Ultimo Necro Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Everyone is sleeping on the Spinebuster at 14 seconds... On a team-mate no less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturmCRF Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I'm not concerned that they're burying Bryan by a long stretch, he's still massively over and can slot right back into a main event at any point against whoever, same as Punk. What bothers me is that they've put together a Survivor Series card that I'm genuinely not sure I can be bothered paying for and staying up till 4AM for, when I took a day off work the following Monday to do exactly that. All it'll take is at least one traditional elimination match and I'll probably still order it, but Big Show vs Orton and Cena vs Del Rio has to be the most uninspiring pair of main events for a major PPV in years. Big Show and Orton are both great performers, but they're the two stalest characters in WWE. Cena can be incredible when he's up against an interesting opponent, and they've put him in what seems like his tenth match with Del Rio in two years. My only interest in either match is that the Champions retain decisively so we can get some fresher matches at the next PPV, which is far from the greatest motivation for spending £16. Punk and Bryan vs The Wyatts will probably be excellent, but they'll be fighting each other all over Raw and Smackdown for weeks afterwards too. Again, all they need to do is pad out the card with a couple of 5 on 5 midcarder fests and I'll be more than happy to grin and bear the rest of it, but the main event scene really has taken an epic turn for the turgid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Why lately do they wait until the day of the show to fill out the card? Seems like ever since SS they have gone into the PPVs with four-five matches announced and just added a few during the live broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I think it's cool that Big Show is doing "Bryan's thing". Just as I think that it is great for Bryan that Hunter putted him at the level of Jericho and Edge. I don't see Bryan as a top guy anyway, I'm fine with him "just" having great matches and being a fan favorite. The reason that it bugs me, is that Bryan came up with something to get himself over, but the company is ok with letting the guy that they actually want to push take it as his own. When AJ did it, it was because she was in an angle with Bryan and antagonizing him with it. It's not the same. Consider that, if you don't actually have first-hand experience of it, you're taking Gonzalez's word for gospel. It really isn't super strange that The Big Show is doing the chant, considering that AJ has done it (in Bryan or Punk-related angles) and Del Rio has done it (in unrelated angles). Big Show has also done it all of two separate RAW occasions (I don't watch Smackdown any more). I believe it is still very much associated, both within the WWE and especially among the fanbase. So, it's not like they've just had it visibly yanked from Bryan and put on another performer. Finally, and most importantly, consider that your argument depends on information you got from Gonzalez. Fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I had to live thru Vader being jobbed out to Edge and Al Snow and Sabu jobbing to Doug Williams. The ROHbots need to learn to deal. Had to live through Sabu jobbing to Doug Williams? You make it sound like Doug Williams is Garrett Bischoff. There is nothing wrong with Doug Williams. Isn't the term ROHbots completely dated now anyway? It's not even the same fucking company anymore as it was during Gabe's days. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I feel like the amount of television WWE produces weekly along with a PPV every month is ultimately what causes a lot of these hot angles to fail. Forget the Attitude Era, wrestling was red hot... Austin/Rock were massive stars, they were able to overcome terrible booking. Remember with Austin the double pin against Taker/Kane a couple months into his title reign? I think the internet would have shit on that completely. Back to the point.. I don't think the WWE writers are good enough to produce this much television. If the Bryan v. Authority angle happens in 1992.. they could have built towards Bryan v. Orton or Bryan v. HHH for months. These days they have put themselves in a position where Bryan and Orton have to face one another sooner than later and then they need a selling point to ANOTHER PPV 3 weeks out.. so they run a rematch. That's why we have terrible finishes and the angle loses steam. Maybe more talented writers find a way to keep it interesting but you have to admit.. it's a lot of fucking television especially with Bryan appearing on both RAW and SD! every week. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I had to live thru Vader being jobbed out to Edge and Al Snow and Sabu jobbing to Doug Williams. The ROHbots need to learn to deal.Had to live through Sabu jobbing to Doug Williams? You make it sound like Doug Williams is Garrett Bischoff. There is nothing wrong with Doug Williams. Isn't the term ROHbots completely dated now anyway? It's not even the same fucking company anymore as it was during Gabe's days. Don't even bother, Eddie. Look who you're talkin to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I just try to appreciate the good wrestling in WWE with zero expectations about how well someone will be pushed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 For what it'sworth,the crowd stayed chanting Si for Del Rio the night after Mania on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I feel like the amount of television WWE produces weekly along with a PPV every month is ultimately what causes a lot of these hot angles to fail. Forget the Attitude Era, wrestling was red hot... Austin/Rock were massive stars, they were able to overcome terrible booking. Remember with Austin the double pin against Taker/Kane a couple months into his title reign? I think the internet would have shit on that completely. Back to the point.. I don't think the WWE writers are good enough to produce this much television. If the Bryan v. Authority angle happens in 1992.. they could have built towards Bryan v. Orton or Bryan v. HHH for months. These days they have put themselves in a position where Bryan and Orton have to face one another sooner than later and then they need a selling point to ANOTHER PPV 3 weeks out.. so they run a rematch. That's why we have terrible finishes