Vgmastr Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Mister TV said: In 1988 they did co-captains and the Andre-Dino Bravo team was bad ass, those two along with Perfect, Race and Rude. I guess the Jake-Duggan team had the auto-draft on for the late round picks since they ended up with over the hill Ken Patera and jobber Scott Casey to go along with the always dependable Tito Santana. Scott Casey was actually a replacement for a replacement. JYD was originally supposed to be on the team but left the company. Muraco also left the company and was supposed to be on Warrior's team. The recently split up and turned enhancement Killer Bees were tapped as the replacements. Brunzell went to Warrior's team and Blair was supposed to be on Jake's, however, he quit the company over the Bees getting split up, so Casey got put into the match. Brunzell stayed with the WWF until 1993, but this was his last PPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 He was under WWE contract for five years and didn't work a single PPV? Not even a Rumble or Survivor Series when everyone was booked? Is he the OG JTG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, Vgmastr said: Scott Casey was actually a replacement for a replacement. JYD was originally supposed to be on the team but left the company. Muraco also left the company and was supposed to be on Warrior's team. The recently split up and turned enhancement Killer Bees were tapped as the replacements. Brunzell went to Warrior's team and Blair was supposed to be on Jake's, however, he quit the company over the Bees getting split up, so Casey got put into the match. Brunzell stayed with the WWF until 1993, but this was his last PPV. Yeah, Muraco on Warrior's team would have made the team a little bit more formidable in my eyes, with only Sam Houston as a questionable pick (but there to combat Danny Davis, so it made some sense). As much as I thought Blue Blazer was absolutely awesome, it still ended up looking like Warrior and Beefcake picked a team of jobbers. JYD on Jake & Duggan's team would have made the team look way more credible, but they were always going to be overmatched. Patera was on his last legs, but was there to combat the strength of Dino Bravo, but he ended up going out first (even worse than first for his team in '87) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarrie Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Mister TV said: In 1988 they did co-captains and the Andre-Dino Bravo team was bad ass, those two along with Perfect, Race and Rude. I guess the Jake-Duggan team had the auto-draft on for the late round picks since they ended up with over the hill Ken Patera and jobber Scott Casey to go along with the always dependable Tito Santana. Wait, how did Dino Bravo wind up as a co-captain on a team with Perfect, Race, and Rude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, tbarrie said: Wait, how did Dino Bravo wind up as a co-captain on a team with Perfect, Race, and Rude? He was actually the most pushed guy along with Andre at that point, in a big feud with Duggan, another co-captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister TV Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) They really missed the boat by not doing some sort of segment where the captains and in 1988 co-captains picked their teams. They could have built a little bit of tension with Savage and Hogan with Macho not being that excited with Hogan wanting Hillbilly Jim on the team and Hogan not happy that Savage pushed for Koko B. Ware. Edited November 3, 2020 by Mister TV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Truth's a treasure. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Truth's a treasure. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mister TV said: They really missed the boat by not doing some sort of segment where the captains and in 1988 co-captains picked their teams. They could have built a little bit of tension with Savage and Hogan with Macho not being that excited with Hogan wanting Hillbilly Jim on the team and Hogan not happy that Savage pushed for Koko B. Ware. Oh, this would have been so good! "Who the fuck picked Scott Casey, tough guy? HOOOOO!!!!" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, Mister TV said: They really missed the boat by not doing some sort of segment where the captains and in 1988 co-captains picked their teams. They could have built a little bit of tension with Savage and Hogan with Macho not being that excited with Hogan wanting Hillbilly Jim on the team and Hogan not happy that Savage pushed for Koko B. Ware. I see what you did there. 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Jake as a team member as opposed to the team captain seems to be a better choice, as every team he just part-took in, instead of leading, actually won their match, even if/when Jake didn't survive('87, '89 and '96). When he was the captain, however his team took an absolute shit-kicking and he had to be there at the end of it, facing increasingly shitty odds ('88 and '90)! Duggan seems to have similar trajectory, but I'm not quite sure whether or not he or Slaughter was the captain in '91, where their team kicked absolute ass on the heel team? Duggan was a bit untrustworthy member, because he was often swinging the 2x4 and getting disqualified! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vgmastr Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, AxB said: He was under WWE contract for five years and didn't work a single PPV? Not even a Rumble or Survivor Series when everyone was booked? Is he the OG JTG? Same thing happened to Jim Powers. Young Stallions were broken up and turned into enhancement talent after this PPV. Roma got a reprieve and a second chance at PPVs in 1990 with Power and Glory, but Powers stayed with the company until 1994. Just like Brunzell his last PPV was the '88 Survivor Series. Edited November 3, 2020 by Vgmastr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Vgmastr said: Same thing happened to Jim Powers. Young Stallions were broken up and turned into enhancement talent after this PPV. Roma got a reprieve and a second chance at PPVs in 1990 with Power and Glory, but Powers stayed with the company until 1994. Just like Brunzell his last PPV was the '88 Survivor Series. It would have been nice, if Powers and Brunzell teamed up at some point during this time and put over some new tag teams on TV. If that would have happened during Survivor Series season, the announcers could have reminded of the viewers of their upset win in '87 ( not that they did bring up such stuff at the time, but hypothetically, still cool)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Vgmastr said: Same thing happened to Jim Powers. Young Stallions were broken up and turned into enhancement talent after this PPV. Roma got a reprieve and a second chance at PPVs in 1990 with Power and Glory, but Powers stayed with the company until 1993. Just like Brunzell his last PPV was the '88 Survivor Series. I dont get why Young Stallions were broken up. They were good! Jim Powers being relegated to JTTS status still baffles me considering the look he had. