cwoy2j Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 18 hours ago, mattdangerously said: I've been watching a lot of 2001/2002 OVW lately. Towards the end of 2001, Brock Lesnar gets written out after the Disciples of Synn throw a fireball in his face. His tag partner, Shelton Benjamin, goes after the Disciples for revenge by dressing in all black, putting on a leather trench coat, and attacking them with a pool cue. You guys... he's doing Hardbody Harrison's "Stang" idea. All that's missing was for him to take a magic crystal that belonged to Synn, get into a helicopter and throw it into a vat of piranhas on ppv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) I mean, Shelton Benjamin doing Hardbody Harrison's "Stang" gimmick is a much better option that Hardbody Harrison doing Hardbody Harrison's "Stang" gimmick, so.... I wonder how many gimmicks that wrestlers pitch for themselves get given to other wrestlers. Brodus Clay claims he pitched Mark Henry's Hall of Pain gimmick for himself (Vince had Henry use it instead, obviously). Edited November 9, 2020 by Eoae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 What gimmicks. What a pairing. What a name. Paul. Bearer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Casey said: I think Cardona is mainly waiting on the indies to open back up fully instead of just a handful. Major WF Pod makes decent to good money from merch, Patreon, their live podcast shows and sponsors too I'd imagine. Plus, Chelsea just had COVID not too long ago apparently, so there's that. Also let's not forget that the pandemic forced AEW to wait on the development of the second TV show, they've only got so much airtime as it stands. I'm sure Cardona's price is too high to warrant them paying him to work Dark or sit in the crowd every time he's not booked on Dynamite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 WWE released Tony Chimel, and ten to fifteen others. Apparently all the furloughed people who were involved in producing untelevised house shows are now gone. In other news, today Brandon Thurston released a Wrestlenomics article about how WWE's Saudi deal means that one Saudi show generates as much revenue as 3 Wrestlemanias and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) They let go staff who did all the logistics and Derek Casselman...the director of Venue Merchandise, Remote Operations for WWE, who had been there since 1993. Looking like there won't be any Raw/SD houses shows at all for America in the foreseeable future instead of just doing few. So even more money will be saved. Edited November 9, 2020 by D.Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Tony Chimel!? Fuck this company. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Seems like US wrestling is a bit at a crossroads where financially, they really don't need to tour as much anymore to make money. TV money makes them profitable and touring costs somewhat bite into that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, nofuture said: Seems like US wrestling is a bit at a crossroads where financially, they really don't need to tour as much anymore to make money. TV money makes them profitable and touring costs somewhat bite into that. I had wondered if the loss of house show merch would hurt them/prevent them from ever really moving away from house shows, but it seems that online orders picked up the slack in the last quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, AxB said: WWE released Tony Chimel, and ten to fifteen others. Apparently all the furloughed people who were involved in producing untelevised house shows are now gone. In other news, today Brandon Thurston released a Wrestlenomics article about how WWE's Saudi deal means that one Saudi show generates as much revenue as 3 Wrestlemanias and so on. It seems like every few days something comes out that reinforces my decision to stop supporting this garbage-ass company back in January of 2017. Andrew Yang gunning for them next year would be a welcome and amazing reversal of fortune. Edited November 9, 2020 by Technico Support 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 So you're angry about them deciding to release people whose jobs were specifically house show based, the things they aren't doing right now and may not do again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Eoae said: I mean, Shelton Benjamin doing Hardbody Harrison's "Stang" gimmick is a much better option that Hardbody Harrison doing Hardbody Harrison's "Stang" gimmick, so.... I wonder how many gimmicks that wrestlers pitch for themselves get given to other wrestlers. Brodus Clay claims he pitched Mark Henry's Hall of Pain gimmick for himself (Vince had Henry use it instead, obviously). Apparently Scott Diamore (of Impact/TNA) approached the WWF with the idea of The Goon, and they used his idea with another wrestler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 https://wrestlenomics.com/2020/11/09/how-we-know-wwe-gets-paid-about-50-million-by-the-kingdom-of-saudi-arabia-for-each-event/ The article I was referencing earlier. WWE has made more from the five Saudi shows so far, than they have from every Mania combined. It almost excuses them doing that deal. Almost, but nowhere near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, Eivion said: So you're angry about them deciding to release people whose jobs were specifically house show based, the things they aren't doing right now and may not do again? Yes, because they're making enough money that they can afford to at least try to find other roles for them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, mattdangerously said: Yes, because they're making enough money that they can afford to at least try to find other roles for them. And if there were none? