Most Hated Wrestler

[DangerMark]

I feel like HoC has deliberately misrepresented my point enough that all I have to say is this:

30 minutes ago, mattdangerously said:

Oh good, you're a gatekeeper, too. 

How very dare you claim that name, sir. I'd guess that I have been menacing labs with my lack of regard for basic health and safety since before you were born. 

Billy Gunn still sucks and Hulk Hogan is still the Jabroni of the Earth. 

[John from Cincinnati]

1 hour ago, Hustler of Culture said:

CRA is a film versus pro wrestling being a weekly program that has a business model that requires people to pay money to go to watch workers perform.  There's always been the random, one off successes in film that make the film successful.  But when you're trying to operate a successful promotion on a weekly basis it's a different animal.

The Joshi gals aren't drawing well in the US by any standard of time that one can present unless you're drill down to compare it Dennis Corralluzzo running shows at truck stops in Trenton.  If they were drawing well, even by today's standards, then there would be a valid point about Cornette being racist towards Joshi gals.  

I am in the AEW market.  I live 2 hours from their HQ and I'm in the key demo.  I'm the epitome of the person they should concern themselves with appealing to.

Disregarding Crazy Rich Asians as "a film," which is somehow different from "a business model that requires people to pay money to go to watch workers perform" is preposterous on its face. And your willingness to indirectly brush it off as a "one off success" rather than a reflection of an appetite being represented through mArKeT DeMaNd really speaks to your blind spots. If you choose not to consider how it's analogous to the potentially untapped markets out there for wrestling presentations, you're welcome to do so. I find myself losing interest in whatever sadness is happening here.  

You keep insisting that Joshi "gals" aren't drawing well in the US "by any standard." And yet we have smaller ratings than ever for wrestling, in an environment where it's more and more difficult to determine if anyone is really a draw. So you'd deny them representation because... *shrug* 

And not to throw @El Gran Gordi under the bus (and apologies Gordi if I'm misrepresenting you), but if you've been watching puro since before he was born or near there, you probably don't have a lot of time left in the key demo. Once again, plenty of cause for anyone programming things in that company to tell you to go kick rocks. 

Anyway, I'll close this out by addressing a couple points that weren't directed at me but which caught my eye:

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If they were drawing well, even by today's standards, then there would be a valid point about Cornette being racist towards Joshi gals.  

"Discrimination can't be racist if they're not drawing" is one of the more bananas things I've seen on a message board in a while. Congrats for standing out. 

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Nobody ever said you could not have Japenese women on the card. But thee is overkill like everything else in the business.

I'm unclear about which division has engaged in Japanese women "overkill." Were those Riho-Shida and Riho-Sakura PPV matches from a year+ ago really that great an imposition on you? I don't know what you're talking about. 

Edited November 18, 2020 by Andy in Kansas

[AxB]

Quick, someone bring up Black Panther so HoC can tell us it was only successful because LotR fans wanted to see Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis reunited!

[supremebve]

Here's a pretty good racism test. 

Q:  Did someone say, "there are too many *insert any racial group here* around here?" 

A: If yes, they are racist.  

Seriously, he didn't say anything about their work.  His issue is that there are too many Japanese women.  What percentage of any American wrestling company's roster is Japanese women?  Is it over/under 5%?  He thinks that's too much.  Not because they are bad workers, but because they are Japanese.  How many women on any roster actually are legitimate draws?  Bayley and Sasha have been getting bumps in ratings lately.  Charlotte and Becky have been successful as well.  Who else?  Are Asuke, Io Shirai, and Hikaru Shida drawing less than other women?  I doubt it.  Asuka and Kairi Sane were pretty over before Kairi went back to Japan.  I don't know a wrestling fans who have anything bad to say about Io Shirai.  I don't watch enough AEW to have an opinion on Shida, but from what I have seen, she's clearly not the problem in their women's division.  All of these women are more than qualified to be in the positions they occupy.  There is no such thing as too many Japanese women.  That's a completely and totally racist statement.

 

[Technico Support]

I have tried to not engage this new guy as he's really unpleasant and negative and probably won't be here long anyway.  Dude used "drizzling shits" twice in the span of four sentences, called Joshi wrestlers "gals," used the expression "hot as a plate of piss," and "panties in a bunch."  Not really worth getting worked up over, to me, personally.

[EVA]

@supremebveYou’re almost spot on with that 5% number.  Between WWE main roster, NXT, and AEW, there are currently ~60 women active.  That’s not counting people who have been out for various reasons for a while now (Becky, Charlotte, etc.).

Three of them are Japanese.  Throw in Xia Li to make it a grand total of 4 Asian women (because who can tell the difference, amiright???).  So...right about 6%.  Of course, that number would get even smaller if we counted all the inactive wrestlers (including the three AEW Joshi who can’t travel) and the AEW women who haven’t been officially announced as signed but get TV time (Legit Leyla, Red Velvet, KiLynn King, etc).

 

[Hustler of Culture]

2 hours ago, AxB said:

Quick, someone bring up Black Panther so HoC can tell us it was only successful because LotR fans wanted to see Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis reunited!

Quick somebody remind AxB that movies and pro wrestling are two completely different things and there have been numerous financially successful black movies before Black Panther which doesn't matter anyway as again...movies and pro wrestling are two different things.  Might as well compare baseball to East Berlin scat porn.

 

 

 

HoC

[Technico Support]

We had a really in-depth discussion of the problems of the AEW women's division probably last month in the AEW threads.  Any discussion of "too many Japanese women" came purely from the context of "Kenny relied too heavily on imported talent instead of trying to build their own and now they're in trouble because of travel restrictions."  It was never "they got too many Orientals -- one is enough because the fans can't tell the difference anyway."  Regardless, it was a good, smart discussion.  The opposite of whatever this mind-numbing crap is.

To sum up the issues with the division:

1. It was set up to be booked around Kylie Rae, but she pulled out, necessitating a total rebuild.
2. Then it was set to be booked around Baker, but she proved to be a better heel.
3. 1 and 2 caused them to go with a safe bet: talented Joshi workers.
4. Travel restrictions screwed that up.
5. Injuries (Baker, Statlander, maybe I'm missing someone else?)
6. There's not a whole lot of really good US-based female talent available to them right now.  There's no ring general out there that they can snap up.  There are good wrestlers available but they're of the greener variety.
7. They're not giving the women they do have much to do on TV.
8. They are pushing NWA women at the same time, muddying the booking further.

 

 

Edited November 18, 2020 by Technico Support

[RIPPA]

This thread has way outlived its usefulness