and the angle loses steam. Maybe more talented writers find a way to keep it interesting but you have to admit.. it's a lot of fucking television especially with Bryan appearing on both RAW and SD! every week. It was also the specific PPVs they had. Hell in the Cell pretty much had to be an Orton/Bryan blow off which would have been the equivalent of the Austin/Rock blowoff being two months after Deadly Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I really don't feel I have to watch PPVS anymore anyway. RAW is enough and sometimes more entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlSchool Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 WWEShop.com with another buy one, get one free DVD sale. Just picked up 6 blu-rays (Mid South, Triple H, Best of IYH, Bret Hart Dungeon Collection, The Attitude Era DVD, and ECW Vol. 2) for $70. They have a code to use for anything over $60, which includes 20% off and free shipping. When I checked out, they didn't have the Goldberg DVD, and now I'm kicking myself for not getting the Mankind instead of something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Reading through the past few pages, I don't really have anything constructive to add to the argument, but I did start thinking about how often the top tier guys face each other. Is it fair to say that in today's WWE, something that separates well thought of main eventers from guys perceived as boring is the ability to make the same match seem different month after month? For example, Bryan could fight Orton at three PPVs in a row and the build and feel for all of them would be different, while Del Rio could fight Orton three PPVs in a row and while the match quality would be good, I wouldn't ever feel like the story is progressing, or that any match past the first is required viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquariumDrinker Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've not considered it as Big Show stealing the Yes! chant so much as him showing solidarity with Bryan in his fight with the Authority. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've not considered it as Big Show stealing the Yes! chant so much as him showing solidarity with Bryan in his fight with the Authority. Except that's over, and done with. Bryan lost the fight, end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 so we're one Randy Orton injury away from Daniel Bryan selling out to Authority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've not considered it as Big Show stealing the Yes! chant so much as him showing solidarity with Bryan in his fight with the Authority. Except that's over, and done with. Bryan lost the fight, end of story. Get outta here. Bryan has got a match with Triple H at 'Mania. Put money on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've not considered it as Big Show stealing the Yes! chant so much as him showing solidarity with Bryan in his fight with the Authority.Except that's over, and done with. Bryan lost the fight, end of story.Get outta here. Bryan has got a match with Triple H at 'Mania. Put money on it. WHAT!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've not considered it as Big Show stealing the Yes! chant so much as him showing solidarity with Bryan in his fight with the Authority. Except that's over, and done with. Bryan lost the fight, end of story. Get outta here. Bryan has got a match with Triple H at 'Mania. Put money on it. There are just so many possible directions they could go with for Bryan at Mania. HHH and Show are possibilities. Beardy and the Best teaming at Survivor Series can be the start of a long-term partnership, leading to an Indie Powers explode angle. HHH can lose confidence in Orton and make Sheamus his new face of the WWE, leading to Sheamus-Bryan and lots of references to their short match. Maybe Total Divas can lead to them deciding that Cena-Bryan II is a legitimate Wrestlemania match (although the Summerslam buy rates say maybe not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I really, really wanted HBK/Bryan at some point. Damnit. Personally, I see the aforementioned "Indie Powers Explode" angle happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Shawn is never gonna wrestle again. Give up that pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've not considered it as Big Show stealing the Yes! chant so much as him showing solidarity with Bryan in his fight with the Authority. Except that's over, and done with. Bryan lost the fight, end of story. Is Bryan's fight w/ the Authority really over? Who's behind the Wyatt Family going after him? The devil made me do it? As much as I don't want the devil to turn out to be HHH pulling the strings for Bray Wyatt. There's still so many places to go creatively for a group of backwoods cultists to just end up as HHH flunkies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I had to live thru Vader being jobbed out to Edge and Al Snow and Sabu jobbing to Doug Williams. The ROHbots need to learn to deal. Had to live through Sabu jobbing to Doug Williams? You make it sound like Doug Williams is Garrett Bischoff. There is nothing wrong with Doug Williams. Isn't the term ROHbots completely dated now anyway? It's not even the same fucking company anymore as it was during Gabe's days. Nothing against Doug Williams. But I was not happy with Sabu losing to John Cena. The people getting up in arms about Punk and Bryan are ROHbots. I remember Edge's win but when the hell did Al Snow beat Vader? It was a Raw in October 98. Sgt.Slaughter recruited Vader to get rid of Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 It was September 28th, 1998. I'm watching that episode right now. The video package that opens the show is pretty great. But, yeah, Vic is actually right. Vader gets beat by Snow when he attacks Vader with the Head mannequin. VADER. sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) I've not considered it as Big Show stealing the Yes! chant so much as him showing solidarity with Bryan in his fight with the Authority. Except that's over, and done with. Bryan lost the fight, end of story. Is Bryan's fight w/ the Authority really over? Who's behind the Wyatt Family going after him? The devil made me do it? ALL THOSE ANSWERS AND MORE ON MONDAY NIGHT RAW I think Punk Vs. Bryan is more likely than HBK Vs. Bryan, but I obviously can't name my sources. Edited November 19, 2013 by _MJ_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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