kids power fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Casual fans are not paying fifty bucks to watch pay per views. Once you part with that much money, it is not a casual interest. No, a group of casual fans are splitting that $50 bucks 3 or 4 ways with the one "hard core spend money on every PPV fan to watch" Or hitting the bar to watch because it happens to be on there... That second one doesn't put any money into the WWE's coffers. Hence why they would occasionally try to shut that sort of thing down back in the old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 But buy rates and ratings have continually fell with him at the top. How is it when Bryan gets a shot and ratings go down a little, he is not a draw. But Cena is never blamed for declining buy rates or ratings? idk. Attendance at shows sucks when the people know he isn't going to be there. And as someone who has actually paid for a PPV like ever (fuck you guys btw), you shouldn't be asking "why aren't people buying them" you should be asking "why are people buying them?" Summerslam 2010 featured a bunch of new guys, guys who have been around but no one gave a shit about, Edge, and John Cena. I brought the PPV because the story of the Nexus vs the WWE was done good enough for me to buy it. Why should I want to pay to see DB finally get pushed past da glass ceiling? Where is the drama in that? Why do I give a fuck if I am not a fan of the guy? You can make the crowd do anything if you are charismatic enough and/or do it right. That doesn't mean that everyone is there to chant "YES!" for the guy. It just means people got caught up in the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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