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Eivion said: And if there were none? They can't find things for a dozen or so people to do? Really? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, mattdangerously said: They can't find things for a dozen or so people to do? Really? During a pandemic when the amount of people they are trying to use onsite is probably limited? What roles are they suitable for that aren't likely already occupied? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) Its shitty to can somebody who busted their ass for you for 30+ years, because you have nothing for them to do. Same with Chioda, the best ref WWF/E ever had. Edited November 10, 2020 by PetrolCB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 They fired people at the height of the pandemic just to boost their stock numbers. They made enough money in one quarter to pay every single person they fired for years. Have some empathy. If your company treated you like that, you’d be fine with it? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarrie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Eivion said: And if there were none? Then you have to wonder why they hired such useless people in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Their whole traveling infrastructure has been rendered useless now that they've set up residency in Orlando for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, PetrolCB said: Its shitty to can somebody who busted their ass for you for 30+ years, because you have nothing for them to do. Same with Chioda, the best ref WWF/E ever had. Its business. When you no longer have a role you tend to be let go. Its a shitty situation, but I don't necessarily think its shitty of a company for releasing you. 16 minutes ago, Technico Support said: They fired people at the height of the pandemic just to boost their stock numbers. They made enough money in one quarter to pay every single person they fired for years. Have some empathy. If your company treated you like that, you’d be fine with it? Empathy is fine, but I also realistically have no expectation of a company to continue paying people who aren't actively working. That no matter how much money they make is a ridiculous ask outside of sickness, injury, retirement funds, etc. They are a business. Its not their job to support people for life. Its a give and take relationship. Edited November 10, 2020 by Eivion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Eivion said: During a pandemic when the amount of people they are trying to use onsite is probably limited? What roles are they suitable for that aren't likely already occupied? How am I supposed to answer that? Do you have access to everyone's resumes? Because I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 The business is changing, and we are entering an era of new different money streams. It will be interesting. However, I believe that true pro wrestling has to do with emotional resonance, a bonding with the sport, workers and company by becoming emotionally involved as a fan. The best way to do this, as my aged eyes see it, is via live events. That is where the magic happens, if you will. The socialization, the communion, the power of the moment, the immediacy and the crowd is was makes memories. Kids going to an event with their parents and/or friends, adults bonding over this shared experience, and the power of a wrestler making you feel something right there - TV/streaming/DVD/YouTube/etc is secondary to this. TV is a cold medium, no substitute for the live experience. Going to a card is what makes lifelong fans, be it a TV taping, indy show in a gym or bar, or a Starrcade. Yeah, yeah, the COVIDs, the Saudi petroblooddollars, the costs - all I know is what worked before. I don't know from stocks and investors but I have been to plenty of rasslin shows and there isn't one that would have been more memorable on tape or PPV than it was for me live. - RAF "I'd rather be in the bleachers than on my couch, dammit" 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Eivion said: Its business. When you no longer have a role you tend to be let go. Its a shitty situation, but I don't necessarily think its shitty of a company for releasing you. Empathy is fine, but I also realistically have no expectation of a company to continue paying people who aren't actively working. That no matter how much money they make is a ridiculous ask outside of sickness, injury, retirement funds, etc. They are a business. Its not their job to support people for life. Its a give and take relationship. Plus, as a publicly traded company, they’d likely get sued for breach of their fiduciary duties if they kept people on the payroll they had no intention of using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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