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Who would have thought that this would end up being one of WWE's more successful and profitable gimmicks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Meanie Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Especially since everyone hated it and deemed it DOA at the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarrie Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Shartnado said: He was actually the most pushed guy along with Andre at that point, in a big feud with Duggan, another co-captain. Okay, but that just pushes the question back one step. Why was Dino Bravo being pushed harder than Perfect, Race, or Rude? (And I say this as someone who sort of likes Dino Bravo...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Want to dig into the ECW supershows on the Network. What do people recommend? It's tricky because a lot of those shows were repurposed for Hardcore TV so a lot I've seen but never watched any of the full shows as is. I was thinking Double Tables and Tag Wars. Edited November 3, 2020 by Hagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, tbarrie said: Okay, but that just pushes the question back one step. Why was Dino Bravo being pushed harder than Perfect, Race, or Rude? (And I say this as someone who sort of likes Dino Bravo...) Yeah, I've got nothing! Well, Hennig was still new to the scene, Harley had just returned from his surgery and has not been around for a bit and Rude's feud with Roberts had been blown off and Jake moved on to Andre and Rude was kinda spinning wheels before the Warrior feud. So, those are some explanations that I came up with. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister TV Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, tbarrie said: Okay, but that just pushes the question back one step. Why was Dino Bravo being pushed harder than Perfect, Race, or Rude? (And I say this as someone who sort of likes Dino Bravo...) Duggan needed someone "foreign" to feud with, even though Glens Falls, NY is closer to Montreal than it is NYC. Also Perfect was still pretty new to the company, Race wasn't even King anymore and Rude was in limbo before the Warrior feud started up at the Royal Rumble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, Shartnado said: Yeah, I've got nothing! Well, Hennig was still new to the scene, Harley had just returned from his surgery and has not been around for a bit and Rude's feud with Roberts had been blown off and Jake moved on to Andre and Rude was kinda spinning wheels before the Warrior feud. So, those are some explanations that I came up with. Hennig was so new he was still in trunks rather than the trademark singlet. He got to pin Jake at the finish after Andre throttled Roberts so there were signs of a upcoming push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, The Natural said: Truth's a treasure. It just dawned on me: Truth vs Yano isn't the dream match we need it's the dream match we deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great ML Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Shartnado said: Jake as a team member as opposed to the team captain seems to be a better choice, as every team he just part-took in, instead of leading, actually won their match, even if/when Jake didn't survive('87, '89 and '96). When he was the captain, however his team took an absolute shit-kicking and he had to be there at the end of it, facing increasingly shitty odds ('88 and '90)! Duggan seems to have similar trajectory, but I'm not quite sure whether or not he or Slaughter was the captain in '91, where their team kicked absolute ass on the heel team? Duggan was a bit untrustworthy member, because he was often swinging the 2x4 and getting disqualified! Jake wasn't a good leader. When other captains would have their teams running drills and doing pushups, Jake had his team snorting coke. Edited November 3, 2020 by The Great ML 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Bravo got surprisingly good pushes back in the late 80's. He never quite got pushed as a top guy but he was a mainstay in the upper midcard, got on tv regularly, and usually got booked fairly well in matches and feuds. Not sure he should have been pushed over Rude, but.... Perfect was new to the company. He had short, unmemorable run in the early 80's, then came back and was put on tv two months before Survivor Series 1988. IIRC, they were doing the Mr. Perfect vignettes by SS, but still billing him as Curt Hennig and he was still wearing the black shorts he wore in the AWA. The singlets and Mr. Perfect persona really didn't get into swing until later. Harley? No... Just, no. I like Harley but his WWF run is just sad to me. I feel like he comes off like a dinosaur in late 80's WWE. Slow, immobile, not a great promo. His look and gravelly voice kinda underscored that the era was changing and guys like Harley weren't going to be tv-ideal. He was in his early 40's when '86 when he joined the company but looked a decade older to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Shartnado said: Jake as a team member as opposed to the team captain seems to be a better choice, as every team he just part-took in, instead of leading, actually won their match, even if/when Jake didn't survive('87, '89 and '96). When he was the captain, however his team took an absolute shit-kicking and he had to be there at the end of it, facing increasingly shitty odds ('88 and '90)! Duggan seems to have similar trajectory, but I'm not quite sure whether or not he or Slaughter was the captain in '91, where their team kicked absolute ass on the heel team? Duggan was a bit untrustworthy member, because he was often swinging the 2x4 and getting disqualified! Jake's "Captain's Curse" also struck the 1991 team he was scheduled to captain but suspended from at the last minute; after losing Boss Man early, Hawk & Animal ran the table against IRS & The Disasters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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