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1.) I really hated the end to Ambrose/Rollins ironman. They just shrugged off the whole match and went go-go-go in the overtime.

2.) Rollins has been better since hitting the main roster, presumably because he's not working with guys who will bring out the worst in him (quite the opposite), he has use of great agents, far more in the way of constraints, and has mostly been in focused tag matches.

3.) From what I've seen I don't think Zayn has worked quite like he did when he was Generico. He's adapting and it's doing him a lot of good I think.

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I think the real Davey hatred comes from his size, and that he wrestles like Benoit(who is now a touchy subject).

I said the essentially the same thing months ago and was pretty much shouted down. It was when he really started cosplaying Benoit with the hair and the vest that people really turned on him. Before he debuted in ROH he was on his way to being a new Indy darling.
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I still feel like the Benoit situation led to a lot of people in our group to look at wrestling a different way and to find different ways to enjoy it, to emphasize certain aspects as good and to turn our back on some old excessive workrate mainstays. I think we really took a look at how wrestling matches worked and found different things to value and like. A lot of us came to find a new appreciation of things like match layout and working a crowd, in working smart instead of working hard, at the why behind moves instead of just the how  they were executed or how much wrestlers did. Richards isn't just a dinosaur when it comes to a lot of our tastes but he's the logical evolution of a dinosaur. He's some crazy horrific lizard man gone wrong. 

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Can anyone point to a Davey Richards comedy match?

 

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When people ask why I think indy wrestling is stupid, I link to this. Of course they get mad, but what can I do?

 

 

I, too haven't been expose to much Richards. I remember watching a clip of him and some other joker was supposed to be a 'press conference' for the ROH deal on Sinclair. Both guys had trouble looking at the camera, one of them was prolly stoned, and I rather watch Alicia Fox try to talk. I hope someone was slapped for that.

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I don't know the best way to say this and have it make sense, but I've always gotten the impression that Davey has a really weird sense of humor or a quirky personality, and when you combine that with his super serious in ring persona, it's really hard to make heads or tails of him some times. Like, if you had someone who was known as a more comedic character cosplay as Benoit or say 'I'm smarter than Japanese people' in the middle of a Dragongate six man maybe, MAYBE, people understand its a character quirk, but when you do that and you do these masturbatory respect sequences in every match, no one can actually get a read on who Davey is as a person/performer. So the only thing that we have to judge Davey on are his matches, because we can't actually point to consistent character work or anything like that. For those fans who are not really in to the style he has been using the past few years, it becomes really easy to shit on, to use the term bandied about in this thread. Sami Callihan wrestles a similar moves heavy style to Davey in a lot of matches, but you can watch those matches and gather information on who Sami is as a performer/character, so his stuff is more highly regarded. Davey is always this confusing mess, and his reputation suffers because of it.

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See this is what I don't get. People will point out Davey as the reason they stopped watching ROH.. but EVERYONE there does the same crap. London does it when he comes in. Cole and those "MMA" guys do it on down the line..  It's not a Davey problem more than it is an indy problem and it starts with the fans and those who came before them beginning in the 80's..

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SURPRISING WWE NXT RELEASE
By Mike Johnson on 2013-11-09 00:07:43
WWE released NXT star Kassius Ohno, aka Chris Hero, who has worked in main event level positions for Ring of Honor, Pro Wrestling NOAH, CHIKARA, IWA Mid-South and CZW, among other promotions all over the world, PWInsider.com has confirmed.

According to multiple sources, Ohno was released by WWE officials while waiting to begin training Friday morning at the Performance Center.

Ohno had just returned to WWE NXT after being held off of TV for some time. What will turn out to be his final appearance, a loss to The Wyatt Family's Luke Harper, aired this past Wednesday on NXT. He had been signed to WWE developmental in 2012.

Ohno, a Dayton, Ohio native, broke into the business in 1998 and was trained by a slew of excellent trainers, including Les Thatcher and Dory Funk Jr.

Similar to the career path that Daniel Bryan took, he traveled the world, most notable Germany, England and Australia, learning all sorts of different styles and adding them to his in-ring repertoire. I've always likened him to a young Barry Windham because of his tall frame and working ability.

Like a lot of other independent stars of the early 2000s, Hero made his name with a lot of travel, not just internationally but all over the United States, driving with a crew that included Antonio Cesaro (then Claudio Castagnoli) and the late Larry Sweeney, among others, and worked pretty much everywhere. He clicked in just about every major independent promotion of the era.

Hero originally built his name in Ian Rotten's IWA Mid-South, where he ended up having a great feud with CM Punk (as recounted on Punk's Best in the World DVD documentary) as well as a long run in CHIKARA, where he was a top name there as well as one half of the Kings of Wrestling tag team with Cesaro.

He soon made his way to CZW, where he worked as a top heel there and began working regularly for Pro Wrestling Guerrilla in California as well.

The one promotion Hero wasn't getting booked for was Ring of Honor, which was considered the top independent promotion in the landscape, so when he showed up as a mystery opponent representing CZW against then-ROH champion Bryan Danielson (aka Daniel Bryan), it was a huge, legitimate shock for that audience and helped kick off a CZW vs. ROH feud that drew great numbers for ROH as well as an audience that was as legitimately split down the middle as a New York Giants vs. Dallas Cowboys game.

Hero morphed into a regular member of the ROH roster, capturing their Tag belts with Cesaro, who he held a number of other tag straps with. He began training and wrestling for Pro Wrestling NOAH in Japan and did well there, including having the mate Mitsuharu Misawa "gift him" the roaring elbow, which Hero used even in WWE as a finish.

When Hero was signed in 2012, it seemed like just a matter of time before he joined Punk, Bryan and others on the main roster, but for some reason - whether it be politics or mistakes made, he never made it to the main roster. I don't even believe he was sent on the road for dark matches, which boggled my mind. His work in the ring was good. He had obviously, based on his last TV appearances, worked on his physique. He had a decent speaking ability and his charisma always sort of reminded me a quiet version of a young Mick Foley. As a heel, he portrayed a great d***. He knew all sorts of different styles and honestly, should have been training the talents he was instead training with in the Performance Center. All the elements were there, except, apparently, WWE didn't see it, so he begins a new chapter in his career, returning to the independents.

Note from Mike: This release will go down, to me, as one of those moments in history where you wonder what the hell went wrong, and how WWE couldn't see the potential in someone just about every independent promotion in the world will be scrambling to book once they read this. This is absolutely going to be a case where this, long term, will be WWE's loss.

 

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I don't see how it will be "WWE's loss" it's like the AJ Styles deal; for everything Hero is reputed to be good at WWE has people on the main roster that already do it just as well or better. I've never gotten the hype with Chris Hero and to be honest if he hadn't gotten brought up to just work dark matches at the very least by now he was probably never going to be called up. In hindsight him not making it up to the main roster when they brought in The Shield is probably pretty telling with regards to how they felt about him.

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That notes from Mike blurb was the same shit that was said about Colt, and not a single shit was given. I mean, don't get me wrong, it sucks, but in the grand scheme of things, it isn't going to matter all that much.

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While I think they could have used Hero on the main roster, I don't think this is some massive, wasted opportunity. He doesn't really bring anything to the table that they can't get from anyone else on the roster. I'd be more upset if they got rid of Rusev.

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